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Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you?
    #26442178 - 01/19/20 07:10 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

Yes or no?


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Backbone] * 2
    #26442212 - 01/19/20 07:31 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

“Shroom dealer” is a broad category encompassing a wide variety of individuals, some shitty, some highly stand up and respectable and everything in between. I’m not aware of any particular stigma on “shroom dealers.”


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Backbone]
    #26442242 - 01/19/20 07:51 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

Yes because it’s about sex and people get mad if you use them for that, and namely, attraction of the opposite sex. But it wasn’t always like that so I’d say no.
I turned down a $30 bag of mushrooms in college once, because I was still reading the rest of the McKenna books, and didn’t feel that ready yet. It was the moment I was waiting for my life, but ruined it because it seemed premature still. My other main interest was DMT, which is the other thing Terence talks about. People think it’s mainly mushrooms, but DMT was his main topic.
I also couldn’t really buy it because I was the broke student type. This was when I did one tab of LSD and didn’t like it, and received two bags of DMT. I got two breakthroughs from them, and some sub threshold stuff. I had another dose of it but tried to share it then the person didn’t want it and told me to toss it so I freaked out, and was going to smoke it on his couch but punked out, then flushed it.
I didn’t like the low dose of acid because it made me think about what really could have been going on. I had to work the next day, so just enjoyed the rest of the duration.
This was also when I bought a $5 bag of mushrooms, which made me feel high like I smoked hash or weed after a while. It seemed familiar even though it was my first time.
I also had some 10x salvia extract that I threw away after smoking the DMT. I got paranoid after a while like someone would find my shit, and thought people would dig in the trash and find the bag of DMT residue then charge me for a street purchase.
The first time I smoked it there was an orange veil and I was there for a while, recalled Terence, packed and toked more then broke through. I thought I would remember it forever. I remember loads of alien information downloading into me, and I remember the scent and taste of it. There were visual hallucinations, basically, like all these colors and shapes, and psychedelic motifs. There was hippie stuff too, like with mushrooms, and strange alien-elf-God type of thoughts, but ultimately with eyes closed I arrived at a place, and there were insectoid beings running up to me, showing my an object. There were moving how Robert Kirk described them in the Secret Commonwealth. They looked like what they were showing me, and they seemed indifferent this time. They were fading away and doing the farewell part when it was ending.
The second time, I thought I was dying, and I’m pretty sure had an extremely psychedelic time that I can’t really recall.
All I can remember from that time, is though, is the last five minutes where I was on a purple spaceship, laying down, being operated on by two aliens in labcoats and a fairy (the “Navi” type). I was laying down on my bed and when eyes were closed or open, they were still there. I wanted to stay forever but also wanted it to end. I just wanted to do it again.
When I did do it again, I extracted it from Mimosa hostilis. But, I think the dose was too high because I can remember it being something else entirely that I couldn’t explain, or even recall at all, it was stuff the “english language” didn’t invent words for yet. It was really weird, and happened again with a subsequent bowl about a week later, except it was mainly blue.
Nothing could compare.
But people think there’s some conception of “God” talking to you when you do it, in any instance, it was information being downloaded into me, then presumably, the “aliens” or “God” or whatever, uploads your information or “essence”, just so it could work both ways.
People think those were the worst, but I haven’t seen anything that could compare yet, while still admirable efforts.
I wanted to move away from it and see if that was right, but I think it only happens on higher doses.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Blabble40] * 1
    #26442271 - 01/19/20 08:10 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

I don't think there's much wrong with it. I mean, if it weren't for a dealer I would have never tried them to be honest. Tried them once, and knew there was something there. Continued to get them off this one guy.. slowly understanding more and more.

Went about 2 years on a dry spell, really wanted to have another experience but I'm not one to really ask around for things of such. Did a little bit of research - found this forum and started growing my own. I've even sold a tad bit here and there. Only to close friends and the only reason I charged was so they didn't question me why I was giving them to them for free:lol:

To each their own. Some people will hate it - some people are fine with it. A lot of the one's selling it aren't trying to sell the experience, they're just trying to get a profit - and the one's buying aren't always taking them responsibly.

But that's how the cookie crumbles in this world - You either hate it or love it - but regardless, it's going to happen.. so why spend time getting upset about something that is out of your control?

A lot worse people out there selling poison and fentanyl to young kids. Those are the one's that one's should be upset with.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Blabble40] * 1
    #26442294 - 01/19/20 08:25 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

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Blabble40 said:
Yes because it’s about sex and people get mad if you use them for that, and namely, attraction of the opposite sex. But it wasn’t always like that so I’d say no.
I turned down a $30 bag of mushrooms in college once, because I was still reading the rest of the McKenna books, and didn’t feel that ready yet. It was the moment I was waiting for my life, but ruined it because it seemed premature still. My other main interest was DMT, which is the other thing Terence talks about. People think it’s mainly mushrooms, but DMT was his main topic.
I also couldn’t really buy it because I was the broke student type. This was when I did one tab of LSD and didn’t like it, and received two bags of DMT. I got two breakthroughs from them, and some sub threshold stuff. I had another dose of it but tried to share it then the person didn’t want it and told me to toss it so I freaked out, and was going to smoke it on his couch but punked out, then flushed it.
I didn’t like the low dose of acid because it made me think about what really could have been going on. I had to work the next day, so just enjoyed the rest of the duration.
This was also when I bought a $5 bag of mushrooms, which made me feel high like I smoked hash or weed after a while. It seemed familiar even though it was my first time.
I also had some 10x salvia extract that I threw away after smoking the DMT. I got paranoid after a while like someone would find my shit, and thought people would dig in the trash and find the bag of DMT residue then charge me for a street purchase.
The first time I smoked it there was an orange veil and I was there for a while, recalled Terence, packed and toked more then broke through. I thought I would remember it forever. I remember loads of alien information downloading into me, and I remember the scent and taste of it. There were visual hallucinations, basically, like all these colors and shapes, and psychedelic motifs. There was hippie stuff too, like with mushrooms, and strange alien-elf-God type of thoughts, but ultimately with eyes closed I arrived at a place, and there were insectoid beings running up to me, showing my an object. There were moving how Robert Kirk described them in the Secret Commonwealth. They looked like what they were showing me, and they seemed indifferent this time. They were fading away and doing the farewell part when it was ending.
The second time, I thought I was dying, and I’m pretty sure had an extremely psychedelic time that I can’t really recall.
All I can remember from that time, is though, is the last five minutes where I was on a purple spaceship, laying down, being operated on by two aliens in labcoats and a fairy (the “Navi” type). I was laying down on my bed and when eyes were closed or open, they were still there. I wanted to stay forever but also wanted it to end. I just wanted to do it again.
When I did do it again, I extracted it from Mimosa hostilis. But, I think the dose was too high because I can remember it being something else entirely that I couldn’t explain, or even recall at all, it was stuff the “english language” didn’t invent words for yet. It was really weird, and happened again with a subsequent bowl about a week later, except it was mainly blue.
Nothing could compare.
But people think there’s some conception of “God” taking to you when you do it, in any instance, it was information being downloaded into me, then presumably, the “aliens” or “God” or whatever, uploads your information or “essence”, just so it could work both ways.
People think those were the worst, but I haven’t seen anything that could compare yet, while still admirable efforts.
I wanted to move away from it and see if that was right, but I think it only happens on higher doses.




ROFL! What?

Thats a lot of words for a yes or no question...and you still didn't answer the question :rofl2:


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: BabylonRuleDem] * 1
    #26442296 - 01/19/20 08:27 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

I think he may have thought he was on a different thread:lol::awegrow:


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: BabylonRuleDem] * 2
    #26442303 - 01/19/20 08:38 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

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Blabble40 said:
Yes because it’s about sex and people get mad if you use them for that, and namely, attraction of the opposite sex. But it wasn’t always like that so I’d say no.
I turned down a $30 bag of mushrooms in college once, because I was still reading the rest of the McKenna books, and didn’t feel that ready yet. It was the moment I was waiting for my life, but ruined it because it seemed premature still. My other main interest was DMT, which is the other thing Terence talks about. People think it’s mainly mushrooms, but DMT was his main topic.
I also couldn’t really buy it because I was the broke student type. This was when I did one tab of LSD and didn’t like it, and received two bags of DMT. I got two breakthroughs from them, and some sub threshold stuff. I had another dose of it but tried to share it then the person didn’t want it and told me to toss it so I freaked out, and was going to smoke it on his couch but punked out, then flushed it.
I didn’t like the low dose of acid because it made me think about what really could have been going on. I had to work the next day, so just enjoyed the rest of the duration.
This was also when I bought a $5 bag of mushrooms, which made me feel high like I smoked hash or weed after a while. It seemed familiar even though it was my first time.
I also had some 10x salvia extract that I threw away after smoking the DMT. I got paranoid after a while like someone would find my shit, and thought people would dig in the trash and find the bag of DMT residue then charge me for a street purchase.
The first time I smoked it there was an orange veil and I was there for a while, recalled Terence, packed and toked more then broke through. I thought I would remember it forever. I remember loads of alien information downloading into me, and I remember the scent and taste of it. There were visual hallucinations, basically, like all these colors and shapes, and psychedelic motifs. There was hippie stuff too, like with mushrooms, and strange alien-elf-God type of thoughts, but ultimately with eyes closed I arrived at a place, and there were insectoid beings running up to me, showing my an object. There were moving how Robert Kirk described them in the Secret Commonwealth. They looked like what they were showing me, and they seemed indifferent this time. They were fading away and doing the farewell part when it was ending.
The second time, I thought I was dying, and I’m pretty sure had an extremely psychedelic time that I can’t really recall.
All I can remember from that time, is though, is the last five minutes where I was on a purple spaceship, laying down, being operated on by two aliens in labcoats and a fairy (the “Navi” type). I was laying down on my bed and when eyes were closed or open, they were still there. I wanted to stay forever but also wanted it to end. I just wanted to do it again.
When I did do it again, I extracted it from Mimosa hostilis. But, I think the dose was too high because I can remember it being something else entirely that I couldn’t explain, or even recall at all, it was stuff the “english language” didn’t invent words for yet. It was really weird, and happened again with a subsequent bowl about a week later, except it was mainly blue.
Nothing could compare.
But people think there’s some conception of “God” taking to you when you do it, in any instance, it was information being downloaded into me, then presumably, the “aliens” or “God” or whatever, uploads your information or “essence”, just so it could work both ways.
People think those were the worst, but I haven’t seen anything that could compare yet, while still admirable efforts.
I wanted to move away from it and see if that was right, but I think it only happens on higher doses.




ROFL! What?

Thats a lot of words for a yes or no question...and you still didn't answer the question :rofl2:




Yes, he started with his answer.........yes


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #26442307 - 01/19/20 08:39 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

There is a stigma associated with dealing any illicit drugs.

It doesn't bother me as much as it scares me, which is the reason why I would never engage in that behavior.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #26442308 - 01/19/20 08:40 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

You can just grow your own and don’t have to buy. I don’t have much a problem and don’t have much opinion either way. All I know is some don’t care, but I know no one wants to be a hypocrite, that’s why I just say they can grow their own.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: SynKyd]
    #26442310 - 01/19/20 08:41 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

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I think he may have thought he was on a different thread:lol::awegrow:




Must have although :ilold: so all is not lost:lol:

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Yes, he started with his answer.........yes




Hmm so mushroom dealers are all about sex :themoreyouknow:


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: BabylonRuleDem]
    #26442340 - 01/19/20 08:53 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

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BabylonRuleDem said:
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Vibe_Enthusiast said:
I think he may have thought he was on a different thread:lol::awegrow:




Must have although :ilold: so all is not lost:lol:

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SinysterKyd said:
Yes, he started with his answer.........yes




Hmm so mushroom dealers are all about sex :themoreyouknow:




Well none of it makes any sense, but technically he did answer the question I think.......


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Backbone]
    #26442885 - 01/20/20 09:51 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

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Yes or no?



No. By “no”, what I really mean, though............if our government’s,were ethical, responsible sorts, who were really trying to protect us from harm, and not control us, then this”War On Drugs” would be a thing of the past, all Drugs would be legal, but controlled, and there would be no need for so called “shroom dealers”.

The damned war on drugs really is a pet hate of mine, and has been for most of my life. I recently finished reading David Nutt: Drugs Without The Hot Air; he was the chief English science officer responsible for advising the uk govt on drugs policy. He was sacked for saying alcohol was more dangerous than ecstasy. Though you’ll probably be really angry when you finish reading it!

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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: DJ Ed] * 3
    #26442979 - 01/20/20 11:02 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

There's society stigmas around any dealer. It's mostly ignorance when it comes to plant medicines and psychedelics, there's nothing wrong with selling plant medicines besides the fact that it's illegal.

But look what Marijuana growers did for decades... it's the same thing.. eventually will be legalized


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #26443014 - 01/20/20 11:29 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

If your a good honest person and u sell shrooms/weed/good psychedelics then I think there’s no problem with it. As long as you have good intentions and care about people’s health than I say have at it. I think these medicines should be legalized but I don’t believe they should be controlled.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: SFS96]
    #26443416 - 01/20/20 04:06 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

There's the argument that selling shrooms for profit is bad because shrooms are sacred, and commercializing/capitalizing on them is unethical because it be profane to the spiritual or holy nature of shrooms. It would be like selling Communion at church or charging a cover fee to attend mass. I don't personally hold this belief but I can dig the logic. Thoughts?


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Hans Wermhat]
    #26443476 - 01/20/20 04:49 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Churches have done that maybe not specifically but for penance, only the most obviously corrupt though... some do charge for entrance i believe i dont know if they do it anymore but i remember hearing about it from a history teacher


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Backbone] * 1
    #26444078 - 01/20/20 11:20 PM (4 years, 8 days ago)

There are very few shroom dealers. It's like drug dealers who have shrooms too. I don't know enough people who take shrooms and the ones who do take them once a year. I wouldn't sell an oz a year.
Drug dealers in my town sell meth/heroin/cocaine, and some also carry mdma/K/psychedelics because they want to be a one stop for all your drug needs. Some people have ethical dilemma buying drugs from real drug dealers and not some festival hippie bum, I don't though.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: viraldrome] * 1
    #26444083 - 01/20/20 11:26 PM (4 years, 8 days ago)

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There are very few shroom dealers. It's like drug dealers who have shrooms too. I don't know enough people who take shrooms and the ones who do take them once a year. I wouldn't sell an oz a year.
Drug dealers in my town sell meth/heroin/cocaine, and some also carry mdma/K/psychedelics because they want to be a one stop for all your drug needs. Some people have ethical dilemma buying drugs from real drug dealers and not some festival hippie bum, I don't though.




Festival hippie bums have provided me the strongest acid i've ever experienced. so cool it on them.

However i do agree with your assertion of "bullshit^^^every word" on that other thread. I had to stop commenting there because i said my peice and wasn't worth debating the bullshit being said there.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Backbone]
    #26444249 - 01/21/20 03:59 AM (4 years, 8 days ago)

I would aruge there is some stigma for me for shroom dealers. Not because they are selling shrooms, but because the shrooms they sell are typically insanely potent and not very friendly on the mind or new comers. Hence Dealer Shrooms.

If Shroom Dealers grew shrooms more like how homegrown shrooms feel (gentle, introspective, friendly, not overly potent, calmer, more spiritual, less chaotic) then I would have more respect for them.

But since Dealer Shrooms (cubenis grown by expert growers for max potency) are so different than the pleasant feel of homegrown, I do have some animosity toward them. Do they even dose themselves? Do you really think that's how the shroom experience should go? I feel like they lack the understanding of their own shroom effects.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Hans Wermhat]
    #26444525 - 01/21/20 09:37 AM (4 years, 8 days ago)

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There's the argument that selling shrooms for profit is bad because shrooms are sacred, and commercializing/capitalizing on them is unethical because it be profane to the spiritual or holy nature of shrooms. It would be like selling Communion at church or charging a cover fee to attend mass. I don't personally hold this belief but I can dig the logic. Thoughts?



Hmm yes, see where you’re coming from there. So how about this...... I’m on an email list for the uk psychedelic society, and followed some links in their webpage to look into their “retreats”. They are held,in Holland using truffles, so it’s all legal. But here’s the snub; the cost is salary based, so if you earn a lot, you pay more. That’s fair enough. But you’re looking at approximately £2000 for a four day retreat. The price includes guides before and after, meals, bed, and the ceremony. But £2000, they milking it off us. I’d hazard a guess that any real world shroom dealer is more ethical than this legal setup......
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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26444875 - 01/21/20 06:06 PM (4 years, 8 days ago)

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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Backbone]
    #26445325 - 01/21/20 10:08 PM (4 years, 8 days ago)

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Do they?




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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26445416 - 01/21/20 11:23 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

But who just knows a mushroom dealer?


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26445455 - 01/22/20 12:15 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

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I would aruge there is some stigma for me for shroom dealers. Not because they are selling shrooms, but because the shrooms they sell are typically insanely potent and not very friendly on the mind or new comers. Hence Dealer Shrooms.

If Shroom Dealers grew shrooms more like how homegrown shrooms feel (gentle, introspective, friendly, not overly potent, calmer, more spiritual, less chaotic) then I would have more respect for them.

But since Dealer Shrooms (cubenis grown by expert growers for max potency) are so different than the pleasant feel of homegrown, I do have some animosity toward them. Do they even dose themselves? Do you really think that's how the shroom experience should go? I feel like they lack the understanding of their own shroom effects.




Is this a troll statement? :lol: it makes completely no sense to me.

This would only be true if all growers are growing penis envy over regular cubensis, which they're not


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #26445489 - 01/22/20 12:39 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

Not a troll statement, a statement based on actual experience buying dealer shrooms.

If youve ever bought legit dealer shrooms, you would know know exactly what Im talking about :yesnod:


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #26445492 - 01/22/20 12:41 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

:dawerp: obvious sarcasm is obvious


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26445510 - 01/22/20 01:07 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

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Not a troll statement, a statement based on actual experience buying dealer shrooms.

If youve ever bought legit dealer shrooms, you would know know exactly what Im talking about :yesnod:




This is a forum for spreading reliable information.

Someone selling their home grown mushrooms is no different than growing the mushrooms and consuming them yourself the only real difference is.. you sold them instead of ate them


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26445511 - 01/22/20 01:08 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

Worst trip of my life was on dealer shrooms. Interesting. Something about those mushrooms was fucking nasty. I jokingly attributed it to them having been grown in a place with bad vibes. Homegrown we’re always gentle.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: CountHTML]
    #26445513 - 01/22/20 01:10 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

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Worst trip of my life was on dealer shrooms. Interesting. Something about those mushrooms was fucking nasty. I jokingly attributed it to them having been grown in a place with bad vibes. Homegrown we’re always gentle.




It's not a joke, intentions are everything. Not all mushroom growers are out to rob people for money, every one I know grows them with the highest intention and with Love.

Now.. let's talk about that "dealer acid" and how it works the same way :smile:


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: CountHTML]
    #26445556 - 01/22/20 02:40 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

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Worst trip of my life was on dealer shrooms. Interesting. Something about those mushrooms was fucking nasty. I jokingly attributed it to them having been grown in a place with bad vibes. Homegrown we’re always gentle.




CountHTML gets it! I much prefer homegrown over dealer shrooms. Theres something odd about dealer cubes. Its almost like they are laced but they are not. They are just grown in such a way that makes a person "manic" when they take them.

Ive had a similar experience with wild Ps cyans. They feel pretty similar to dealer shrooms but still not as potent/mania-inducing as the dealer cubes.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26445765 - 01/22/20 07:45 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

Generally, dealers are dealers.
No one likes a car salesman's shtick nor their overpriced product. The same can be said for drug dealers.

The problem is that, generally, people selling mushrooms are salesmen and not growers. They don't much care about the origins of their product or the methods by which they fell into their hands - they just want good prices, bag appeal, and a steady connection to their source. They want money, and that's generally stingy and of the worst intention. They also generally sell a menagerie of drugs for that same capital desire, further degrading any sense of genuineness.

So... pair that with illegal black market transactions and an ICP poster tacked up on the wall with scotch tape and you have the worst possible experience with trying to find a means to enlighten yourself.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26445825 - 01/22/20 08:37 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

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The problem is that, generally, people selling mushrooms are salesmen and not growers. They don't much care about the origins of their product or the methods by which they fell into their hands




You just know the wrong people at that point. I know tons of mushroom dealers that grow for high spiritual intent, it's a spiritual mission for most of them, to get real medicine out to the world, to heal and raise consciousness within the world. Somebody has to get mushrooms out to the world, and there's a lot who are. It's about who you know, and who you choose to associate yourself with.


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CountHTML gets it! I much prefer homegrown over dealer shrooms. Theres something odd about dealer cubes. Its almost like they are laced but they are not. They are just grown in such a way that makes a person "manic" when they take them.

Ive had a similar experience with wild Ps cyans. They feel pretty similar to dealer shrooms but still not as potent/mania-inducing as the dealer cubes.




Okay :lol: well that makes even less sense, and I know you are trolling now. If "Dealer shrooms" feel similar to Ps. Cyan then it would probably be some great mushrooms.. Psilocybe cyanescense is my favorite mushroom, and anything grown from mother Earth has the highest most natural intention.

It seems you have made a weird belief system which correlates someone selling mushrooms which will make the trip potent and mania inducing, if that was true it would be my case too, but I have never had that experience.

Especially if you're relating cubensis being sold as comparative to Ps. Cyan hell that's the best mushroom in the world in my book.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #26445859 - 01/22/20 08:55 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

That's why I littered that statement with generalization.

I think most people are not as fortunate as you to have spiritual mushroom peddlers.

Most of those I know who grow mushrooms and revere them spiritually just give them out, only asking for an extremely fair price if someone else wants to distribute them. But even that first transaction starts the incremental process of washing away the purity of the intention.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: footpath]
    #26445883 - 01/22/20 09:04 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

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That's why I littered that statement with generalization.

I think most people are not as fortunate as you to have spiritual mushroom peddlers.

Most of those I know who grow mushrooms and revere them spiritually just give them out, only asking for an extremely fair price if someone else wants to distribute them. But even that first transaction starts the incremental process of washing away the purity of the intention.




Yes totally!

But not if the intention is to charge a fair price, that is economically doable for the individual. At the end of the day the growers I know(not the entirety) hold high moral values, and only allow their mushrooms to be re-sold to people with the same intentions, they also give a lot of their mushrooms away for free as well. But it also takes experience, knowledge and hard work to grow them as well as risk, this is usually why the price comes into play to simply make back the time you have put into them.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #26445911 - 01/22/20 09:18 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

To stand out in “business” your product needs to be unique or good quality to be succefull right?

I’ve had some average ones that always seem the same but one time way back  some hippies had some that they were adamant were strong. Told me not to eat more than 3.5. They weren’t hiking the price because of it either. Weren’t PE just normal cubes. They were great! Some of the best I’ve had!

Maybe they cloned or isolated? I don’t know maybe placebo but wanted to throw that in.

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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #26445914 - 01/22/20 09:19 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

It's true. No doubt, they do deserve the equal exchange for what they've put into it.

I try my best to just relate it to a passionate shiitake farmer who just needs the means to keep producing their beloved shiitakes to nourish the community - it's no fault of theirs that the necessary materials cost money to obtain. And their time should be valued in exchange for your nourishment.

But, unfortunately, there's an overwhelming amount of this guy:


Now, since we're talking about intention and all that, I don't want to label someone unfairly... maybe that lad genuinely just wants people to have a good time and feel better.
But... eh.
And, unfortunately still, that guy is the only resource for a lot of people. Perhaps most people.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: footpath]
    #26445935 - 01/22/20 09:30 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

I totally see your perspective and it is very sad! You can almost guarantee someone selling 1/8th for 50 has a very greedy intention, the only thing they want from you is the money, not for you to have a friendly loving experience. Only case in which this is not is if they purchased them for around the same(which would be highly unlikely unless from another greedy intention) and are trying to make a little back, which would make the seller have good intent, but the original vibration and mushroom designed with negative intent.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: footpath]
    #26445944 - 01/22/20 09:35 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

I dunno, I never really met a shroom (and nothing else) dealer. Didn’t think there’s real money in a substance that’s not addictive and not something that can be taken recreationally every day. Maybe there’s people selling some for grocery money or w.e., but mostly it’s drug dealers offering them as a side-treat. Usually the hippie ppl selling lsd, molly, maybe coke. Like “oh btw, I also have some gold caps bruh. Eat the caps for visuals and the stems for body load bruh.”

I’ve never thought worse of any drug dealer just cause they deal though:shrug:


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    #26445958 - 01/22/20 09:42 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

That is because most mushroom growers aren't street level dealers, they're not the ones openly selling the product, they sell by the pound, usually multiples of pounds at once to a few individuals, from there it trickles down


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #26445990 - 01/22/20 09:56 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

Sounds marginally profitable and immensely dumb:popcorn:

Just tried to find prices on DNMs and can’t find any mushies at all, except stones that are shipped from NL. $200 an oz:rofl2: they gotta be fucking kidding


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: feldman114]
    #26445993 - 01/22/20 09:58 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

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Sounds marginally profitable and immensely dumb:popcorn:

Just tried to find prices on DNMs and can’t find any mushies at all, except stones that are shipped from NL. $200 an oz:rofl2: they gotta be fucking kidding




Depends how many you grow.. they go for around $800 a pound around here and the people I know grow around 20 a month, and that's just a low level bulk grower. Do the math :smile: Ounces are $100 of real cubensis around here as well


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: feldman114]
    #26445998 - 01/22/20 10:00 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

Only profit I ever got from shrooms was trading them for buds. Though I’m not sure it can be called profit since that half lb of mush would have lasted me at least 6 months, but the 1/4lb of bud I got for it was gone in less than 2 lol


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #26446010 - 01/22/20 10:06 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

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Sounds marginally profitable and immensely dumb:popcorn:

Just tried to find prices on DNMs and can’t find any mushies at all, except stones that are shipped from NL. $200 an oz:rofl2: they gotta be fucking kidding




Depends how many you grow.. they go for around $800 a pound around here and the people I know grow around 20 a month, and that's just a low level bulk grower. Do the math :smile: ounces are $100 of real cubensis around here as well




Doesn’t matter how much you produce if the demand isn’t there though. Who’s gonna buy 20lbs per month lol. That’s almost an lb per day.

Let’s see...say one customer trips once every 2 weeks(average?). An lb a day means (at least) 128 doses sold daily. 128 people every day for 14 days - that’s 1792 people.
You think there’s 1792 different people who trip 3.5g every 2 weeks, living in the vicinity of the guy buying 20lbs/month?
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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: feldman114]
    #26446027 - 01/22/20 10:14 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

If you're near a metropolitan area, that's kind of nothing.
In the right city, club culture alone can probably consume 20lb in a weekend provided it's encapsulated or in a liquid - I hear MDMA and mushrooms are a fabulous combination.
Festivals weekends, you're looking at 10k+ people at one venue.

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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #26446078 - 01/22/20 10:37 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

A weird belief system based on personal experience my friend.

Well, the dealers Ive bought from didnt have the same spiritual mindset. Its a shame that more shroom dealers dont have that same mentality.

Also, im not fond of Ps cyans. Sure they are potent but theres too many side effects with them, at least for me. They feel semi-toxic. I'll stick to homegrown cubes.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: footpath]
    #26446080 - 01/22/20 10:38 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

Well shiiit...starting to sound pretty great lol

Although I doubt that of 10,000 ppl, there are 1,792 willing to eat 3.5g of shrooms, even at a music festival.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: feldman114]
    #26446085 - 01/22/20 10:40 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

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Well shiiit...starting to sound pretty great lol

Although I doubt that of 10,000 ppl, there are 1,792 willing to eat 3.5g of shrooms, even at a music festival.




I'll just say he has no problem selling all of them, and actually has demand for much much more. He doesn't sell them to people that trip on small amounts.. he sells them to resalers. It's all about network and connections. The Mycelic Network. 💙

There is a HUGE demand for mushrooms right now in USA, probably hundreds of thousands of pounds, of course you gotta know the people that want them to sell them.


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    #26446103 - 01/22/20 10:48 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

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Although I doubt that of 10,000 ppl, there are 1,792 willing to eat 3.5g of shrooms, even at a music festival.




True. But look at Bonnaroo, for instance - their low end attendance is 80,000+ for four days.
And there are festivals around that scale or larger at least four times a year probably on either coast of the US.

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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: footpath]
    #26446133 - 01/22/20 11:01 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

I...I have no rebuke :thatsinteresting:


But I feel like I should leave this here for posterity:
selling droogz is WrOnG and I would NeVeR do such a thing.
My fav hobbies are paying taxes and fundraising for the NYPD.
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    #26446138 - 01/22/20 11:05 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

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I...I have no rebuke :thatsinteresting:


But I feel like I should leave this here for posterity:
selling droogz is WrOnG and I would NeVeR do such a thing.
My fav hobbies are paying taxes and fundraising for the NYPD.
:cophappy:  :trollcop:




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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26446226 - 01/22/20 12:01 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

Totally man. These are all just crazy stories I've heard.

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    #26446306 - 01/22/20 12:42 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

haha nice :wink:


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #26502730 - 02/25/20 08:06 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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There's society stigmas around any dealer. It's mostly ignorance when it comes to plant medicines and psychedelics, there's nothing wrong with selling plant medicines besides the fact that it's illegal.

But look what Marijuana growers did for decades... it's the same thing.. eventually will be legalized




This.

People choosing non violent, eco-friendly, community building ways to feed their families and not hurt all the time is everything but wrong. Most people do much worse for their $.

If this is you then don't fret, I still love you and thanks for risking your safety so folks can heal and try to make sense of something bigger than them that they're part of.:heart::mushroom2:


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26503165 - 02/25/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I would aruge there is some stigma for me for shroom dealers. Not because they are selling shrooms, but because the shrooms they sell are typically insanely potent and not very friendly on the mind or new comers. Hence Dealer Shrooms.

If Shroom Dealers grew shrooms more like how homegrown shrooms feel (gentle, introspective, friendly, not overly potent, calmer, more spiritual, less chaotic) then I would have more respect for them.

But since Dealer Shrooms (cubenis grown by expert growers for max potency) are so different than the pleasant feel of homegrown, I do have some animosity toward them. Do they even dose themselves? Do you really think that's how the shroom experience should go? I feel like they lack the understanding of their own shroom effects.





  I agree the majority of those selling mushrooms have little to no understanding of mycology; either on their own or from a friend find out they can find and follow a tek online and grow enough to sell. Of-course they continue this jump to conclusions behavior and see a few threads stating PE are the most potent, not understanding at all that this is the rare exception to "a cube is a cube". Now they're selling mushrooms that are comparable to a 5 hour DMT trip instead of selling an enjoyable high that one can function on if they'd like to do something other that be "laid up/outta their mind" for the duration of the trip. Now un-intentionally they have actually turned many off to the mushroom experience by overloading them with arguably the most potent variety.

  Seen it more than once unfortunately...


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: O_Dweeds]
    #26503465 - 02/25/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I'd argue that most people growing mushrooms have little to no understanding of mycology.
It doesn't make them any more or less genuine.

But yeah, I agree with the rest.
Dealers with only the intention of dealing the most profitable product are contemptible throughout, no matter the product being dealt.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: footpath]
    #26503470 - 02/25/20 03:55 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

My weed connect sent out a new menu the other day, with shrooms for the first time ever..$25/g for “Cambodian Supers” wtf ever that means


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: feldman114]
    #26503849 - 02/25/20 07:00 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

$25/g!!!

Thats ridiculous.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: footpath]
    #26503900 - 02/25/20 07:31 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I'd argue that most people growing mushrooms have little to no understanding of mycology.
It doesn't make them any more or less genuine.

But yeah, I agree with the rest.
Dealers with only the intention of dealing the most profitable product are contemptible throughout, no matter the product being dealt.





  I meant "the majority growing to sell" got into mushrooms 100% to make money. 
Instead of consciousness expansion/awareness/helping themselves and/or others, and then got into growing for profit which is much more rare. The latter are the dealers who offer strains and provide what they truly believe will be most enjoyed, and beneficial, while participating in capitalism. In short they put in the work.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: feldman114]
    #26503910 - 02/25/20 07:38 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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My weed connect sent out a new menu the other day, with shrooms for the first time ever..$25/g for “Cambodian Supers” wtf ever that means




Outrageous!
Fishing for anyone who'll bend over for $80+ for 3.5 g :thatsallfolks:

Do yourself a favor and delete that child's number


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: O_Dweeds]
    #26504172 - 02/25/20 10:33 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

He’s the only one I got who delivers for small amounts of b00dah so I can’t:rasta:. But I’m gonna ask him to see them - maybe they’re azures or at least pans...


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: feldman114]
    #26504189 - 02/25/20 10:58 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Might as well learn to grow yer own at that price!


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    #26504252 - 02/26/20 12:54 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I might possibly know something of the sort. Maybe possibly sort of????? Then again maybe not who knows???        (^^^^) If I did though they would keep many different strains of cubes and do a annual Panapaluza if only
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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: HGBuckWheat]
    #26504308 - 02/26/20 02:39 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I am fully in support of people who sell all illegal drugs of all classes. Fuck the government. Liberty.

Sure people who have fully eaten the blue pill might think people who sell mushrooms or any other substance are "bad". But that's how they were trained to think. Monkeys repeating phrases and believing stories without having any basis or expanded perspective on the subject. It's almost a religious stance, being taught as a young person something and refusing to consider any information that might contradict that embedded belief. Superstition.

People should capitalise in the trade of psychedelics. Competition forces quality and price to improve.

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    #26504321 - 02/26/20 03:00 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

What’s better than cheap good drugs, northerner?......Free good drugs 🤓


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26504341 - 02/26/20 03:38 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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What’s better than cheap good drugs, northerner?......Free good drugs 🤓



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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Northerner]
    #26504491 - 02/26/20 08:11 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

The largest percentage of people here shunning you for your profits or aspirations are balls deep themselves. It goes like that in every facat everywhere. It's also a self preservation tactic, the subconscious mind sees others enter the arena some want to protect the arena itself but most want to protect their own works. Thats how it can go with anything that has a demand and is capable of pruducing value. "It's morally wrong" "It's nature it should be free." Those are the people selling the most and the types of people running reteats brewing aya. They arnt going to show you how to produce your own safe medicine...thats against their interests. It aint all that deep here, because we will show you how to. Bug just have a few people turn around and say bu th don't dare make a little something for yourself for your own works and investments. Its the risk only you decide to take so if you do and stick to it no ones opinion should effect you or you are not in correct mental posistion to grow drugs in illegal places let alone sell them.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Grungeman17]
    #26504534 - 02/26/20 08:56 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

At the end of the day, if it gives access to people to be able to use it, it's pretty alright.
I buy cars even though I think I'm getting took. But I can thus drive around wherever I want.
I don't think to myself, 'does this guy really know how a car works...?' I'm just like, 'alright, that's a fair enough price.'

We've already addressed the work/resources/risk : reasonable profit. But that's not most people.
Most 'shroom dealers' are just your run-of-the-mill lower-tier drug dealer. Not anybody of great repute or dignity that you'd like to be buying anything from. They don't care about your safety or your enlightenment. They just want your money.
And, sure. Make an 'honest living' or whatever the fuck you'd call it.
The stigma doesn't come from the legality of it, but from being a sleazy money-hungry salesmen with no regard for their customer.
Which, let's face it, most people in all businesses are that. It's how you stay in business.

It's just a matter of what you can sign your name on.
Quite frankly, I'd rather fix a car myself and grow my own shrooms.
I'd rather pay parts manufacturers and grain mills than stingy salesmen.

Some people just want to take their car to Pep Boys and buy their drugs from a juggalo.
It's easier, but you pay a premium for it and the potential to break down is higher.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: footpath]
    #26504825 - 02/26/20 12:49 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

The first time i ever gave shrooms to anyone was my family I dont know if i really believe in enlightenment lol if someone claims theyre enlightened im not going to attack them though. i was interested if i could make a little bit of money no doubt but im not selling heroin so im not going to act like im doing them a favor, when im not. One of the beauties of mushrooms is that it is an obscure "drug" compared to other "drugs" you cant sell them in mass, or enough to survive lol If there is any shadyness tbh I would conjecture its coming from someone who thinks they understand enlightenment but i mean...lol no one dies from shrooms. and. no doubt. if i can do something myself id rather learn how to, regarding safety, like, if you have a mental illness specifically something like schizophrenia lol well if youre giving shrooms to someone who swears they see shadows yeah youre a fucking moron. safety. But if they dont tell you anything, lol then at least thats not as bad as knowing youre going to fuck someone's life up but do it for profit, whos the real addict in that situation, i know which one im giving sympathy towards anyways.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Backbone] * 1
    #26504848 - 02/26/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

People exaggerate enlightenment to mean some kind of reaching of nirvana or something like that.
If you don't think you've been enlightened by psychedelics, you just need to familiarize yourself with the extent of the definition.

Unless you take the definition as simply meaning knowledgeable, anyone who thinks they're enlightened past the level of anyone else is kind of an asshole.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Backbone]
    #26504862 - 02/26/20 01:16 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I'm ALL for capitalism; in-case my previous statements were misunderstood.
All I was saying is, like any free market, there is going to be a majority of sellers who have a minimal understanding of the product they are selling (quicker to sell/quicker to profit); and then a smaller portion who have put in the time to research and fully understand what they are capitalizing on, which ultimately leads to a much better product and experience for the customer. Both are still necessary. If you're here you definitely should not be paying for mushrooms that aren't exactly what you want.

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    #26504882 - 02/26/20 01:31 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

im growing my own mushrooms 99 perecent of the time


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Backbone]
    #26504885 - 02/26/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

My mushrooms are helping me grow 100% of the time
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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: O_Dweeds]
    #26504887 - 02/26/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Necessary, yeah... kinda. Like I said - at the end of the day, if it gives access to people to be able to use it, it's pretty alright.
But that doesn't really take away the stigma of the general car salesmen or drug dealer... they're literally disgraceful people because of their actions.
No one's here to say that spore vendors/breeders have a stigma against them. Just 'shroom dealers'.
I'm here to say that, while it doesn't have to be that way, only a very low percentage of your 'shroom dealers' are genuine growers only looking to make a fair and reciprocal transaction.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: footpath]
    #26504896 - 02/26/20 01:38 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

In post-USSR countries, there’s a special insult reserved only for resellers. “Boriga”
It’s usually said against drug dealers, but also used when you’re outraged with the price of something.

I think it’s one of the veeeery few positive effects of Stalinism...society looks down on anyone who isn’t adding value to their products.

Just thought it’s worth bringing up in this context. The western “anti-shroom” stigma applies to regular stores, used car dealerships, etc. in some places. In other words, the stigma is not inherent to shrooms, so it’s bound to end sooner or later.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: footpath]
    #26504897 - 02/26/20 01:38 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

footpath said:
Necessary, yeah... kinda. Like I said - at the end of the day, if it gives access to people to be able to use it, it's pretty alright.
But that doesn't really take away the stigma of the general car salesmen or drug dealer... they're literally disgraceful people because of their actions.
No one's here to say that spore vendors/breeders have a stigma against them. Just 'shroom dealers'.
I'm here to say that, while it doesn't have to be that way, only a very low percentage of your 'shroom dealers' are genuine growers only looking to make a fair and reciprocal transaction.




  If you are ripped of buying a car, house, or whatever you have only yourself to blame. You are responsible for looking at in detail before buying anything. (Personally I don't know shit about auto mechanics, but I take a vehicle to someone who does before buying) Then if the price is worth the cost for you, buy it. Buyer's remorse is the buyer's fault. If the price is truly wack, no one buys, then they make no sale, and adjustments must be made.

I've never had "shroom dealers", however I have met many who sell them.</font></font>


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: footpath]
    #26504903 - 02/26/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

And it is as necessary in capitalism for both the sellers as it is the buyers. A profit must initially be made for the distribution to progress, in size & evolution of product.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: O_Dweeds]
    #26504914 - 02/26/20 01:51 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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And it is as necessary in capitalism for both the sellers as it is the buyers. A profit must initially be made for the distribution to progress, in size & evolution of product.




Well, not really. Capitalism can exist without a reseller network. Producers often sell directly to consumers in other industries.


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    #26504918 - 02/26/20 01:53 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I appreciate the lesson in economics. But I've clearly asserted that it's up to the individual to find a fair price. Profits can still be had with fair prices.
But 'fair' is grossly inflated depending on many factors - one of those major factors being the trend of what stingy salesmen can get away with selling something for. Just because a gullible or uninformed individual buys it doesn't take away the initial disgraceful act of the salesman.

edit: What is considered disgraceful, dishonorable, shameful, etc. has next to nothing to do with economics... except in terms of employing dis/honorable tactics as a way to economic prosperity. Which has been my point the whole time. So, if you're like most people explicitly out for gains when selling mushrooms, you're dishonorable and there's a stigma against you.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: footpath]
    #26504996 - 02/26/20 02:41 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

What footpath just said, and......

Remembering back over 35 years to economics A level; The Law of Supply and Demand.

Basically, if you supply something, then there will be a demand.
If there is a demand for something, then somebody will supply it.
If the price is cheap, the demand will be high; if the price is high, the demand will be low. If the demand is high, the price will be high, if..... do you get the point of this law?

Basically we need to be clear what the stigma of buying “shrooms” from “shroom dealers” is actually about? Is it about their high prices? In which case, don’t buy. Is it because they are selling a sacrament?

Let’s be clear folks, as I’m not clear what the discussion has tended towards.

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    #26505114 - 02/26/20 04:12 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I think shrooms dealers are entitled to charge whatever people are willing to pay, because they take the risk in a tiny market to bring something that can be life changing.

This doesn't make them scummy or anything else, because your average Joe Bloe doesn't have the wherewithal to sort out their own shrooms. They just want to get some shrooms and eat them. Maybe if they like them then they'll start growing monotubs or walking around in paddocks looking for their own. But in the meanwhile they can get what they want for a price.

People who have grown and hunted before laugh at the prices and scoff at the shrooms dealers, but that's because they can get their own for next to nothing. I think this is where the stigma comes in a lot. People charging $10+ a gram for something that you can just walk around and pick up or make a box explode with seems like a rip off. But it's not. It's a service as well as a supply.

I've heard the arguments before against selling naturally occurring tryptamines, being sacraments and stuff. But this sounds like people projecting their experiential beliefs on to the rest of world and expecting them to comply. Then when they don't comply start believing that somehow there's a stigma around those people. It's like a religious prejudice almost. Silly monkeys.


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    #26505129 - 02/26/20 04:20 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I appreciate the lesson in economics. But I've clearly asserted that it's up to the individual to find a fair price. Profits can still be had with fair prices.
But 'fair' is grossly inflated depending on many factors - one of those major factors being the trend of what stingy salesmen can get away with selling something for. Just because a gullible or uninformed individual buys it doesn't take away the initial disgraceful act of the salesman.

edit: What is considered disgraceful, dishonorable, shameful, etc. has next to nothing to do with economics... except in terms of employing dis/honorable tactics as a way to economic prosperity. Which has been my point the whole time. So, if you're like most people explicitly out for gains when selling mushrooms, you're dishonorable and there's a stigma against you.



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    #26505145 - 02/26/20 04:28 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I think shrooms dealers are entitled to charge whatever people are willing to pay, because they take the risk in a tiny market to bring something that can be life changing.

This doesn't make them scummy or anything else, because your average Joe Bloe doesn't have the wherewithal to sort out their own shrooms. They just want to get some shrooms and eat them. Maybe if they like them then they'll start growing monotubs or walking around in paddocks looking for their own. But in the meanwhile they can get what they want for a price.

People who have grown and hunted before laugh at the prices and scoff at the shrooms dealers, but that's because they can get their own for next to nothing. I think this is where the stigma comes in a lot. People charging $10+ a gram for something that you can just walk around and pick up or make a box explode with seems like a rip off. But it's not. It's a service as well as a supply.

I've heard the arguments before against selling naturally occurring tryptamines, being sacraments and stuff. But this sounds like people projecting their experiential beliefs on to the rest of world and expecting them to comply. Then when they don't comply start believing that somehow there's a stigma around those people. It's like a religious prejudice almost. Silly monkeys.




  Exactly! The ones who usually whine and complain are the ones who change their mind (Regret) after they bought them.
  Anything could have set them off from someone telling them they paid too much, to down the road finding a better price, or (my personal favorite) like anything in this world saying "I could have made that myself."
  Ahh the stigma illusion, it's as real as the ego. It helps some feel better about their choices.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: O_Dweeds]
    #26505183 - 02/26/20 04:44 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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You really didn't read this thread before jumping in.




Elaborate, if you don't mind.
I was a participant in this thread long before you and contributed to a fair amount of its initial discussion.

I don't see where I've closed the door on anyone's opinion or kept anything but an open mind in regard to what constitutes the stigma against shroom dealers or lack thereof. I even agree and incorporate your own views on it, but you seem to misunderstand what I'm saying.

This whole thread is a simply just a poll on what subjective views we have on the morality of selling psychedelic mushrooms and what kind of psychedelic mushroom seller is morally acceptable or contemptible. There's no right or wrong. I think some dealers are skeevy douchebags. I think some dealers are honest growers. I don't think selling is inherently wrong, I just think there's a certain conduct that would designate someone with a stigma.
That's all that's being asked - Is there a stigma? Does it bother you? I dabble in yes's and no's for each question.

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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: footpath]
    #26505703 - 02/26/20 11:37 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Someone dedicating time $ or effort to learn to provide a clean safe experience for other people should be compensated for their time. The guy risking imprisonment or death (in some places) so the guy with bad ptsd can feel better about life should be compensated. How can you put a "fair" price on things like that? Generally possession is one thing but these"dealers" are risking much more serious consequences like losing their friends, family, and going to jail or losing their head.

It is rare in this world that any "dealers" get rich off of what they do. Most are just trying to put food on the table. They take a huge risk so others can find a piece of something different or some kind of understanding.

Every "market" has people who use tactics to dominate each other or be dicks, but that is the minority of the community.

If it weren't for people taking these risks I would not have found these sacraments so easily (before the internet). Charging a price for sacrament and it's preparation is a time honored Shamanistic tradition. Would you want someone who is not 100% dedicated to the craft to prepare sacrament for you? I wouldn't. Does the shaman who spends every day communing with plants/animals/fungi and learning how to utilize and safely prepare them for people with respect and understanding not have to feed his family and keep food in the house? It takes a whole community to fill all the needs. we all have different roles.

The only thing these people should get is respect and protection by a community who cherishes the things they bring to the table.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Northerner]
    #26505766 - 02/27/20 01:08 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Absolutely, northerner,

I think this is “a big problem with psychedelics”; people have a profound life-changing experience, “see the light”, then come back to reality and start spouting their new life beliefs to anyone who will or who will not listen!

Watched a “Quentin Experiment” YouTube video recently. I like the way he talks, but he has a lot of experience to pick up yet! But he talks about how we can persuade the rest of the world about the benefits of psychedelics. Basicallly he says we need to stop ramming our beliefs down people’s throats, and let our actions speak, ie. our changed behaviour provokes questions, to which we can then introduce that we’ve been taking psychedelics sensibly and benefiting.

I have no issue with “shroom dealers”; as you say, they provide a service. People get their first experience (because they don’t have friends to show them how to safely pick psychedelics) from a dealer, like what they experience, realise if they want to continue with psychedelics then the only economic way forward is to learn to grow and pick your own 👍🏻

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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Nichrome]
    #26505876 - 02/27/20 04:53 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

For every shaman, there are many bruja. For every ethical seller, there are many unethical sellers.
My argument isn't that there's a stigma about making money, it's that there's a predominant category of sellers who are unethical, dishonest, and disgraceful - which allow stigmas to form. Even giving it away for free wouldn't change that conduct.

It's simply not semantically sound to choose the argument that stigma itself is illusory or exempt because of the nature of the subject. Just because you don't agree with the reasoning behind someone's stigma, it doesn't cease to exist. Even to argue that it shouldn't exist is acknowledging its existence and how it's bothersome.
I don't agree with the stigma against vaccination, but I'm not going to claim that it isn't there.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: footpath]
    #26506443 - 02/27/20 12:42 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

The stigma is there for sure. It really is a shame. I do indeed acknowledge that and understand why. I hope that that changes over time as people gain understanding. I definitely am not making an "argument".:shrug:

Personally I meet a lot more ethical sellers than creeps.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Nichrome]
    #26506471 - 02/27/20 01:04 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, I should express that my arguing isn't with explicit persuasion, but I do intend to not have my reasoning misunderstood or discredited by selective excerption (not accusing you of that).

I stated early on that, while many may be fortunate to have people of good character as a source for their plant medicines, I have heavy doubt that that's the common situation. Which, I also hope can change with more understanding and a more saturated market.
If people have the option between some seedy bloke who has a black market pharmacy of unknown quality drugs or a genuine merchant who sells different species/varieties of psychedelic mushrooms... I think the choice is pretty obvious, even if the latter has a bit higher price tag.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: footpath]
    #26508705 - 02/28/20 06:18 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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If people have the option between some seedy bloke who has a black market pharmacy of unknown quality drugs or a genuine merchant who sells different species/varieties of psychedelic mushrooms... I think the choice is pretty obvious, even if the latter has a bit higher price tag.




  On this I completely agree; except that illegal/legal means nothing for safety/quality (the same stuff from the pharmacy is also an available black market option or the seller has their product tested for purity/content). And the most addictive, deadliest molecules are both sold and produced legally (Fent, benzodiazepines). 

Either, as you stated, providing properly produced strains that are proven to be enjoyable to all. One example: Golden Teachers, where in my experience seeing and talking with countless times where everyone enjoyed them, regardless of setting. Or also offering a wide selection.

Too many who just searched for first bulk tek, bought PE MS because they read how it is insanely potent and watched them ruin the mushroom experience for countless first time users. Not to mention seeing many contaminated mushrooms still being sold even after being shown. Then given to others who after ingesting reported back heavy purging not knowing they've also been poisoned.


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    #26509144 - 02/29/20 02:25 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

We bought some weed a few months back and I kid you not, it had grey mould in it; that shit can kill you! Needless to say I threw it in the bin. Never had mould when I grew my own, and would certainly never consider selling stuff on that could be harmful.

Maybe weed dealers are less scrupulous than mushroom dealers?


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: O_Dweeds]
    #26509479 - 02/29/20 09:31 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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If people have the option between some seedy bloke who has a black market pharmacy of unknown quality drugs or a genuine merchant who sells different species/varieties of psychedelic mushrooms... I think the choice is pretty obvious, even if the latter has a bit higher price tag.




  On this I completely agree; except that illegal/legal means nothing for safety/quality (the same stuff from the pharmacy is also an available black market option or the seller has their product tested for purity/content). And the most addictive, deadliest molecules are both sold and produced legally (Fent, benzodiazepines). 

Either, as you stated, providing properly produced strains that are proven to be enjoyable to all. One example: Golden Teachers, where in my experience seeing and talking with countless times where everyone enjoyed them, regardless of setting. Or also offering a wide selection.

Too many who just searched for first bulk tek, bought PE MS because they read how it is insanely potent and watched them ruin the mushroom experience for countless first time users. Not to mention seeing many contaminated mushrooms still being sold even after being shown. Then given to others who after ingesting reported back heavy purging not knowing they've also been poisoned.




Is this all speculation or you have actually met people like this and had these experiences? Sounds really hypothetical and not based in reality...


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Nichrome]
    #26511424 - 03/01/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

It's not great for business selling shrooms that make people sick. They're not gonna keep coming back for that. I guess it could happen, but it's pretty amatuer.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Northerner]
    #26511446 - 03/01/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

NO! Its a kind of work/passion. There are some guys that just want to feel high - for those you should make money with your hard work. It is up to you if you want to make friends or money. It was always like that. Why people make money on LSD ? - its also a psychodelic, but you need alot of chemistry knowledge that you can sell or just give. What is the difference between a shroom or lsd? everyone should have the choice.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: patapon333]
    #26511868 - 03/01/20 07:16 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

There's a more than understandable fine line. One should not shit where they eat. And your focus should be general awareness, image, getting even deeper your social credibility, that goes along way...working a real job and living an honest life.And it's my opinion you can make and veiw your shroom grow as honest, as least to yourself and passed on to your customers. Some of my buddys back in the day on text would hit me for some "train tickets" All aboard indeed...


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Grungeman17]
    #26512725 - 03/02/20 12:03 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I have never sold mushrooms. Though just over a year ago I gave 5g to a colleague who is depressed. I’d been speaking to him for weeks, Nd checking loads of stuff out because I felt really responsible. He assured me he had a trip sitter. Turned out he didn’t, he lives alone, and took the 5g dry as his first ever mushroom dose. I have some voicemails from him - they are wild. His phone stayed on and I could hear him talking to entities.......

But that’s not the point of the story. A few days later at work (to keep anonymity, let’s call my colleague “Arsehole”.). A few days later, went into the kitchen at work and my boss  and a few other guys said; “hey look, here is Arsehole’s mushroom dealer!”

I’ll never give mushrooms out again, unless it’s my bestie 👍🏻

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    #26512757 - 03/02/20 12:23 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I really like that testimony, there is a good damn chance that if you make a mistake on the peeps you gift them to, the potential for negative outcomes are there. I believe there is enough money to be in medicinal gormet edibals in some areas even on a small scale can be profitable. To your average joe shrooms just arnt a profitable thing, but when you start talking morels around here, things get crazy... This year I am blending up some good fruits with wood chips and i'm going to make a five gallon bucket of h20 salt and molasses, let it sit with an air stone for agitation, and finally spread the syrup amougnst the acreage.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26512767 - 03/02/20 12:27 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

If I’m being completely honest, I’d love to be a shroom dealer. No PD is “cracking down” on shrooms and none of the customers fiend for it, so they wouldn’t blow my phone up and shit...But the demand is just not there.

But before you write me off as an un-principled trash bag, know that I’ve given away tens of pounds to friends, their friends, their acquaintances, and anyone who happened to walk past me at a number of concerts. All these people have to pay is attention, when I explain the do’s/don’t’s, set/setting, etc. It’s a great feeling, especially if I hear that they’ve never tried mushies before. I just get a certain satisfaction from making sure more people fall in love with them.

As for “dealer” dealers, here’s an anecdote:
One time a dude offered me 7g of truffles at a concert like “they’ll blow yo mind mang, you don even know, yo.”. I tried to educate him about potency but he wouldn’t listen, so we ended up trading 3.5 of cubes for them. We were both on our respective fungi already, so we topped up. Long story short, I barely felt the truffles, while he accused me of lacing my shit with LSD:rofl2:
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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: feldman114]
    #26512814 - 03/02/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I dont think id ever go to a concert and hand out shrooms, im not a good salesman


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    #26512837 - 03/02/20 01:03 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

It’s easy if you don’t ask for anything in return
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    #26512880 - 03/02/20 01:31 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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If I’m being completely honest, I’d love to be a shroom dealer. No PD is “cracking down” on shrooms and none of the customers fiend for it, so they wouldn’t blow my phone up and shit...But the demand is just not there.

But before you write me off as an un-principled trash bag, know that I’ve given away tens of pounds to friends, their friends, their acquaintances, and anyone who happened to walk past me at a number of concerts. All these people have to pay is attention, when I explain the do’s/don’t’s, set/setting, etc. It’s a great feeling, especially if I hear that they’ve never tried mushies before. I just get a certain satisfaction from making sure more people fall in love with them.

As for “dealer” dealers, here’s an anecdote:
One time a dude offered me 7g of truffles at a concert like “they’ll blow yo mind mang, you don even know, yo.”. I tried to educate him about potency but he wouldn’t listen, so we ended up trading 3.5 of cubes for them. We were both on our respective fungi already, so we topped up. Long story short, I barely felt the truffles, while he accused me of lacing my shit with LSD:rofl2:
So yeah, not all shroom dealers are “shroomy”...or smart




I felt the same way, before I helped my “mate”. I feel he’s spoilt it for all the people I could have helped, and introduced to mushrooms.

But I’m still spreading the word, as innocuously and professionally as I’m able 👍🏻

Once the potential for 14 years in jail has been removed when they’re decriminalised, maybe then I’ll try to help people out. Or maybe just point them to the Shroomery.......

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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26512931 - 03/02/20 02:02 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I always point them at the shroomery.  Saves a lot of time and sorting out.  The fungus will find you if you want it to.


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    #26513161 - 03/02/20 04:22 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I'm glad at the healthy approach of many people here.

Once we start giving out psychedelics for money like everyday consume good, people will become careless and might hurt themselves.
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    #26513909 - 03/03/20 03:15 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

footpath, it sounds like your entire argument is based upon the "A few bad apples..." metaphor. It can be an attractive position to take, because it allows one to endow mushroom growing, cultivating, eating, and sales with being so sacred that it needs to be a purely spiritual endeavor. This is fine if the context is religious or sacrosanct, but we also live in a physical world and the majority of the west, and even most of the east these days, embrace some form of capitalism and a free market economy. I get your desire to elevate mushrooms to the level of sacred and ceremonial, and from that position, its easy to deduce that by selling to people, even if you are a very honest, reputable, even spiritual grower and seller, your casting your lots with the charlatans and the snake-oil salesmen, and this conjures up images like the one you posted early in this thread, as well as some used car salesman with slicked back hair employing sleazy sales tactics to sell as many cars as possible.

Moreover, you are also asserting the position that selling mushrooms to make some money, no matter how honest you may be, is automatically bad because of the stigma surrounding disreputable drug dealers.

You know what the problem with your position is, though? You are assuming that this is exclusive to shrooms. I can tell you right now that every profession worth mentioning has a stigma that even reputable members of have to contend with. Just as an honest shroom dealer looking to score some cash does. If a man wants to be a car salesman, no matter how honest and upstanding he is, he will always carry the stigma of the sleazy dealers. I am a chiropractor, and I can name not one, but perhaps a dozen stigmas my profession has foisted on me, due to many unscrupulous or wackadoo practitioners.

The point is, stigma shmigma, who cares? If someone wants to make money selling shrooms, I say Godspeed to you! Screw the stigma, screw the reality that many of your so-called competitors are scuzzy drug dealers who would sell to kids in the playground if they thought they could get away with it. Just do your thing if that's what you're called to do. The day you discard a financial path because some people in it are disgusting people is the day you should just resign yourself to going on welfare and never having a job of any kind again.


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    #26513952 - 03/03/20 04:56 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Ooooooo.


You are going to have to put some of footpaths quotes into your post for me.

I just reread the last few of footpaths posts, at least back to the car salesman metaphor.... I think you are possibly responding to the wrong person, or taking his arguments in a way he didn’t intend, or god forbid, intentional misrepresentation.

I might be wrong.... but I am not connecting your post with much of what he said. Quoting would help.

I don’t think he is assuming it’s only shrooms..... that’s why the car dealer metaphor?

I also didn’t see anywhere that he implied all shrooms sold are bad, mmmkay.

I’m not sure he even wants to exclusively elevate shrooms to the sacred..... several times in a few posts, he has said “hey do what ya want”





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    #26513964 - 03/03/20 05:08 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Ooooooo.





Okay, I'll re-read the thread. If I unintentionally misrepresented your post, footpath, I sincerely apologize. I thought you were the one railing against people endeavoring to make a living or side living selling shrooms.

Edit: I just re-read the entire thread, and I definitely, albeit unintentionally, took footpath completely out of context. My apologies, footpath.


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    #26514032 - 03/03/20 06:28 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

The ONLY thing that's shitty about giving out mushrooms or selling them - is somehow someway I feel responsible for them when they take them.

Then itll come back to haunt you like "what the fuck did you give me".. if they have a bad trip or something and it escalates into something so much more than what you intended. And all you were doing was trying to share the experience.

This is why I only give out mushrooms to people I'm hanging out with that I know well. My buddy's and I go on hikes, I'll break out some capsules and if they say they want some, I don't hesitate.

That's the thing about mushrooms too - it's not like "oh fuck yeah I want some", "oh me too, me too!"

When I ask or they look at me it's always a "should I or should I not" type of vibe lol. Mushrooms definitely aren't the drugs to get abused in that sense. Which it definitely does make it hard so sell them if that's your thing. I've sold some of my stash a few times. Ounces for $50. Everyone's happy. But it was more of a favor. And the only reason I charged was because I didn't want people saying "oh you're giving me these free.. why.." lol.

So I just told people I have a connection that picks them out in the wild and has an absurd amount so he sells me them for dirt cheap.

Everyone wins
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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast] * 1
    #26514454 - 03/03/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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The ONLY thing that's shitty about giving out mushrooms or selling them - is somehow someway I feel responsible for them when they take them.

Then itll come back to haunt you like "what the fuck did you give me".. if they have a bad trip or something and it escalates into something so much more than what you intended. And all you were doing was trying to share the experience.

This is why I only give out mushrooms to people I'm hanging out with that I know well. My buddy's and I go on hikes, I'll break out some capsules and if they say they want some, I don't hesitate.

That's the thing about mushrooms too - it's not like "oh fuck yeah I want some", "oh me too, me too!"

When I ask or they look at me it's always a "should I or should I not" type of vibe lol. Mushrooms definitely aren't the drugs to get abused in that sense. Which it definitely does make it hard so sell them if that's your thing. I've sold some of my stash a few times. Ounces for $50. Everyone's happy. But it was more of a favor. And the only reason I charged was because I didn't want people saying "oh you're giving me these free.. why.." lol.

So I just told people I have a connection that picks them out in the wild and has an absurd amount so he sells me them for dirt cheap.

Everyone wins
:anticipation:




Absolutely, vibe_entusiast. That’s exactly where I was coming from. With the colleague I referred to, I did so much research on his behalf, because I felt responsible. One thing he’d told me was he got his anti-depressants of the dark web (SNRIs), but then one night drinking his customary bottle or two of Prosecco, he blacked out. When he woke up he’d smashed his iPhone against the wall, smashed his Xbox, and put his fist through his telly! That’s why I tried to help him. Then he assured me he had a trip sitter and he wouldn’t do the full 5g. But he had no sitter, did the full 5g. What a TWAT!

Recently though, same thing for my bestie. Again done loads of research (he has no health issues.....) and spoke to loads of peeps on here. Unfortunately he’s now gone to Germany, so I’ll have to probably wait 3 years till he returns.

As PrimalSoup said above; just point them to the shroomery and let them decide. If it’s right, the mushrooms will find them.

Mush love people,
DJ Ed


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 2
    #26514479 - 03/03/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Okay, I'll re-read the thread. If I unintentionally misrepresented your post, footpath, I sincerely apologize. I thought you were the one railing against people endeavoring to make a living or side living selling shrooms.

Edit: I just re-read the entire thread, and I definitely, albeit unintentionally, took footpath completely out of context. My apologies, footpath.



All good, buddy.
I'm not claiming that my views are any more right than anyone else's. I'm one to usually submit to nihilism... moral codes are fickle and, with that, terms like 'disgrace'.
And that's why I particularly like language.
No matter what an individual may think/feel about this discussion... there is, without a doubt, a stigma that is assigned to shroom (and any) dealers. And people find it bothersome. People even find it bothersome that a stigma exists. So, it's kind of a rhetorical question when it comes down to it.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: footpath]
    #26514821 - 03/03/20 03:24 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Obviously theres a stigma on people who ingest psychedelics, starting with hippies, then i think people like terrence mckenna came along, and we started to take them more seriously like how everything literally everything ever is treated by people, first doubt and ridicule then serious consideration, just our resistance to change. The stigma always rests on the people who ingest the drug, if for whatever reason we feel the person dealing them is working their clients, which they are, and therefore are more intelligent, which theyre not; Depending on which side of the coin we're on, we may defend our position. The one thing I think we all acknowledge about the relationship between a "dealer" if you will, and a consumer of mushrooms, is that the relationship doesn't really exist, your body doesn't get addicted to mushrooms like it does to heroin, Its a totally different ball game. You can stop at any time, you can find a new person to buy from, or you can grow them yourself. I think its all in my head tbh lol Its just kind of a joke.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Backbone]
    #26516743 - 03/04/20 03:46 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Who cares!!  come buy my cubes!! lmao


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