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Re: Bunch ~O~ Random Questions HELP! [Re: MrBovineJoni]
    #26446739 - 01/22/20 04:37 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

You could just goggle yes or no questions. If you don't want advice or opinions don't ask


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Re: Bunch ~O~ Random Questions HELP! [Re: Bph]
    #26481225 - 02/11/20 11:25 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

OK so check this out guys. For one.. I am NOT at all knocking the sound advice I got from a lot of the people here. And no I am NOT a damn troll lol Look.. I am intending to build this project if I am able to pull funds together. Two things first here. To the person who said it would NOT be a SAB.. you are correct. Technically speaking.. it would no longer  be a SAB cause yes the air is constantly moving. And secondly.. knowing now that UV-C will harm the mushrooms and all that, and since it has been some time since I first made this post.. I have since revised my design. Yall dont need to be a dick about it ya know? I was just asking a question.
What I intend to do now is have the box, around 4 to 4 and a half foot wide, strong and thick plexiglass door that is roughly the full length of the box itself. It will have two arm length gloves that enter in.. and are bonded to.. the front plexi glass door. There will be a HEPA directly in the back facing me. From there, there will be 2 to 4 holes (probably 4) of presently unknown diamiter that will go on both sides of the front of the box.. shooting the dirty air out the front sides of the box. I wanna have two strong enough UV-C lights up top on their own switch (Switch will be outside the box of course). I will also have a couple of regular fleuroescents inside the box right next to the UV-C lights, also on their own switch. The box itself will be made of wood, however the inner box flooring will be a solid piece of stainless steel. There will be a UV proof blanket type shield that will be rolled up on the top area of the unit.

OK! I think that that just about explains my idea.

Ok so now.. imagine for a moment. You purchased some bags of rye berry with the injection port and filter on the bags, lets say for sake of argument that you bought these (Yes I know you can just do it yourself, it is JUST an example!).. and you have a total of 6 bags. You open the latched plexiglass door, and it is on a hinged setup, the large plexiglass door angles downward.. with the gloves hanging off of it, and you lower it all the way to insert your supplies. You insert all of your tools, blades, torch, unused pitre dishes, rubbing alcohol, paper towels, AND.. anything else you think you need.. and also dont forget.. your 6 bags of already ready to go pre-sterilized grain.
You put all this stuff in the box, and then once the door is sealed shut with its tight latching system.. you reach up top and roll down the UV blanket to shield yourself from the next coming step. Now that you are completely shielded.. you turn the switch on for the UV-C lighting, and keep it on for whatever time you designate. I would do it for a minimum of 20 minutes.
After the 20 minutes are up, I hit the UV light switch to turn off the UV lights. I roll the UV blanket back up to its proper spot where it is now out the way. Now.. all surfaces that were hit with the light.. which because of the power of the lights installed, and also cause of the giant shiny stainless steel plate on the bottom.. UV light is cast EVERYWHERE.. and because of that.. whatever was alive.. is now dead.
I now hit the switch for the fleuroescents to turn them on and illuminate the inside box. Last but not least.. I reach up top to turn on the HEPA flow hood that is in the inside of the very rear of the box. It is now blowing clean air towards me, and it is blowing any and all air that MIGHT be dirty (Since we already killed everything with the UV lights in the air and on whatever surfaces) out of the holes on the front sides of the box.

You/me/whoever is using this in this story.. can now slide your arms through the special chemical class gloves that fully extend up to the elbow, and can work in a sterile enviroment.

NOW.. to the haters!

Look guys.. I know ok? I know.
I know you look at me and my idea as a waste. But really.. I do not want ANYYY contam. And with the setup I am wanting to create.. this is an almost 100% sealed enviroment, quite possibly to become an ACTUAL 100% fully sealed enviroment. From that box into the grow area/mini room that I intend to build with it. Long story short.. I am willing to fork out the extra few bucks if they come my way (I am waiting on a big chek), and IF I can do it with the idea I just typed out for you.. it would be.. logically.. much MUCH MORE of a sterile enviroment to work in compared to a SAB or basic FH type setup. And no.. NO.. stuff would NOT be flying everywhere inside there lol I can't believe that was even said. That sounds retarded lol With of course the exception of the paper towels.. that you can easily just use something like a paperweight type thing or something so they wont fly around? Use your imagination.. shouldnt be THAT hard to figure out really now lol

So lastly..
Could I use just a SAB and be clean? Perhaps. But there is still a much larger chance of contam compared to my hybrid idea.. and even to the next step up from a SAB.. a HEPA flowhood.
Could I just use a Flowhood and work over a clean surface?
Sure I could.. and it is much much better than the SAB. HOWEVERRR.. it also.. is yet again.. NOT as good.. or anywhere as sterile of an enviroment as my hybrid idea. Example.. "Oh shit I got contams cause I didnt work everrrr so perfectly close enough to my flowhood". Or.. "Oh shit I got contams cause I didnt open my blades package towards the damn flowhood! Now I did all of this for nothing!".

I ask you all this one question.. WHY.. why take the risk of contams.. and putting in ALL that work.. when.. you don't have to?

Does my idea need some tweaking to be perfectly effeciante for what it is truly capable of doing? I am sure it does. Like I said prior.. I have already tweaked the idea of working UNDER the UV light, to where now I have the UV blanket that rolls down the front from the top of the box, and shields all the possible exposure inside while everything is sterilized from the lights. Now the idea is to use them as sort of a extra icing on the cake type thing.. aka..  or a type of precursor to the HEPA flowhood that you would be working in to add that extra level of sterility.

Do any of you understand where I am coming from now?
Pleaseee tell me someone gets where I am coming from.

~Kitestorm~


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Re: Bunch ~O~ Random Questions HELP! [Re: Kitestormrising]
    #26481233 - 02/11/20 11:36 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

So have you mastered doing things the standard way before going off on some random adventure into the realm of complexity?

I realize that there are a lot of pictures of contamination on this forum. There is also a lot of people doing shit terribly. You have to realize that many of us do work with relatively simple setups and get contamination at ~1% of the time.

If losing one petri for every hundred drives you over the edge then this may be the wrong hobby.

Look, just go ahead and do it, then show us the supremacy. Until then ideas like this will take a beating.


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Re: Bunch ~O~ Random Questions HELP! [Re: Kitestormrising]
    #26481244 - 02/11/20 11:53 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

:popcorn:

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Kitestormrising said:
sounds retarded




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Re: Bunch ~O~ Random Questions HELP! [Re: mushboy]
    #26481249 - 02/11/20 11:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

mushboy said:
:popcorn:

Quote:

Kitestormrising said:
sounds retarded







:hahathatsfunny:


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Re: Bunch ~O~ Random Questions HELP! [Re: Smartattack]
    #26481251 - 02/12/20 12:00 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Smartattack said:
So have you mastered doing things the standard way before going off on some random adventure into the realm of complexity?

I realize that there are a lot of pictures of contamination on this forum. There is also a lot of people doing shit terribly. You have to realize that many of us do work with relatively simple setups and get contamination at ~1% of the time.

If losing one petri for every hundred drives you over the edge then this may be the wrong hobby.

Look, just go ahead and do it, then show us the supremacy. Until then ideas like this will take a beating.







Very very true. It shall take a beating. But think on this.. how many times in history.. involving many many different type subjects of inventions and discoveries.. did people get knocked left and right for their idea(s)? If it can be done, if this big check would hurry the frik up from my attorneys lol.. then I wanna do it. And.. IF.. I pull it off.. I also intend to show yall the pictures of everything of course, and also I would like to have a comparison of some sort. Like.. how it compares to a FH or SAB as far as contamination goes. Like.. how much better does it do compared to those routes?

To me.. I look at your typical flow hood setup and I see ALL KINDSSS of flaws in the idea. And of course.. even more in the SAB route. But I thought.. why not combine the two? So that way.. for one.. you wouldn't be required to be working ever so perfectlyyy close to the flowhood, everything IN the box.. would be clean.
And then.. with the UV-C lights that you could safely run beforehand to sterilize everything inside.. literally everything that light touches.. including the very air itself.. you wouldn't have much to worry on your surfaces. Especially when you will have these powerful ass lights on for AT LEAST 20 minutes beforehand.. but could easily do longer. And then I am sure you would STILL be using the alcohol on your tools and such anyways. Which.. by the way.. and again.. the box would completely sealed from the outside world. Then.. it would go through a stage of sterilization of the air and surfaces from UV-C radiation, then the box STAYSSS closed as you get to work on.. EVERYTHINGNGG inside the box.. not having to be ever so perfectly close to the flowhood. You wouldnt because..ALL the air inside.. ISSSSS the air from the flowhood!

I dunno man.. I wanna try this out and see how it work. Worst comes to worst.. I can pass this info down to other newcomers like myself and explain to them why it didnt actually turn out great. But I say for myself anyways.. I think it is pretty badass of an idea :smile:

I hail from a long family line of inventors actually. We looked up our very extended family tree years back, and we come from a longggg line of inventors. Me and my dad have invented tons of stuff!
Do you know those computer CPU fans that have the CPU block, then two heatpipes that cross upwards in a DNA strain type style, and then they go up to a point where there is a horizontal grid of heat dissipating aluminum fins, and there is 2 case fans.. one on either side of the fins. One pushes air while the other pulls air out.. have you ever seen that?
I invented that :smile: However.. someone beat me to the patent. So even thought I DID design it manyyy a year ago.. I didn't get it to patent in time. And.. last I checked.. as far as computer CPU heatsink and fan setups go.. that one is either the top of the line, or one of the top of the line. Remember though.. I made that back when liquid cooling was JUSTTTT starting to make its rounds. This is like 15 or so years ago. But yea.. come from a long long line of inventors in my family tree.
I get the idea.. I wanna see if I can.. for one.. do it right and make it look pretty. THEN.. if it works even better than an SAB or FH.. then I can make a youtube video of it.. post it on here and other places, and have one of them up for sale on eBay maybe and see if anyone wants to buy one of them. And.. if they do.. I build one from scratch to order for them and try to make some cash :smile:
Just a thought. Why not ya know?


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Re: Bunch ~O~ Random Questions HELP! [Re: Kitestormrising]
    #26481274 - 02/12/20 12:34 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I don't think it would be a new idea.. it's been done in several different ways with laminar flow cabinets..
It more than likely will work if done correctly.. just not necessary and alot of extra work IMO..

I'd love to see how it goes tho
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Re: Bunch ~O~ Random Questions HELP! [Re: Kitestormrising]
    #26481278 - 02/12/20 12:42 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

How about some uv lights on the backside thay stay running to prefilter the air in the intake?

You know that you will still get contamination right evwn though you took all these extea steps you will have to then open it up to add your spores unless you already have them in and just blocked from the UV(they cant be exposed to UV.
Even then lets say you already have then in and blocked from the UV closed up tight in the foil. You then have to use them and no spore print is sterile. Obviously. But also no spore print is 100% clean. Thats why contam rate success rates can never be 100% because your innoculant will never be completely clean.
So the dream of NO contamination is squashed right there.

Then I have a question for you why not leave the flow on while the UV light are running then just turn the UV lights off and roll ip the blanket before starting whats the point of having it off until yoh start working?

Im with you though lets take this expensive dream of not having to wipe stuff with alcohol first and still have a good success rate a a reality.
Thats the point right with the UV lights you wont have to wipe with alcohol anymore.(I know this step isnt actually necessary and some dont wipe at all.)

Idk man im with you and would like to see it built but I think I just talked myself out of it. I feel like why add rhe extra steps and reatrictions to you're flowhood when its already plenty efficient.
I really want to see the finished product though dont let the haters talk you out of it.

Edit: im not even going to try to fix all my grammatical errors on this damn phone lets all just pretend that they arent there.


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