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I HAVE PINS!!! And a question about slow spawners. * 1
    #26441910 - 01/19/20 04:07 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

So, this is my first attempt to grow any kind of mushrooms on purpose.  (random ones in the yard don't count)

I read a lot, realized I already own everything I need, except spores and a bag of vermiculite.  Bought those two things, prepped a whole bunch of jars of varying sizes to play.  Some are corn, some are BRF, some are mixed.  I started to do oats, but they smelled good while cooking and I ate them for dinner instead of sharing.  It's been a couple of weeks--I have been very good about not disturbing them too much while they spawn/colonize.  I decided the first couple are ready to bring into the light, and they have (mostly side) pins!  I'm kind of stoked about progress!


My question is this--every single jar has obvious growth (I noc'd each type of spore in each substrate), EXCEPT my Ps. Cyans.  They haven't grown in any of the jars.  Everything was from the same batch, packed at the same time, so I'm pretty sure it's not technique or supplies.  Any thoughts on why they wouldn't do anything at all? And since I know the spores are in there somewhere, can I load them with some other kind of substrate to see if they might still grow?  I can see the spores in the syringe, even without a microscope! Thoughts?  I'd love input here. Also, apologies for terrible photo composition.

 




Edited to add photos of cute little mushrooms growing in my sideyard this afternoon. And another question- what are the little hollow tubes about?  Is something eating these, or are they an abort of some kind?
     
     


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Re: I HAVE PINS!!! And a question about slow spawners. [Re: circetwo] * 1
    #26441943 - 01/19/20 04:26 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

lol you tried some of everything huh??

Are you going to spawn the jars or top fruit or anything??

Cyans is a different species idk what it eat but it could be different than cubes.


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Re: I HAVE PINS!!! And a question about slow spawners. [Re: A.k.a]
    #26441986 - 01/19/20 04:52 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

What TEK are you following?  If you aren't following one, that's the first thing anyone is going to tell you to do.  You might get fruits from those, but I've never seen anyone do it that way.  I'm not super knowledgeable, but I'd bet you're not gonna get much from that if you're just leaving them that way.

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Re: I HAVE PINS!!! And a question about slow spawners. [Re: A.k.a]
    #26442127 - 01/19/20 06:37 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

Um, yes.  I bought a couple of syringes, and they threw in an extra.  I hadn't planned to try them all at once, but then I was having fun and had all the jars & stuff...  I'm mostly experimenting here, to see what I learn as I go.
The Psi. Cyans (Wavy Caps) are the ones that didn't grow at all.  I also have Pan. Cyans, and they seem to be tootling along just fine.


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Re: I HAVE PINS!!! And a question about slow spawners. [Re: unibrowscowl]
    #26442148 - 01/19/20 06:54 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

Well, I started with the PFTek, then found a thread for using popcorn, and followed that around looking at what kind of other grains people have used.  I have a lot of grains in my house, so that's interesting.  I PC'd a few jars with the corn, and a bunch with BRF. 
I've read through a bunch of the Monotub teks, and found Bod's whole list of teks.  I'm doing these 2 jars of cubes after the manner of Bod's Easy AF Tek, with baggies on top, and have a couple of small tubs waiting to do the other types.  Nothing else has completely spawned, but I've shaken a few jars of corn, and left some, and have been watching how they all grow differently.  It's fun!  I bought coir for my tinytubs (shoebox size), and have sterilized some wood chips that are about half mulch to play with.  I'm planning on some small tubs so I can see the differences between substrates/casings, and how they act in my own space.  I'm also toying with making a heat bomb and heat shocking one or two of my BRF cakes.  I have a tub for a SGFC, but that'll be my next group go-round, where I'll do a whole batch of one thing.
The pictures were taken where I could get a decent photo, except the nighttime ones on the desk.  The rest I pulled out and staged for a few minutes so the pictures would be sort of okay. 


TL:DR version is that I'm basically following the PFTek, but also Bod's Easy AF Tek, and Bod's Unmodified Monotub Tek, and I'm playing with some variations from MacMerdin and Violet's V-Teks, and wondering about Heat Bombs for next time.


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Re: I HAVE PINS!!! And a question about slow spawners. [Re: circetwo]
    #26442450 - 01/19/20 10:44 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Interesting hybrid growing :strokebeard:

Top fruiting jars is kinda a pain in the ass, so great ready for that. You could also make shoeboxes with your jars by scooping out the colonized grain/PF Tek hybrid jars.


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Re: I HAVE PINS!!! And a question about slow spawners. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26444041 - 01/20/20 10:38 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Well, I figured I'd let these couple of jars fruit as they were pretty quick to colonize, and one is a narrow-mouth jar, but the rest are going into small tubs as they get a little further along.  It's been fun to watch the different growth speeds of the different varieties.  I may have jumped the gun a little, but it's always fun to start new things.  Am I gonna end up with hybrids?  That could be cool.  I haven't gotten that far yet...
I'm curious about why my wavy caps haven't done anything at all.  Guess I get to do more reading!!


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Re: I HAVE PINS!!! And a question about slow spawners. [Re: circetwo]
    #26444081 - 01/20/20 11:22 PM (4 years, 8 days ago)

Hybrid growing as in using two different grow teks (grains with PF Tek). Hybridization of strains is kuch more complex.

Wavy caps like moist cardboard, aged pine chips or alder chips. Its pretty easy to get the mycelium to spread once u get the spores germinated.


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Re: I HAVE PINS!!! And a question about slow spawners. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26445516 - 01/22/20 01:18 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

Sweet!  Thanks!  I have some pine mulch sterilized, and I did read about the cardboard to start the wavy caps (after I'd started the BRF).  I'd like to try that.  I still have some of the syringe left to play with, but I'd like to know if what I injected into the BRFs is any kind of viable, still.  They haven't grown--does that mean they've died/been ruined, or that they didn't start?  I'm thinking I need to quit my day job so I can read more...  :hehehe:


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Re: I HAVE PINS!!! And a question about slow spawners. [Re: circetwo] * 1
    #26477644 - 02/09/20 08:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

This guy grew quick. He's a Malabar.

Got another couple a few days later, and one monstrous one from up the side that was thick and HEAVY.  Didn't take photos, but I weighed them.  Ended up with 141.4 grams fresh from both jars.

Decided that fruiting in the jar is, in fact, kind of a pain.  Probably mostly because I chose poorly and allowed the narrow-mouth jar to consolidate and fruit.  Broke it up and stuck it in a container to let it fruit, and dumped the little broken bits into a Rubbermaid with a little bit of leftover casing material.  This resulted. (again, Malabar) (It's actually about a week into it; I forgot to snap an initial pic)

And this little guy was all by himself when the corn broke off, so I skewered him like this.  It worked, and I had a cute little mushroom in about 3 days. 

These are my Malabar pieces, from both narrow-mouth jars.
They did actually fruit a fair amount, so I dunked them overnight and they're back in to see if/what more will grow.  They were pretty damaged, and I was surprised they produced much at all after coming out of the jars. 

Broke a jar, for science. 
This is the Azurescens.

Broke up another couple of jars to make a tub. Also Azurescens.  There was enough stuff to do 2 tubs this size, one size up from a shoebox, but they looked pretty similar.  After a week, one had a couple spots of green, so it's had surgery and has been sequestered. We'll see if it bounces back.

Again, extras, so I put them into a couple of random containers from the cupboard; this is the teeny one. After a week, I have this. 
And this container I rigged, because I ran out of containers with lids.  Also, it was fun to do silly things to see if they'd work.  They seem to be working, since I have two side pins and a few on top.  I love that it's growing up the skewers.

And these are my results from the random Rubbermaid that I kept downstairs on the kitchen counter.  I failed to take photos of the initial pins, and within 3 days had this. (Saturday morning photos 2/8/20) 

Today, Sunday 2/9/20

  Huh.  The photos rotated.  On my phone, they're all in the same orientation. 

New question: Why do all the veils break at the same time, regardless of the size of the mushroom?  I took everything from the top, because every single one was open.  I've got stuff coming up on the sides, so that should be another little bundle in a couple of days.


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Re: I HAVE PINS!!! And a question about slow spawners. [Re: circetwo] * 1
    #26477653 - 02/09/20 09:05 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I am enormously entertained by the way these keep growing and spreading, regardless of what I've got to throw them into.  I put a few into the lid of a cookie sheet and put the cookie sheet on top.  They're colonizing like crazy.  I opened two bottles of the Hawaii, and two of the Bisporus to do tubs and trays.  The Bisporus seems to be doing fine, but the Hawaii was unhappy.  After a week, I've changed out the container and given them a little bit of new rice to work with.  Here's hoping they grow well.  I've got two small wide-mouth jars of Bisporus that are going to go into a fruiting chamber as soon as I've got a slightly bigger one arranged, with reasonable humidity control.
And I'm guessing this is trich, since I read that it loves to grow on unpasteurized casing.  I had rolled this guy (Azurescens) in vermiculite and stuck it in next to my chunks of the Malabar.  It appears to be an excellent photo of fluffy contaminant, right?


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Re: I HAVE PINS!!! And a question about slow spawners. [Re: circetwo]
    #26477765 - 02/09/20 11:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: I HAVE PINS!!! And a question about slow spawners. [Re: Nichrome]
    #26478256 - 02/10/20 09:52 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Not trich, but definitely loads of bacteria. It could still fruit though I had a shoebox look like that and eventually the surface bruised up died off and new myc popped out and pinned.


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Re: I HAVE PINS!!! And a question about slow spawners. [Re: A.k.a] * 1
    #26479212 - 02/10/20 08:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

How am I just now seeing this. THis is facinating for sOOOOoooo many reasons.

OP Good Job! you kinda read some stuff and said, F*&^ IT and just got busy like a kid in a candy store.

No Questions, no second guessing. I like it! Keep Posting.


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Re: I HAVE PINS!!! And a question about slow spawners. [Re: A.k.a]
    #26479424 - 02/10/20 11:42 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Interesting.  I'm even more curious now, but it hasn't grown anything but white fluff for 10 days.  I dunked it in peroxide, and watched that stuff fizz for a while... It turned blue around the edges, which I took for a good sign, and stuck it back in the chamber.  Got home from work today, and it's fluffy all over again, though less so.  Not sure exactly what to do with it, but I moved it away from my Malabar chunks.  I don't need stuff like that spreading.


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Re: I HAVE PINS!!! And a question about slow spawners. [Re: Sockadin]
    #26479437 - 02/11/20 12:09 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I'm glad you made it here, then, Sockadin.  I live to entertain!  I figure--I have a lot of equipment, a lot of different grain, 5 kinds of spores, and a scientist spouse.  I'm good to go.  Also, I work a ton, so the patience piece is kinda built in.  And it's fun!  I pc'd some grains in rubbermaids, just to see how that works out, but I haven't done much with 'em yet.  Mostly I stacked them inside a bigger Rubbermaid to wait for inoculation.  And I have these cute tiny shot glasses that I stuck in there with foil on top, and I stuck 1 corn covered in myc into each one (lazy g2g).  I just want to know how long it will take to colonize 1/2" of each, and if the myc likes one better than the other.   I did brown rice, oat groats, and a 7-grain mix I have.  I don't remember what all 7 grains are, though. I also did one bigger container with a corner of each grain, then dropped 2 drops onto each one to see what happens.  So far, it likes the rice, and not the others.
I don't *need* a ton of mushrooms, so my world won't end if some things don't work out.  On the flip side, Every time I move something around, I end up raiding the cupboard again.  I got scolded for having taken all the good leftover-sized containers.  :shrug:

I do love candy!


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Re: I HAVE PINS!!! And a question about slow spawners. [Re: circetwo]
    #26479886 - 02/11/20 10:06 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Lol I hope that green color in the middle shot is the original grain just bruised. The myc looks super healthy in those.

You should put coir on top and do the tiniest grow ever.


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Re: I HAVE PINS!!! And a question about slow spawners. [Re: A.k.a]
    #26479923 - 02/11/20 10:29 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

A.k.a said:
Lol I hope that green color in the middle shot is the original grain just bruised. The myc looks super healthy in those.




Me too.  I hadn't seen the green until I posted the photo.  If all is lost, it's about 1.5 tablespoons of grain. 



Quote:

You should put coir on top and do the tiniest grow ever.




That was my plan!!  I wanted to know if I could successfully grow in one, and if it were tall enough to keep a single mushroom or two contained.  I have a friend who'd love a fresh mushroom, and the tiny glass would be PERFECT.


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Re: I HAVE PINS!!! And a question about slow spawners. [Re: circetwo]
    #26487824 - 02/16/20 02:03 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Ew.  This part of my experiment was mostly a fail.  My rigged container looked great for a week or so, and it grew 3 teeny mushrooms, the biggest of which ended up just over an inch tall.  I watched through this last week as the white stuff just kept sitting there.  All 3 mushrooms grew in the same square inch of space.  There were some teensy baby pins that didn't do anything but look like teeny baby pins; no growing or changing or...anything.  And while the top of the container didn't change much, the sides started getting all orange and liquidy (yes, that's an adjective) with metabolites  everywhere.  Cool to watch, but a bummer indeed.  Today, the top has this lovely pink stuff on top (ID, anyone?) and it's wet looking.  I think it's pretty much destined for the compost bin, at this point.
           

And this container, which I thought was going so well seems to not be doing well.  What's the black slimy-looking stuff?  And how did it get there?  It's all yellowy and liquidous (different form of previous adjective) in the corners and down the sides too.  Buh-mmer.


On the upside, my shot glasses look pretty happy!
   


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