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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: feldman114]
    #26504189 - 02/25/20 10:58 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Might as well learn to grow yer own at that price!


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Blabble40]
    #26504252 - 02/26/20 12:54 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I might possibly know something of the sort. Maybe possibly sort of????? Then again maybe not who knows???        (^^^^) If I did though they would keep many different strains of cubes and do a annual Panapaluza if only
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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: HGBuckWheat]
    #26504308 - 02/26/20 02:39 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I am fully in support of people who sell all illegal drugs of all classes. Fuck the government. Liberty.

Sure people who have fully eaten the blue pill might think people who sell mushrooms or any other substance are "bad". But that's how they were trained to think. Monkeys repeating phrases and believing stories without having any basis or expanded perspective on the subject. It's almost a religious stance, being taught as a young person something and refusing to consider any information that might contradict that embedded belief. Superstition.

People should capitalise in the trade of psychedelics. Competition forces quality and price to improve.

What's better than good drugs? Cheap good drugs.  :awesomenod:


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #26504321 - 02/26/20 03:00 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

What’s better than cheap good drugs, northerner?......Free good drugs 🤓


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26504341 - 02/26/20 03:38 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

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What’s better than cheap good drugs, northerner?......Free good drugs 🤓



My man.

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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Northerner]
    #26504491 - 02/26/20 08:11 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

The largest percentage of people here shunning you for your profits or aspirations are balls deep themselves. It goes like that in every facat everywhere. It's also a self preservation tactic, the subconscious mind sees others enter the arena some want to protect the arena itself but most want to protect their own works. Thats how it can go with anything that has a demand and is capable of pruducing value. "It's morally wrong" "It's nature it should be free." Those are the people selling the most and the types of people running reteats brewing aya. They arnt going to show you how to produce your own safe medicine...thats against their interests. It aint all that deep here, because we will show you how to. Bug just have a few people turn around and say bu th don't dare make a little something for yourself for your own works and investments. Its the risk only you decide to take so if you do and stick to it no ones opinion should effect you or you are not in correct mental posistion to grow drugs in illegal places let alone sell them.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Grungeman17]
    #26504534 - 02/26/20 08:56 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

At the end of the day, if it gives access to people to be able to use it, it's pretty alright.
I buy cars even though I think I'm getting took. But I can thus drive around wherever I want.
I don't think to myself, 'does this guy really know how a car works...?' I'm just like, 'alright, that's a fair enough price.'

We've already addressed the work/resources/risk : reasonable profit. But that's not most people.
Most 'shroom dealers' are just your run-of-the-mill lower-tier drug dealer. Not anybody of great repute or dignity that you'd like to be buying anything from. They don't care about your safety or your enlightenment. They just want your money.
And, sure. Make an 'honest living' or whatever the fuck you'd call it.
The stigma doesn't come from the legality of it, but from being a sleazy money-hungry salesmen with no regard for their customer.
Which, let's face it, most people in all businesses are that. It's how you stay in business.

It's just a matter of what you can sign your name on.
Quite frankly, I'd rather fix a car myself and grow my own shrooms.
I'd rather pay parts manufacturers and grain mills than stingy salesmen.

Some people just want to take their car to Pep Boys and buy their drugs from a juggalo.
It's easier, but you pay a premium for it and the potential to break down is higher.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: footpath]
    #26504825 - 02/26/20 12:49 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

The first time i ever gave shrooms to anyone was my family I dont know if i really believe in enlightenment lol if someone claims theyre enlightened im not going to attack them though. i was interested if i could make a little bit of money no doubt but im not selling heroin so im not going to act like im doing them a favor, when im not. One of the beauties of mushrooms is that it is an obscure "drug" compared to other "drugs" you cant sell them in mass, or enough to survive lol If there is any shadyness tbh I would conjecture its coming from someone who thinks they understand enlightenment but i mean...lol no one dies from shrooms. and. no doubt. if i can do something myself id rather learn how to, regarding safety, like, if you have a mental illness specifically something like schizophrenia lol well if youre giving shrooms to someone who swears they see shadows yeah youre a fucking moron. safety. But if they dont tell you anything, lol then at least thats not as bad as knowing youre going to fuck someone's life up but do it for profit, whos the real addict in that situation, i know which one im giving sympathy towards anyways.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Backbone] * 1
    #26504848 - 02/26/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

People exaggerate enlightenment to mean some kind of reaching of nirvana or something like that.
If you don't think you've been enlightened by psychedelics, you just need to familiarize yourself with the extent of the definition.

Unless you take the definition as simply meaning knowledgeable, anyone who thinks they're enlightened past the level of anyone else is kind of an asshole.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Backbone]
    #26504862 - 02/26/20 01:16 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I'm ALL for capitalism; in-case my previous statements were misunderstood.
All I was saying is, like any free market, there is going to be a majority of sellers who have a minimal understanding of the product they are selling (quicker to sell/quicker to profit); and then a smaller portion who have put in the time to research and fully understand what they are capitalizing on, which ultimately leads to a much better product and experience for the customer. Both are still necessary. If you're here you definitely should not be paying for mushrooms that aren't exactly what you want.

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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: O_Dweeds]
    #26504882 - 02/26/20 01:31 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

im growing my own mushrooms 99 perecent of the time


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Backbone]
    #26504885 - 02/26/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

My mushrooms are helping me grow 100% of the time
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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: O_Dweeds]
    #26504887 - 02/26/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Necessary, yeah... kinda. Like I said - at the end of the day, if it gives access to people to be able to use it, it's pretty alright.
But that doesn't really take away the stigma of the general car salesmen or drug dealer... they're literally disgraceful people because of their actions.
No one's here to say that spore vendors/breeders have a stigma against them. Just 'shroom dealers'.
I'm here to say that, while it doesn't have to be that way, only a very low percentage of your 'shroom dealers' are genuine growers only looking to make a fair and reciprocal transaction.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: footpath]
    #26504896 - 02/26/20 01:38 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

In post-USSR countries, there’s a special insult reserved only for resellers. “Boriga”
It’s usually said against drug dealers, but also used when you’re outraged with the price of something.

I think it’s one of the veeeery few positive effects of Stalinism...society looks down on anyone who isn’t adding value to their products.

Just thought it’s worth bringing up in this context. The western “anti-shroom” stigma applies to regular stores, used car dealerships, etc. in some places. In other words, the stigma is not inherent to shrooms, so it’s bound to end sooner or later.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: footpath]
    #26504897 - 02/26/20 01:38 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

footpath said:
Necessary, yeah... kinda. Like I said - at the end of the day, if it gives access to people to be able to use it, it's pretty alright.
But that doesn't really take away the stigma of the general car salesmen or drug dealer... they're literally disgraceful people because of their actions.
No one's here to say that spore vendors/breeders have a stigma against them. Just 'shroom dealers'.
I'm here to say that, while it doesn't have to be that way, only a very low percentage of your 'shroom dealers' are genuine growers only looking to make a fair and reciprocal transaction.




  If you are ripped of buying a car, house, or whatever you have only yourself to blame. You are responsible for looking at in detail before buying anything. (Personally I don't know shit about auto mechanics, but I take a vehicle to someone who does before buying) Then if the price is worth the cost for you, buy it. Buyer's remorse is the buyer's fault. If the price is truly wack, no one buys, then they make no sale, and adjustments must be made.

I've never had "shroom dealers", however I have met many who sell them.</font></font>


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: footpath]
    #26504903 - 02/26/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

And it is as necessary in capitalism for both the sellers as it is the buyers. A profit must initially be made for the distribution to progress, in size & evolution of product.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: O_Dweeds]
    #26504914 - 02/26/20 01:51 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

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And it is as necessary in capitalism for both the sellers as it is the buyers. A profit must initially be made for the distribution to progress, in size & evolution of product.




Well, not really. Capitalism can exist without a reseller network. Producers often sell directly to consumers in other industries.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: O_Dweeds]
    #26504918 - 02/26/20 01:53 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I appreciate the lesson in economics. But I've clearly asserted that it's up to the individual to find a fair price. Profits can still be had with fair prices.
But 'fair' is grossly inflated depending on many factors - one of those major factors being the trend of what stingy salesmen can get away with selling something for. Just because a gullible or uninformed individual buys it doesn't take away the initial disgraceful act of the salesman.

edit: What is considered disgraceful, dishonorable, shameful, etc. has next to nothing to do with economics... except in terms of employing dis/honorable tactics as a way to economic prosperity. Which has been my point the whole time. So, if you're like most people explicitly out for gains when selling mushrooms, you're dishonorable and there's a stigma against you.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: footpath]
    #26504996 - 02/26/20 02:41 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

What footpath just said, and......

Remembering back over 35 years to economics A level; The Law of Supply and Demand.

Basically, if you supply something, then there will be a demand.
If there is a demand for something, then somebody will supply it.
If the price is cheap, the demand will be high; if the price is high, the demand will be low. If the demand is high, the price will be high, if..... do you get the point of this law?

Basically we need to be clear what the stigma of buying “shrooms” from “shroom dealers” is actually about? Is it about their high prices? In which case, don’t buy. Is it because they are selling a sacrament?

Let’s be clear folks, as I’m not clear what the discussion has tended towards.

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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26505114 - 02/26/20 04:12 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I think shrooms dealers are entitled to charge whatever people are willing to pay, because they take the risk in a tiny market to bring something that can be life changing.

This doesn't make them scummy or anything else, because your average Joe Bloe doesn't have the wherewithal to sort out their own shrooms. They just want to get some shrooms and eat them. Maybe if they like them then they'll start growing monotubs or walking around in paddocks looking for their own. But in the meanwhile they can get what they want for a price.

People who have grown and hunted before laugh at the prices and scoff at the shrooms dealers, but that's because they can get their own for next to nothing. I think this is where the stigma comes in a lot. People charging $10+ a gram for something that you can just walk around and pick up or make a box explode with seems like a rip off. But it's not. It's a service as well as a supply.

I've heard the arguments before against selling naturally occurring tryptamines, being sacraments and stuff. But this sounds like people projecting their experiential beliefs on to the rest of world and expecting them to comply. Then when they don't comply start believing that somehow there's a stigma around those people. It's like a religious prejudice almost. Silly monkeys.


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