Home | Community | Message Board

Kratom Eye
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1
OfflineBigbadwooof
Trumps Bone Spurs
 User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 12/07/13
Posts: 13,418
Last seen: 2 days, 11 hours
Quantized Inertia, and the political ramifications of EMDrive.
    #26442445 - 01/19/20 10:38 PM (4 years, 28 days ago)

Let's talk a bit about Quantized Inertia, and the political ramifications of EMDrive.



I never really liked the idea of Dark Matter, so I'm really crossing my fingers for this Quantized Inertia hypothesis to pan out. When it does, I think the political implications will be quite profound, and positive. For instance, if we develop an EMDrive (Hopefully in the next year), and Donald Trump gets re-elected, I can jetison myself from this cruel hard world, to another galaxy, where I can work as a barback for Mos Eisley.

On the flipside, if DJ Trump doesn't get re-elected, we and strap his ass to a fucking EMDrive exploding rocket and blow that shit to bits as it approaches Bootes void!

Also relevant:




This post is political. Ballz.

Say no to drugs, kids.


--------------------
"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"There is no need for conspiracy where interests converge" - George Carlin
Every one of you should see this video.
"If you bombard the earth with photons for a while, it can emit a roadster" - Andrej Kerpathy


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleballsalsaMDiscord
Universally Loathed and Reviled
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/11/15
Posts: 21,251
Loc: Foreign Lands
Re: Quantized Inertia, and the political ramifications of EMDrive. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #26442464 - 01/19/20 11:02 PM (4 years, 28 days ago)

EMdrive would have all sorts of political ramifications.  Robotic travel within the solar system would be pared down enough to make things like asteroid mining or moon colonies actually viable.  What would happen if a series of mining missions came back to earth over the course of a few years with a load of gold and platinum based metals equal to 300% to current world supply?


--------------------


Like cannabis topics? Read my cannabis blog here


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBigbadwooof
Trumps Bone Spurs
 User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 12/07/13
Posts: 13,418
Last seen: 2 days, 11 hours
Re: Quantized Inertia, and the political ramifications of EMDrive. [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26442489 - 01/19/20 11:38 PM (4 years, 28 days ago)

Quote:

ballsalsa said:
EMdrive would have all sorts of political ramifications.  Robotic travel within the solar system would be pared down enough to make things like asteroid mining or moon colonies actually viable.  What would happen if a series of mining missions came back to earth over the course of a few years with a load of gold and platinum based metals equal to 300% to current world supply?




There is enough steal in the asteroid belt to cover the entire surface of the planet Earth with skyscrapers the size of the sears tower. The economic benefit of asteroid mining is many trillions of dollars.

Did you watch the video about quantized inertia though? I found it quite interesting. I was looking for alternative hypothesis to dark matter, and that's what I found. I like that Joe Scott guy's videos a lot too.

You should watch the second video too... It gives some perspective about life in the universe, beyond planet earth.


--------------------
"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"There is no need for conspiracy where interests converge" - George Carlin
Every one of you should see this video.
"If you bombard the earth with photons for a while, it can emit a roadster" - Andrej Kerpathy


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleballsalsaMDiscord
Universally Loathed and Reviled
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/11/15
Posts: 21,251
Loc: Foreign Lands
Re: Quantized Inertia, and the political ramifications of EMDrive. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #26442499 - 01/19/20 11:58 PM (4 years, 28 days ago)

I'll give it a look.  I was reading the other day about some LIGO measurements indicating a merger of either unheard of huge neutron stars or never before seen small black holes.  If it was the black holes, apparently there could be enough similar black holes lurking about, unseen, to account for the "missing" mass in galaxies that necessitates dark matter


--------------------


Like cannabis topics? Read my cannabis blog here


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBigbadwooof
Trumps Bone Spurs
 User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 12/07/13
Posts: 13,418
Last seen: 2 days, 11 hours
Re: Quantized Inertia, and the political ramifications of EMDrive. [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26443394 - 01/20/20 03:53 PM (4 years, 27 days ago)

Quote:

ballsalsa said:
I'll give it a look.  I was reading the other day about some LIGO measurements indicating a merger of either unheard of huge neutron stars or never before seen small black holes.  If it was the black holes, apparently there could be enough similar black holes lurking about, unseen, to account for the "missing" mass in galaxies that necessitates dark matter




I've heard similar speculations. I wonder what would account for the assymetrical clumping of, or increased incidence of those little black holes, particularly around galaxies. I think the guy that came up with Quantized Inertia (Mike McCulloch) has been discredited for suggesting that photons might have mass. I don't understand why the scientific community is so rabbid against ideas like this. I suppose it's the buffer between science and quackery. Photons are strange. They are wave-particles. Maybe we don't fully understand them. Well, Im certain we dont.

McCulloch was given a grant by the US department of defense, to further his research. It was only a measly $1.4 million, I believe, though. There are a lot of presuppositions that are very difficult to test, in order to prove his theory, and as far as I am aware, it has yet to be proven mathematically.

Anyways... I was just drunk youtubing, and wanted to share this idea with you folks. It seems interesting to me, anyway.


--------------------
"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"There is no need for conspiracy where interests converge" - George Carlin
Every one of you should see this video.
"If you bombard the earth with photons for a while, it can emit a roadster" - Andrej Kerpathy


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinechristopera
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/13/17
Posts: 14,270
Last seen: 5 hours, 51 minutes
Re: Quantized Inertia, and the political ramifications of EMDrive. [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #26443448 - 01/20/20 04:33 PM (4 years, 27 days ago)

In the pub somebody proposed that photons must have mass if they are bent by gravity. As we can see light bend due to massive objects.

An interesting theory, but perhaps a little too simplistic, since we know that electromagnetic force is a thing. We also know that space time slows the faster we travel, so in reality, we are already traveling through time every time we travel via vehicle. That said, I think EM drive is pretty much useless. I think material sciences will deliver us extremely large solar sails eventually, and that will be our preferred method of space travel. We may even  rediscover methods of slot gap sail technology that will allow for awesome forward speeds and great directional control. Presumably this will be a slight departure from traditional particle dynamics.


--------------------
Enjoy the process of your search without succumbing to the pressure of the result.

A Dorito is pizza, change my mind.

Bank and Union with The Shroomery at the Zuul on The internet - now with %'s and things

I’m sorry it had to be me.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBigbadwooof
Trumps Bone Spurs
 User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 12/07/13
Posts: 13,418
Last seen: 2 days, 11 hours
Re: Quantized Inertia, and the political ramifications of EMDrive. [Re: christopera]
    #26443758 - 01/20/20 07:39 PM (4 years, 27 days ago)

Quote:

christopera said:
In the pub somebody proposed that photons must have mass if they are bent by gravity. As we can see light bend due to massive objects.




That is interesting. It hadn't occurred to me. I sometimes wonder if physicists get so bogged down trying to prove things like string theory, and dark matter, that they miss simple solutions to problems, but I also feel that this cannot be the case.

Quote:

An interesting theory, but perhaps a little too simplistic, since we know that electromagnetic force is a thing.




Electromagnetic force wouldn't impact photons though, because they don't have a polarity. It seems to me, they would need mass to have a polarity, and be affected by either of these forces.

Quote:

We also know that space time slows the faster we travel, so in reality, we are already traveling through time every time we travel via vehicle. That said, I think EM drive is pretty much useless.




EMDrive could propel a person through space faster than the speed of light, potentially. Solar sails wouldn't ever be capable of approaching those speeds. It wouldn't be useless, but I am quite skeptical if it is possible. The department of defense doesn't seem to think it's a useless endeavor to pursue, but they've done a lot of things that I think are stupid. NASA seems to think EMDrives would be quite useful.

Quote:

I think material sciences will deliver us extremely large solar sails eventually, and that will be our preferred method of space travel. We may even  rediscover methods of slot gap sail technology that will allow for awesome forward speeds and great directional control. Presumably this will be a slight departure from traditional particle dynamics.




What is slot gap sail technology? Is that when you shine a laser beam at the sail from a fixed point, to give it more energy?

As the climate continues to shift, and the most powerful political bodies in the world fail to address that issue, it is important that we find a means of fleeing the planet. This is very politically relevant :wink:


--------------------
"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"There is no need for conspiracy where interests converge" - George Carlin
Every one of you should see this video.
"If you bombard the earth with photons for a while, it can emit a roadster" - Andrej Kerpathy


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinechristopera
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/13/17
Posts: 14,270
Last seen: 5 hours, 51 minutes
Re: Quantized Inertia, and the political ramifications of EMDrive. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #26444356 - 01/21/20 06:34 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

The EM drive, the last I  heard, was making pretty shit thrust compared to other options. Maybe that has changed?

Slot gaps are an aerodynamic aids, they are used to keep air attached to wings, but also are vital for sails (which are actually just vertical wings). In fact, they allow sails to push boats to speeds faster than the wind is moving, they also allow sails to operate moving into the wind, and perpendicular to the wind. Hence why I said they could be used with light, which is really a collection of particles much like the air, and potentially be used to travel faster than light and actually guide direction much like a sailboat on the water. The big issue with these sort of parachute shapes solar sails that are generally proposed is that they would still rely on traditional thrust type direction change, orbital mechanics, and orbital assist, etc.. And that's still extremely primitive, especially over great distances.

Photons are electromagnet energy, and they carry energy in the photon packet. I think we will revise what the photon packet is in the future, as we have a fairly rudimentary understanding of how it operates.


--------------------
Enjoy the process of your search without succumbing to the pressure of the result.

A Dorito is pizza, change my mind.

Bank and Union with The Shroomery at the Zuul on The internet - now with %'s and things

I’m sorry it had to be me.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBigbadwooof
Trumps Bone Spurs
 User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 12/07/13
Posts: 13,418
Last seen: 2 days, 11 hours
Re: Quantized Inertia, and the political ramifications of EMDrive. [Re: christopera]
    #26444447 - 01/21/20 08:33 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Interesting. That sounds good, on it's face, with one fairly crucial caveat. Wind is the medium, through which a boat sail is traveling. The same can't be said of light, for the solar sail. If a solar sail were traveling faster than the speed of light, it would outrun it's energy source, which is light. Therefore, it could only travel as fast as light, and that's only if there were no form of resistance, whatsoever. Maybe I'm not understanding the concept completely.

I wills say though, I am mistaken about the EMDrive. I thought it was just another term for the Alcubierre drive. I guess I don't know shit about the EMDrive, but I'd be happy to strap Trump's happy ass to a light sail and send him off to a Jupiter-like planet, in a distant galaxy.


--------------------
"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"There is no need for conspiracy where interests converge" - George Carlin
Every one of you should see this video.
"If you bombard the earth with photons for a while, it can emit a roadster" - Andrej Kerpathy


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleballsalsaMDiscord
Universally Loathed and Reviled
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/11/15
Posts: 21,251
Loc: Foreign Lands
Re: Quantized Inertia, and the political ramifications of EMDrive. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #26444471 - 01/21/20 09:00 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Emdrive would be dope if it works.  The lack of propellent allows for extended periods of acceleration which in turn allow for the achievement of relativistic speeds.  It isnt faster than light but even on solar system scale you could reach mars in a week or the moon in a few hours, etc.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBigbadwooof
Trumps Bone Spurs
 User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 12/07/13
Posts: 13,418
Last seen: 2 days, 11 hours
Re: Quantized Inertia, and the political ramifications of EMDrive. [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26444476 - 01/21/20 09:03 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Quote:

ballsalsa said:
Emdrive would be dope if it works.  The lack of propellent allows for extended periods of acceleration which in turn allow for the achievement of relativistic speeds.  It isnt faster than light but even on solar system scale you could reach mars in a week or the moon in a few hours, etc.




I have to read up on EMDrive now. I could have sworn that was synonymous with Alcubierre Drive.


--------------------
"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"There is no need for conspiracy where interests converge" - George Carlin
Every one of you should see this video.
"If you bombard the earth with photons for a while, it can emit a roadster" - Andrej Kerpathy


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinechristopera
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/13/17
Posts: 14,270
Last seen: 5 hours, 51 minutes
Re: Quantized Inertia, and the political ramifications of EMDrive. [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #26444489 - 01/21/20 09:13 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

You would have to manipulate the light through a slot gap to gain the same sort of thrust you do by manipulating air though a slot gap. It might require some sort of gravitational lensing, I don't know, but the similarities are there.

I have seen the Alcubierre drive mentioned around, I checked it out more in depth now. Pretty cool!

Science is fun, space travel is interesting, at least we get to watch SpaceX do its thing. We will probably be long dead before any of the really neat stuff happens.


--------------------
Enjoy the process of your search without succumbing to the pressure of the result.

A Dorito is pizza, change my mind.

Bank and Union with The Shroomery at the Zuul on The internet - now with %'s and things

I’m sorry it had to be me.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBigbadwooof
Trumps Bone Spurs
 User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 12/07/13
Posts: 13,418
Last seen: 2 days, 11 hours
Re: Quantized Inertia, and the political ramifications of EMDrive. [Re: christopera] * 1
    #26444530 - 01/21/20 09:41 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

I wish our government would invest the kind of money in NASA, and science, that they do in the military. Being scientifically advanced would provide far more security (Both militarily, and economically) than an overinflated military ever could. I know that a lot of the military budget is spent on science, but a lot of it is just pure waste, in my mind.

Then again, I'm afraid of what the government would do with that power. We have a long way to go, culturally.


--------------------
"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"There is no need for conspiracy where interests converge" - George Carlin
Every one of you should see this video.
"If you bombard the earth with photons for a while, it can emit a roadster" - Andrej Kerpathy


Edited by Bigbadwooof (01/21/20 09:42 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1

Shop: Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Have psychedelics changed your political views?
( 1 2 3 all )
silversoul7 5,499 48 11/05/05 02:34 AM
by MikeOLogical
* gonzales vs UDV (ayahuasca) ramifications... Annapurna1 508 4 10/04/05 02:35 PM
by yousuck
* A List of the Many Political Parties lonestar2004 1,209 0 08/25/05 01:57 PM
by lonestar2004
* Objective Political Opinion
( 1 2 3 4 all )
sirbojangles 3,699 69 09/20/08 01:02 PM
by Poid
* The role of religion in modern politics
( 1 2 all )
SeussA 2,016 30 11/13/09 01:32 PM
by zappaisgod
* politics is all bullshit!!!!!! Lightningfractal 830 15 08/11/04 08:36 PM
by Lightningfractal
* Playboy, Ayn Rand, & Politics SkorpivoMusterion 851 3 09/22/09 08:23 AM
by fireworks_god
* Here Today, Gone Tomorrow: Politicals Parties Redstorm 637 1 10/28/05 12:29 PM
by kotik

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Enlil, ballsalsa
317 topic views. 0 members, 3 guests and 2 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.025 seconds spending 0.004 seconds on 12 queries.