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Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you?
    #26442178 - 01/19/20 07:10 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Yes or no?

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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Backbone] * 2
    #26442212 - 01/19/20 07:31 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

“Shroom dealer” is a broad category encompassing a wide variety of individuals, some shitty, some highly stand up and respectable and everything in between. I’m not aware of any particular stigma on “shroom dealers.”

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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Backbone]
    #26442242 - 01/19/20 07:51 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Yes because it’s about sex and people get mad if you use them for that, and namely, attraction of the opposite sex. But it wasn’t always like that so I’d say no.
I turned down a $30 bag of mushrooms in college once, because I was still reading the rest of the McKenna books, and didn’t feel that ready yet. It was the moment I was waiting for my life, but ruined it because it seemed premature still. My other main interest was DMT, which is the other thing Terence talks about. People think it’s mainly mushrooms, but DMT was his main topic.
I also couldn’t really buy it because I was the broke student type. This was when I did one tab of LSD and didn’t like it, and received two bags of DMT. I got two breakthroughs from them, and some sub threshold stuff. I had another dose of it but tried to share it then the person didn’t want it and told me to toss it so I freaked out, and was going to smoke it on his couch but punked out, then flushed it.
I didn’t like the low dose of acid because it made me think about what really could have been going on. I had to work the next day, so just enjoyed the rest of the duration.
This was also when I bought a $5 bag of mushrooms, which made me feel high like I smoked hash or weed after a while. It seemed familiar even though it was my first time.
I also had some 10x salvia extract that I threw away after smoking the DMT. I got paranoid after a while like someone would find my shit, and thought people would dig in the trash and find the bag of DMT residue then charge me for a street purchase.
The first time I smoked it there was an orange veil and I was there for a while, recalled Terence, packed and toked more then broke through. I thought I would remember it forever. I remember loads of alien information downloading into me, and I remember the scent and taste of it. There were visual hallucinations, basically, like all these colors and shapes, and psychedelic motifs. There was hippie stuff too, like with mushrooms, and strange alien-elf-God type of thoughts, but ultimately with eyes closed I arrived at a place, and there were insectoid beings running up to me, showing my an object. There were moving how Robert Kirk described them in the Secret Commonwealth. They looked like what they were showing me, and they seemed indifferent this time. They were fading away and doing the farewell part when it was ending.
The second time, I thought I was dying, and I’m pretty sure had an extremely psychedelic time that I can’t really recall.
All I can remember from that time, is though, is the last five minutes where I was on a purple spaceship, laying down, being operated on by two aliens in labcoats and a fairy (the “Navi” type). I was laying down on my bed and when eyes were closed or open, they were still there. I wanted to stay forever but also wanted it to end. I just wanted to do it again.
When I did do it again, I extracted it from Mimosa hostilis. But, I think the dose was too high because I can remember it being something else entirely that I couldn’t explain, or even recall at all, it was stuff the “english language” didn’t invent words for yet. It was really weird, and happened again with a subsequent bowl about a week later, except it was mainly blue.
Nothing could compare.
But people think there’s some conception of “God” talking to you when you do it, in any instance, it was information being downloaded into me, then presumably, the “aliens” or “God” or whatever, uploads your information or “essence”, just so it could work both ways.
People think those were the worst, but I haven’t seen anything that could compare yet, while still admirable efforts.
I wanted to move away from it and see if that was right, but I think it only happens on higher doses.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Blabble40] * 1
    #26442271 - 01/19/20 08:10 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think there's much wrong with it. I mean, if it weren't for a dealer I would have never tried them to be honest. Tried them once, and knew there was something there. Continued to get them off this one guy.. slowly understanding more and more.

Went about 2 years on a dry spell, really wanted to have another experience but I'm not one to really ask around for things of such. Did a little bit of research - found this forum and started growing my own. I've even sold a tad bit here and there. Only to close friends and the only reason I charged was so they didn't question me why I was giving them to them for free:lol:

To each their own. Some people will hate it - some people are fine with it. A lot of the one's selling it aren't trying to sell the experience, they're just trying to get a profit - and the one's buying aren't always taking them responsibly.

But that's how the cookie crumbles in this world - You either hate it or love it - but regardless, it's going to happen.. so why spend time getting upset about something that is out of your control?

A lot worse people out there selling poison and fentanyl to young kids. Those are the one's that one's should be upset with.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Blabble40] * 1
    #26442294 - 01/19/20 08:25 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Yes because it’s about sex and people get mad if you use them for that, and namely, attraction of the opposite sex. But it wasn’t always like that so I’d say no.
I turned down a $30 bag of mushrooms in college once, because I was still reading the rest of the McKenna books, and didn’t feel that ready yet. It was the moment I was waiting for my life, but ruined it because it seemed premature still. My other main interest was DMT, which is the other thing Terence talks about. People think it’s mainly mushrooms, but DMT was his main topic.
I also couldn’t really buy it because I was the broke student type. This was when I did one tab of LSD and didn’t like it, and received two bags of DMT. I got two breakthroughs from them, and some sub threshold stuff. I had another dose of it but tried to share it then the person didn’t want it and told me to toss it so I freaked out, and was going to smoke it on his couch but punked out, then flushed it.
I didn’t like the low dose of acid because it made me think about what really could have been going on. I had to work the next day, so just enjoyed the rest of the duration.
This was also when I bought a $5 bag of mushrooms, which made me feel high like I smoked hash or weed after a while. It seemed familiar even though it was my first time.
I also had some 10x salvia extract that I threw away after smoking the DMT. I got paranoid after a while like someone would find my shit, and thought people would dig in the trash and find the bag of DMT residue then charge me for a street purchase.
The first time I smoked it there was an orange veil and I was there for a while, recalled Terence, packed and toked more then broke through. I thought I would remember it forever. I remember loads of alien information downloading into me, and I remember the scent and taste of it. There were visual hallucinations, basically, like all these colors and shapes, and psychedelic motifs. There was hippie stuff too, like with mushrooms, and strange alien-elf-God type of thoughts, but ultimately with eyes closed I arrived at a place, and there were insectoid beings running up to me, showing my an object. There were moving how Robert Kirk described them in the Secret Commonwealth. They looked like what they were showing me, and they seemed indifferent this time. They were fading away and doing the farewell part when it was ending.
The second time, I thought I was dying, and I’m pretty sure had an extremely psychedelic time that I can’t really recall.
All I can remember from that time, is though, is the last five minutes where I was on a purple spaceship, laying down, being operated on by two aliens in labcoats and a fairy (the “Navi” type). I was laying down on my bed and when eyes were closed or open, they were still there. I wanted to stay forever but also wanted it to end. I just wanted to do it again.
When I did do it again, I extracted it from Mimosa hostilis. But, I think the dose was too high because I can remember it being something else entirely that I couldn’t explain, or even recall at all, it was stuff the “english language” didn’t invent words for yet. It was really weird, and happened again with a subsequent bowl about a week later, except it was mainly blue.
Nothing could compare.
But people think there’s some conception of “God” taking to you when you do it, in any instance, it was information being downloaded into me, then presumably, the “aliens” or “God” or whatever, uploads your information or “essence”, just so it could work both ways.
People think those were the worst, but I haven’t seen anything that could compare yet, while still admirable efforts.
I wanted to move away from it and see if that was right, but I think it only happens on higher doses.




ROFL! What?

Thats a lot of words for a yes or no question...and you still didn't answer the question :rofl2:


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: BabylonRuleDem] * 1
    #26442296 - 01/19/20 08:27 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

I think he may have thought he was on a different thread:lol::awegrow:


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: BabylonRuleDem] * 2
    #26442303 - 01/19/20 08:38 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Blabble40 said:
Yes because it’s about sex and people get mad if you use them for that, and namely, attraction of the opposite sex. But it wasn’t always like that so I’d say no.
I turned down a $30 bag of mushrooms in college once, because I was still reading the rest of the McKenna books, and didn’t feel that ready yet. It was the moment I was waiting for my life, but ruined it because it seemed premature still. My other main interest was DMT, which is the other thing Terence talks about. People think it’s mainly mushrooms, but DMT was his main topic.
I also couldn’t really buy it because I was the broke student type. This was when I did one tab of LSD and didn’t like it, and received two bags of DMT. I got two breakthroughs from them, and some sub threshold stuff. I had another dose of it but tried to share it then the person didn’t want it and told me to toss it so I freaked out, and was going to smoke it on his couch but punked out, then flushed it.
I didn’t like the low dose of acid because it made me think about what really could have been going on. I had to work the next day, so just enjoyed the rest of the duration.
This was also when I bought a $5 bag of mushrooms, which made me feel high like I smoked hash or weed after a while. It seemed familiar even though it was my first time.
I also had some 10x salvia extract that I threw away after smoking the DMT. I got paranoid after a while like someone would find my shit, and thought people would dig in the trash and find the bag of DMT residue then charge me for a street purchase.
The first time I smoked it there was an orange veil and I was there for a while, recalled Terence, packed and toked more then broke through. I thought I would remember it forever. I remember loads of alien information downloading into me, and I remember the scent and taste of it. There were visual hallucinations, basically, like all these colors and shapes, and psychedelic motifs. There was hippie stuff too, like with mushrooms, and strange alien-elf-God type of thoughts, but ultimately with eyes closed I arrived at a place, and there were insectoid beings running up to me, showing my an object. There were moving how Robert Kirk described them in the Secret Commonwealth. They looked like what they were showing me, and they seemed indifferent this time. They were fading away and doing the farewell part when it was ending.
The second time, I thought I was dying, and I’m pretty sure had an extremely psychedelic time that I can’t really recall.
All I can remember from that time, is though, is the last five minutes where I was on a purple spaceship, laying down, being operated on by two aliens in labcoats and a fairy (the “Navi” type). I was laying down on my bed and when eyes were closed or open, they were still there. I wanted to stay forever but also wanted it to end. I just wanted to do it again.
When I did do it again, I extracted it from Mimosa hostilis. But, I think the dose was too high because I can remember it being something else entirely that I couldn’t explain, or even recall at all, it was stuff the “english language” didn’t invent words for yet. It was really weird, and happened again with a subsequent bowl about a week later, except it was mainly blue.
Nothing could compare.
But people think there’s some conception of “God” taking to you when you do it, in any instance, it was information being downloaded into me, then presumably, the “aliens” or “God” or whatever, uploads your information or “essence”, just so it could work both ways.
People think those were the worst, but I haven’t seen anything that could compare yet, while still admirable efforts.
I wanted to move away from it and see if that was right, but I think it only happens on higher doses.




ROFL! What?

Thats a lot of words for a yes or no question...and you still didn't answer the question :rofl2:




Yes, he started with his answer.........yes


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #26442307 - 01/19/20 08:39 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

There is a stigma associated with dealing any illicit drugs.

It doesn't bother me as much as it scares me, which is the reason why I would never engage in that behavior.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #26442308 - 01/19/20 08:40 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

You can just grow your own and don’t have to buy. I don’t have much a problem and don’t have much opinion either way. All I know is some don’t care, but I know no one wants to be a hypocrite, that’s why I just say they can grow their own.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: SynKyd]
    #26442310 - 01/19/20 08:41 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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I think he may have thought he was on a different thread:lol::awegrow:




Must have although :ilold: so all is not lost:lol:

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Yes, he started with his answer.........yes




Hmm so mushroom dealers are all about sex :themoreyouknow:


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: BabylonRuleDem]
    #26442340 - 01/19/20 08:53 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Vibe_Enthusiast said:
I think he may have thought he was on a different thread:lol::awegrow:




Must have although :ilold: so all is not lost:lol:

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Yes, he started with his answer.........yes




Hmm so mushroom dealers are all about sex :themoreyouknow:




Well none of it makes any sense, but technically he did answer the question I think.......


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Backbone]
    #26442885 - 01/20/20 09:51 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Yes or no?



No. By “no”, what I really mean, though............if our government’s,were ethical, responsible sorts, who were really trying to protect us from harm, and not control us, then this”War On Drugs” would be a thing of the past, all Drugs would be legal, but controlled, and there would be no need for so called “shroom dealers”.

The damned war on drugs really is a pet hate of mine, and has been for most of my life. I recently finished reading David Nutt: Drugs Without The Hot Air; he was the chief English science officer responsible for advising the uk govt on drugs policy. He was sacked for saying alcohol was more dangerous than ecstasy. Though you’ll probably be really angry when you finish reading it!

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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: DJ Ed] * 3
    #26442979 - 01/20/20 11:02 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

There's society stigmas around any dealer. It's mostly ignorance when it comes to plant medicines and psychedelics, there's nothing wrong with selling plant medicines besides the fact that it's illegal.

But look what Marijuana growers did for decades... it's the same thing.. eventually will be legalized


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #26443014 - 01/20/20 11:29 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

If your a good honest person and u sell shrooms/weed/good psychedelics then I think there’s no problem with it. As long as you have good intentions and care about people’s health than I say have at it. I think these medicines should be legalized but I don’t believe they should be controlled.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: SFS96]
    #26443416 - 01/20/20 04:06 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

There's the argument that selling shrooms for profit is bad because shrooms are sacred, and commercializing/capitalizing on them is unethical because it be profane to the spiritual or holy nature of shrooms. It would be like selling Communion at church or charging a cover fee to attend mass. I don't personally hold this belief but I can dig the logic. Thoughts?


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Hans Wermhat]
    #26443476 - 01/20/20 04:49 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Churches have done that maybe not specifically but for penance, only the most obviously corrupt though... some do charge for entrance i believe i dont know if they do it anymore but i remember hearing about it from a history teacher

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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Backbone] * 1
    #26444078 - 01/20/20 11:20 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

There are very few shroom dealers. It's like drug dealers who have shrooms too. I don't know enough people who take shrooms and the ones who do take them once a year. I wouldn't sell an oz a year.
Drug dealers in my town sell meth/heroin/cocaine, and some also carry mdma/K/psychedelics because they want to be a one stop for all your drug needs. Some people have ethical dilemma buying drugs from real drug dealers and not some festival hippie bum, I don't though.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: viraldrome] * 1
    #26444083 - 01/20/20 11:26 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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There are very few shroom dealers. It's like drug dealers who have shrooms too. I don't know enough people who take shrooms and the ones who do take them once a year. I wouldn't sell an oz a year.
Drug dealers in my town sell meth/heroin/cocaine, and some also carry mdma/K/psychedelics because they want to be a one stop for all your drug needs. Some people have ethical dilemma buying drugs from real drug dealers and not some festival hippie bum, I don't though.




Festival hippie bums have provided me the strongest acid i've ever experienced. so cool it on them.

However i do agree with your assertion of "bullshit^^^every word" on that other thread. I had to stop commenting there because i said my peice and wasn't worth debating the bullshit being said there.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Backbone]
    #26444249 - 01/21/20 03:59 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

I would aruge there is some stigma for me for shroom dealers. Not because they are selling shrooms, but because the shrooms they sell are typically insanely potent and not very friendly on the mind or new comers. Hence Dealer Shrooms.

If Shroom Dealers grew shrooms more like how homegrown shrooms feel (gentle, introspective, friendly, not overly potent, calmer, more spiritual, less chaotic) then I would have more respect for them.

But since Dealer Shrooms (cubenis grown by expert growers for max potency) are so different than the pleasant feel of homegrown, I do have some animosity toward them. Do they even dose themselves? Do you really think that's how the shroom experience should go? I feel like they lack the understanding of their own shroom effects.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Hans Wermhat]
    #26444525 - 01/21/20 09:37 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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There's the argument that selling shrooms for profit is bad because shrooms are sacred, and commercializing/capitalizing on them is unethical because it be profane to the spiritual or holy nature of shrooms. It would be like selling Communion at church or charging a cover fee to attend mass. I don't personally hold this belief but I can dig the logic. Thoughts?



Hmm yes, see where you’re coming from there. So how about this...... I’m on an email list for the uk psychedelic society, and followed some links in their webpage to look into their “retreats”. They are held,in Holland using truffles, so it’s all legal. But here’s the snub; the cost is salary based, so if you earn a lot, you pay more. That’s fair enough. But you’re looking at approximately £2000 for a four day retreat. The price includes guides before and after, meals, bed, and the ceremony. But £2000, they milking it off us. I’d hazard a guess that any real world shroom dealer is more ethical than this legal setup......
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