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OfflineHidingInPlainSight
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Hairless or no?
    #2644151 - 05/06/04 03:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

On my way home today I spotted a large patch of poppies on the side of the road...
Upon further inspection I notcied that the stems had hairs...

(1) Are P. Somniferum stems hairless?
(2) How can one tell the difference between P. Somniferum and other species of the Papaver genus.


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Re: Hairless or no? [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #2644219 - 05/06/04 04:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yup somniferum is hairless... hairy stems = not somniferum


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Re: Hairless or no? [Re: zeta]
    #2644237 - 05/06/04 05:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

thats not exactly true. sometimes p. somniferum can have some little hairs. i just came across some as well with a few hairs and they were p. somiferum.

i have also seen lots of pictures over at poppies.org with p.somni's having hairs on their stems.


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Re: Hairless or no? [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #2644675 - 05/06/04 10:36 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

P.S. stems, like many plants, may have hair on the stem. Click here to see a P.S. in the hook stage; although the photo is not great quality it appears to have hair on the stem.

**edit: if you did find a patch of P.S. I envy you! Before you harvest any, make sure that they are mature, i.e., petals have dropped and the crown has just turned up. Also, don't let anyone see you harvest.


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Re: Hairless or no? [Re: grib]
    #2649316 - 05/07/04 09:31 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Here is another Poppy image showing hair on the stem.


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Re: Hairless or no? [Re: grib]
    #2649472 - 05/07/04 11:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

is there another way to tell the difference other than usually not hairy?

i've had some trouble coming up with good ID comparisions between somniferum and other poppies in my research...

thanks!
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Re: Hairless or no? [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #2649566 - 05/07/04 12:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

opium poppies are pretty easy to ID. The leaves are different from all the other poppies I've seen, in shape and the bluish green color they have, the pods are distinctive too. FWIW, I've seen p. soms with flower stalks that were slightly hairy and others that were bare...

poppies.org FAQ entry
pics of various species of papaver

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Re: Hairless or no? [Re: spores]
    #2649665 - 05/07/04 12:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

thanks for the link!

so correct me if i'm wrong, but what's different about an opium poppy leaf is that it is more smooth, not as spikey?

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Re: Hairless or no? [Re: Psilygirl]
    #2649726 - 05/07/04 01:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

yeah, the leaves are smooth, I've never seen a p. som with leaves that I would call spiky.  They might have little hairs on the bottom of the leaf veins sometimes, but nothing realy prickly like Argemone mexicana... 

http://opium.poppies.org/gallery/details.php?image_id=64&s=e39207ed92a7d344cea619bb16a187ef
those are textbook opium poppies, if you look in the lower right you'll see some flower stalks with spikes/hairs.  Notice the bluish-green foliage and the leaf shape/arrangement.

http://opium.poppies.org/gallery/details.php?image_id=99&s=e6617c4b43d9b2379c10a62ba824b259
As long as they have leaves/flowers/pods like those you can't really go wrong.  Once you see some up close they're really easy to tell apart from the others.  I think there's some in the medicinal herb garden at school :wink:, at least there was a couple years back, haven't checked this year, I imagine they're a ways from flowering yet but they should be labeled...

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Re: Hairless or no? [Re: spores]
    #2649746 - 05/07/04 01:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

awesome!! :thumbup:

thanks so much for the info! :grin:

i'll have to take a walk sometime this weekend... :wink: :tongue:


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Re: Hairless or no? [Re: Psilygirl]
    #2649814 - 05/07/04 01:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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is there another way to tell the difference other than usually not hairy?




The pod is distinctive, note the crown in some of the links to photos posted by DH. I believe that only the opium poppy has a crown.


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Re: Hairless or no? [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #2651022 - 05/07/04 07:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

my blue and white persian plants have rather large hairs.


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Re: Hairless or no? [Re: Gr0wer]
    #2668578 - 05/12/04 03:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

check them out once they've started to flower, the amount of hairs should subside.


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