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OfflineTrustyrusty
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Definitely cubes? * 1
    #26442498 - 01/19/20 11:57 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Habitat:
Where does it grow? Eg. woods, pasture, state, province, country, altitude, etc. What does it grow on? Eg. soil, dung, wood (dead, living, what kind of wood?), etc.

Growing out of cow pats in semi-shaded area under trees next to a creek

Gills:
Color, attached/not, gills/pores, etc.

Brown, now black

Stem:
Length, diameter, color, texture, hollow/solid, thin/thick, etc.

Up to 10cm

Cap:
Diameter, color, texture, conical/spherical, convex/concave, etc.

1cm to 4cm

Spore print color:
Very important!

Very dark, black

Bruising:
Color that the mushroom bruises, if any.

Black



Just want to check if these are definitely cubes; first time picker, picked yesterday and this morning after several days of heavy rain here on the Sunshine Coast in Queensland. Realise now I should have left the smaller ones to grow bigger but hopefully there will be plenty more for others after more rain. Don’t think anyone else knows about this particular paddock anyway. Cheers everyone!








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Re: Definitely cubes? [Re: Trustyrusty]
    #26442504 - 01/20/20 12:00 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Those look like Pans cyans or maybe Pan tropicalis. An excellent find! :thumbup:


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Re: Definitely cubes? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26442512 - 01/20/20 12:14 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Thanks. Never heard of tropicalis. Should I treat them the same (ie dosage) as cyans and expect similar effect?


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Re: Definitely cubes? [Re: Trustyrusty]
    #26442517 - 01/20/20 12:18 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)



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Re: Definitely cubes? [Re: Trustyrusty] * 1
    #26442519 - 01/20/20 12:19 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Yeah, blue ones are Copelandia cyanescens. A lot more potent than cubes, fyi.


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Re: Definitely cubes? [Re: breeg89]
    #26442524 - 01/20/20 12:29 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

This is getting confusing. My fault, I think I should have asked if these are Blue Meanies, not cubes.

I take it that these are either cyans (Blue Meanies) or tropicalis?

If they are tropicalis, are they stronger/weaker and different in effect from cyans?

Thanks for your patience guys, newbie here!


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Re: Definitely Pan cyans? [Re: Trustyrusty]
    #26442529 - 01/20/20 12:42 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Both species are about the same in potency. You have mostly Pan cyans there and some that look like Pan tropicalis. They are genetically very similar species.

Heres some info on both:

https://www.shroomery.org/12485/Panaeolus-cyanescens

https://www.shroomery.org/12488/Panaeolus-tropicalis


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Re: Definitely Pan cyans? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26442532 - 01/20/20 12:50 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Thanks mate, thats really useful.

Interested to know how the tropicalis look different to the cyans to you...?


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Re: Definitely Pan cyans/tropicalis? [Re: Trustyrusty]
    #26442535 - 01/20/20 12:53 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Quote:

Trustyrusty said:
Habitat:
Where does it grow? Eg. woods, pasture, state, province, country, altitude, etc. What does it grow on? Eg. soil, dung, wood (dead, living, what kind of wood?), etc.

Growing out of cow pats in semi-shaded area under trees next to a creek

Gills:
Color, attached/not, gills/pores, etc.

Brown, now black

Stem:
Length, diameter, color, texture, hollow/solid, thin/thick, etc.

Up to 10cm

Cap:
Diameter, color, texture, conical/spherical, convex/concave, etc.

1cm to 4cm

Spore print color:
Very important!

Very dark, black

Bruising:
Color that the mushroom bruises, if any.

Black






The shrooms on the right side with that golden color on the cap look more like tropicalis to me.


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Re: Definitely Pan cyans/tropicalis? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26442665 - 01/20/20 06:00 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Looks like Cyans to me better than cubes good find man 🙏🏾


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Re: Definitely cubes? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26442700 - 01/20/20 06:52 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

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Those look like Pans cyans or maybe Pan tropicalis. An excellent find! :thumbup:




They are likely P. cyanescens, given his location. In any case they are apparently difficult to distinguish from each other.


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Re: Definitely cubes? [Re: Anglerfish] * 1
    #26442864 - 01/20/20 09:34 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

I have no doubt that they are Panaeolus cyanescens

Edit: I strongly recommend that you dry them thoroughly and use a scale to get your dose. In my experience 1g is nice but more than 2g is uncomfortable for me and many others. They are way more potent than cubensis.  You should look at my gallery,  check out the Psilocybe cubensis and Panaeolus cyanescens sections and compare the 2 so you can see how far off you were on your identification, but you did luck out and find a good one.


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Re: Definitely cubes? [Re: Doc9151]
    #26443807 - 01/20/20 08:06 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Many thanks. I’ve dried them out (fridge overnight then in direct sun for 1-1/2hours, they went from from 70g to 7g). I’m about to take 1/2g then another 1/2g in one hour if I feel ok 🤞. Baby steps for me thanks! Drinking as tea. Cheers.


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Re: Definitely Pan cyans? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26443842 - 01/20/20 08:27 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Quote:

LogicaL Chaos said:
Both species are about the same in potency. You have mostly Pan cyans there and some that look like Pan tropicalis. They are genetically very similar species.

Heres some info on both:

https://www.shroomery.org/12485/Panaeolus-cyanescens

https://www.shroomery.org/12488/Panaeolus-tropicalis





Thank you for this, I'm going to be compiling some information probably in my journal.  I recently sold some pan cyan prints to someone which I mistakingly ID'd 5 of them

I will oftten find what I just have always nicknamed tropicalis but now after seeing this I am pretty sure I may have been close or right.  They just have a different vibe, now that I have learned about the golding on the top that's interesting.




This is a very good fine OP and good luck with them, I find a good description is if cubes are skittles, pans are like tropical skittles.

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Re: Definitely Pan cyans? [Re: King0fthajuice] * 1
    #26443859 - 01/20/20 08:37 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

^ Could be wrong, but I don't think you can reliably distinguish Panaeolus cyanescens from tropicalis macroscopically. It seems like both species vary in color from white to grey to brown to gold.

Good vibes trusty


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Re: Definitely Pan cyans? [Re: breeg89]
    #26444141 - 01/21/20 12:48 AM (4 years, 8 days ago)

^ I wonder then how people originally tell the difference and what they are.



et Black, 12 - 15 x 7 - 11 um, smooth, opaque, elliptical. With a germ pore. Basidia 4 spored, pleurocystidia fusoid-ventricose, cheilocystidia 12 x 4 um.(pan cyan)

Spores are dark violet black to black, ellipsoid, and 10.5-12.0 x 7-9 um. The basidia each produce two spores. (tropicalis)


I'm really really new to microscopy and I am still learning, I wonder if the basidia being four spored or the basidia producing two spores is visible. 


okay so I just researched basidia and it's like the branch the fruit hangs on and the fruit is the spores.  It's located near or on the gills

https://images.app.goo.gl/gPjQFPNVGFbAj5A36

I've yet to put a full fruit under and I think we'd need someone with some experience to chime in on how do you look at the basidia of a mushroom.


Maybe if I dissect a small piece of gill flesh and prepare slides I would be able to see the basidia.  My microscope came with a few slides of household things and to see a housefly leg close up was wierd.  Also there was on of a piece of wood and to see the individual cells was fascinating.  I hope when I look at a small piece of gill I just see basidia's everywhere lol


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Re: Definitely Pan cyans? [Re: King0fthajuice]
    #26444208 - 01/21/20 02:31 AM (4 years, 8 days ago)

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curious.mind said:




I took these photos, I was working,
and wasn't able to grab any, but was
wondering if they are what I am thinking
they might be... Thanks for help if anyone can




i'm not sure if these are commonly confused for cubes


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