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Types of high and how to achieve them.
#26442632 - 01/20/20 05:00 AM (4 years, 9 days ago) |
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In the last few months i have experienced a few trips from liberty caps and also cubensis. Each trip was different. Although similar i found that liberty caps give a different high to cubensis. The visuals are different and also i found that i can achieve good visuals with cubensis after just a gram or above of fresh shroom.
Can anyone tell me with Cubensis, if i want a visual clean head high with no body high is there a certain way to do it? Do i eat them before the veil breaks or after? Do i dry them or eat them fresh? Do i need to process them into crystals?
One thing i find is if i have a small amount of alchohol the trip is alot smoother and more relaxing.
What are your thoughts?
Also can anyone explain why if i have a small cut on my hand it feels swollen or infected while i am tripping even though there is nothing wrong with it? Something as trivial as this can spoil a trip for me.
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Re: Types of high and how to achieve them. [Re: mongoosed] 1
#26442651 - 01/20/20 05:42 AM (4 years, 9 days ago) |
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You really can't control the trip how you're wanting to. They're going to do whatever they want to do. Mushrooms body highs are great - why would you not want to!? Lol. I guess if you're talking about body load, that comes from a tad larger doses than smaller.
Fresh mushrooms tend to have more potency IME. Those were a different type of trip than dried. The waves hit much harder.. and the visual field is astonishing on fresh mush fruit/tea. Dont get me wrong though, nothing wrong with dried fruit either. But if I had a choice between fresh & dried - would always choose the fresh.
As for your hand - I would consider it a "set" issue. Subconsciously your mind may be connecting to the thought of your hand and it becomes a conscious thought and then it begins to hurt.. our brains are crazy and we can manifest so much. Espi while we're under an experience. Placebo is real.
While you're sober, if the hand is fine.. don't worry about the weird thought you get during a trip. Our minds love playing tricks on us, espically while mushrooms are coursing through our bodies.
Hard to tell what's real, and what's all in the head at some points.
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Mushrooms contain both, psilocybin and psilocin. Psilocybin needs to be converted to psilocin in out gut, as only psilocin is the active metabolite. This conversion leads to more "bodyload".
But psilocin is less stable than psilocybin, and partially degrades while drying. That's why fresh mushrooms are stronger than the equivalent dried dose. Also fresh ones kick in faster because fresh shrooms get digested way faster, and they contain more psilocin which is readily available (whereas psilocybin needs to be converted /broken down before it's active).
Fresh shrooms are stronger, have less bodyload & kick in faster, which also adds to the strength. Stronger means more visual.
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Try LSD, less body load from what I hear, as I've no experience with good LSD...
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Re: Types of high and how to achieve them. [Re: Pandemoon]
#26442696 - 01/20/20 06:43 AM (4 years, 9 days ago) |
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Pandemoon said: Mushrooms contain both, psilocybin and psilocin. Psilocybin needs to be converted to psilocin in out gut, as only psilocin is the active metabolite. This conversion leads to more "bodyload".
But psilocin is less stable than psilocybin, and partially degrades while drying. That's why fresh mushrooms are stronger than the equivalent dried dose. Also fresh ones kick in faster because fresh shrooms get digested way faster, and they contain more psilocin which is readily available (whereas psilocybin needs to be converted /broken down before it's active).
Fresh shrooms are stronger, have less bodyload & kick in faster, which also adds to the strength. Stronger means more visual.
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Thanks for your replies. The reason i want more of a head high is because sometimes i feel like i can feel the insides of my body. If i can feel my chest inside it makes me feel uncomfortable. If i feel aware of the inside of my chest it sometimes starts to feel tight which i just dont like. Mixed with alcohol i never have any of this. I can achieve an absolutly amazing high. Last time i drank on shrooms i get taking a little more shroom every couple of hrs and by the end of the night i played a tune that unlocked a different dimension to my consciousness. It was one of the best experiences i have ever had. Simply amazing. The tune is called "Neeky" and its by "Enigma dubz" if anyone is interested. Try it when you get to the highest point of your trip. I found it actually controlled the visuals.
Anyway back to the questions of how to control a trip. I have taken LSD many times when i was younger. Purple ohms, strawberries etc. I loved that high, but it is normally a strong dose that lasts longer than a mushroom high. I dont want to do it like that. I have found that i need to prime myself first with a little bit and then when i feel it i then take some more. Taking one big hit i can sometimes regret.
Fresh shrooms seem to be the way, but then i have some left over that i dry out and dont know what to do with them. Last week i ate just one cubensis fresh that had a 5 cm diam cap and that alone took me to the stage of seeing really nice visuals. I did not think it would be so strong. It is my first time trying these type as i have only ever done liberty caps which are much smaller but still pack a punch.
Whatever the outcome i am glad i tried cubensis. They are really good. Do other types give a different buzz? Which others are worth trying?
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There is also Baeocystin which is an analogue of Psilocybin which has psychedelic effects too. And there is Norbaeocystin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baeocystin
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Re: Types of high and how to achieve them. [Re: mongoosed]
#26442744 - 01/20/20 07:46 AM (4 years, 9 days ago) |
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A lot of people will tell you that a cube is a cube. Or even that mushrooms are mushrooms. I am not of that belief. I am in no way an experienced grower I've only been at this for a year. But in that time I've grown out some different mushrooms and eaten them. I have had nothing but good clean trips on RW and PE6 was all body load and dark vibes. APE was clean but stimulating to the point I can't sleep if I eat them at night and I hate being awake when I don't want to. GT was all body high no matter how much I dosed. It was almost like MDMA without the downside. Never did try the PEUW I grew but people said it was similar to the RW. Gonna try my hand at pans next to see what they are about.
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Re: Types of high and how to achieve them. [Re: mongoosed]
#26442747 - 01/20/20 07:47 AM (4 years, 9 days ago) |
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Pan cyans are worth trying, as well as liberty caps. Both are said to have less bodyload than cubensis, and both are also quite a bit more potent.
Concerning baeocystin, it's said to be similar in it's effects and similar in potency to psilocybin, but is found only in traces in those mushrooms, like 0.02 percent. That's like twenty times less than the psilocybin content. Liberty caps do contain a bit more of that alkaloid, though still mainly psilocybin.
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Re: Types of high and how to achieve them. [Re: Pandemoon]
#26442755 - 01/20/20 07:55 AM (4 years, 9 days ago) |
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I don't know if there's any scientific truth behind my experiences but I have always felt liberty caps give me a bit more mystical vibes in a way. I feel even more connected to nature compared to cubes and feel like I am receiving messages from trees etc. Then again cubes do the same thing but feel more cosmic. Hard to explain.
It's still probably because every trip is so different more than the chemical composition of different mushrooms. Who knows.
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Re: Types of high and how to achieve them. [Re: heavenlybliss]
#26442773 - 01/20/20 08:09 AM (4 years, 9 days ago) |
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There is some really good info here. I have also just read another thread where the guy is explaining the same sort of symtoms while coming up and people suggest he tries to make tea with lemon and ginger, maybe just drink the tea once its brewed and throw the mushrooms. I may try this first. Then i reckon i will order some different shroom spores and try to find a type that totally agrees with me.
One thing for sure i can tell you. Shrooms are mother natures fixer. These little beauties cured me of my PTSD after being in a terrorist attack. That is no s**t. I cannot believe how good i feel right now. They totally rebooted my mind, body and soul. The day after i take them i feel fine also. Psilocybin/psilocin and whatever else is inside them, to me are none adictive and have no side effects whatsoever. I find it mind bogling that they dont figure out how to dose depressed people and cure them with mushrooms. A microdose fixed me. I was walking my dog and was at the lowest i have ever been when i found a few liberty caps. I took just one and within an hr i felt totally back to normal. How the f**k does that even happen by taking one single liberty cap?
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Re: Types of high and how to achieve them. [Re: Bph]
#26442784 - 01/20/20 08:19 AM (4 years, 9 days ago) |
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Bph said: A lot of people will tell you that a cube is a cube. Or even that mushrooms are mushrooms. I am not of that belief. I am in no way an experienced grower I've only been at this for a year. But in that time I've grown out some different mushrooms and eaten them. I have had nothing but good clean trips on RW and PE6 was all body load and dark vibes. APE was clean but stimulating to the point I can't sleep if I eat them at night and I hate being awake when I don't want to. GT was all body high no matter how much I dosed. It was almost like MDMA without the downside. Never did try the PEUW I grew but people said it was similar to the RW. Gonna try my hand at pans next to see what they are about.
What are RW and PE6? if you dont mind me asking.
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Re: Types of high and how to achieve them. [Re: mongoosed]
#26442796 - 01/20/20 08:28 AM (4 years, 9 days ago) |
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Don't get too hung up on having control. That's half the point. That feeling of taking a gamble with your sanity, blindly leaping of the cliff into uncertainty only to come out the other side a new person. Sounds like the mush are taking good care of you, just keep eating them when the mood strikes you and try to have more of a purpose than just to catch a high. Although that can be enough I suggest taking it deeper.
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Re: Types of high and how to achieve them. [Re: mongoosed]
#26442802 - 01/20/20 08:33 AM (4 years, 9 days ago) |
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Bph said: A lot of people will tell you that a cube is a cube. Or even that mushrooms are mushrooms. I am not of that belief. I am in no way an experienced grower I've only been at this for a year. But in that time I've grown out some different mushrooms and eaten them. I have had nothing but good clean trips on RW and PE6 was all body load and dark vibes. APE was clean but stimulating to the point I can't sleep if I eat them at night and I hate being awake when I don't want to. GT was all body high no matter how much I dosed. It was almost like MDMA without the downside. Never did try the PEUW I grew but people said it was similar to the RW. Gonna try my hand at pans next to see what they are about.
What are RW and PE6? if you dont mind me asking.
Just some cubes. The RW I'd suggest. You can get a print in the market place easy enough or I could help ya out just need to grow it back out first as I'm down to 1 print. Pe6 is just a normal looking cube from.what I could tell. They were strong but not in a good way IMO.
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Re: Types of high and how to achieve them. [Re: Bph]
#26442813 - 01/20/20 08:50 AM (4 years, 9 days ago) |
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Just some cubes. The RW I'd suggest. You can get a print in the market place easy enough or I could help ya out just need to grow it back out first as I'm down to 1 print. Pe6 is just a normal looking cube from.what I could tell. They were strong but not in a good way IMO.
I am in no rush. I have a few flushes to come from one cake i think. Looks to be going well. I also took a print from my last one i did and started some agar going which i think is taking hold. I shall see what happens. Thats the thing. I do not feel the need to keep taking them. To me its a once a month thing or for a special occasion. I am pretty sure if i took them more often i would build up a tolerance in no time.
If PE6 is short for penis envy then are B+ not similar anyway? I am interested in seeing where the road takes me and so far find it great as a knowledge building project. I actually feel like i am gaining in intelligence doing this. You name any other drug where this can happen.
Thanks for the offer. I may tek you up on it at some point:)
Here is my first proper cake. I am pretty proud of it. Proud noob.

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Re: Types of high and how to achieve them. [Re: mongoosed]
#26442854 - 01/20/20 09:30 AM (4 years, 9 days ago) |
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I would add that liberty caps (Psilocybe Semilanceata) give a widely different trip to Cubensis. Especially the open eye visuals, which I reckon are super strong on Liberty Caps.
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Re: Types of high and how to achieve them. [Re: DJ Ed]
#26442896 - 01/20/20 10:04 AM (4 years, 9 days ago) |
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PE6?
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Shroomery veteran RogerRabbit, "Crossed a standard PE with the Tex strain." The result was PE 6. RogerRabbit's efforts were an attempt to create a PE strain which produced more spores... but the spores were accidentally released too early... when a few prints were unintentionally mailed out, in a stack of other prints. Here's how RogerRabbit says PE 6 came to be.
"A single sector fruiting isolate of PE, and another of TEX were placed on a Petri dish with rattlesnake venom added to the agar. The snake venom helped the two dikaryotic strains share genetic information to form a third sector, which was which was labeled PE6. Other Isolates of the PE were labeled PE 1-7, and apparently, some of the 6, which was the cross, were in the same batch of prints. The idea was to get a good spore producing PE, but I never had time to stabilize the strain due to accidentally releasing it early. That's why sometimes they look like texans and sometimes very much like PE."
PE 6 looks like a cross between Penis envy and Texans. The fruits often have LARGE caps, which open fully, unlike classic PE. They also produce spores. While the stems look quite a bit like PE. Thick and textured. Like little logs. RogerRabbit confirms this description: "the caps that opened fully have fewer spores like PE, and they have the same gnarly stems too. Only the caps seem to be bigger and to open all the way."
From http://www.en.psilosophy.info/species.php.
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Re: Types of high and how to achieve them. [Re: Pandemoon] 1
#26444284 - 01/21/20 04:55 AM (4 years, 8 days ago) |
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Rattlesnake venom? This guy must be very intelligent to understand how that would even work.
Hats off to anyone who even dreams this stuff up. Hats off to anyone willing to milk a rattlesnake.
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Re: Types of high and how to achieve them. [Re: mongoosed]
#26444308 - 01/21/20 05:37 AM (4 years, 8 days ago) |
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mongoosed said: Rattlesnake venom? This guy must be very intelligent to understand how that would even work.
Hats off to anyone who even dreams this stuff up. Hats off to anyone willing to milk a rattlesnake.
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Re: Types of high and how to achieve them. [Re: HamHead]
#26445208 - 01/21/20 08:36 PM (4 years, 8 days ago) |
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HamHead said: Try LSD, less body load from what I hear, as I've no experience with good LSD...
that depends iv had some tabbs were the come up was so trong puked few times. But the tripp was amazing.
As for mushrooms there not consistent like acid is. I finde with mushrooms every tripp is different an theren are so many variables like your set an settings, what you have eaten an the quantity an quality of the mushrooms. I personally love the body high mushrooms give me. It feels like super strong indica to me at least.
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