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InvisibleShenmue
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Re: Hello from 13.50 min wage. [Re: Enjoywho]
    #26441442 - 01/19/20 09:59 AM (4 years, 10 days ago)

Unless you're born rich success comes from suffering. You need to get busy and embrace the suck!! Stop feeling sorry for yourself and get moving!!! The public shouldn't have to pay for your food and housing dont you understand that!! Its not like you have a right to free shit. What kind of dream world are you living in? I personally know people that survive off of the government and so does everyone else so who are you trying to bullshit? Obviously you can't survive on foodstaps in the state of Washington lmao. You throw away free college to heroin and you think you deserve a free living!!??? No you fucked up and that has consequences!! You need to get the fuck out of Washington and get a skill. It's going to take 5 or 6 years of suffering to make a decent living so you best get started now and get it over with!!!


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OfflineEnjoywho
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Re: Hello from 13.50 min wage. [Re: feevers]
    #26441444 - 01/19/20 10:00 AM (4 years, 10 days ago)

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feevers said:
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Shenmue said:
We already do support everyone's basic needs for the most part!!! You already have housing and food stamps! Now you're demanding free college and health care! What are you going to demand next a free car!!??? I mean what the fuck!!!! :kingcrankey:



Volunteer at a shelter or a SNAP program and ask about how effective the current service model is. A part of my current job is finding free housing for people who are mentally disabled and can't work, and the wait time can be years. Even the local shelters have a daily lottery for beds, most who apply for a bed end up sleeping outside.




Thank you as well for your service. I'm just trying to get the middle class riled up about this. I don't expect you to let people into your homes but this is happening wether you feel it or not. Single mothers with kids are being kicked to the streets. It's something to think about at the very least.


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Re: Hello from 13.50 min wage. [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26441449 - 01/19/20 10:03 AM (4 years, 10 days ago)

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bodhisatta said:
If you live anywhere near almost any city in the entire country there's still plenty of entry level blue collar jobs starting at 20+ an hour. Most people can't hack it at a place that pays an honest days wage for an honest days work though.

I live in Milwaukee the companies around here are begging to hire people for 23/hr there's fucking signs all over.




Yeah, but you have to live in Milwaukee.

Just kidding, Milwaukee is pretty sweet. I've had a good time partying up there a few times.

Unions are a great option. My company hires all union and a lot of guys make more than me, and I have a Master's degree. They are also free from college debt, unlike me. Of course their bodies will be ruined by age 50, but that's the trade off I suppose.


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InvisibleShenmue
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Re: Hello from 13.50 min wage. [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26441454 - 01/19/20 10:07 AM (4 years, 10 days ago)

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bodhisatta said:
If you live anywhere near almost any city in the entire country there's still plenty of entry level blue collar jobs starting at 20+ an hour. Most people can't hack it at a place that pays an honest days wage for an honest days work though.

I live in Milwaukee the companies around here are begging to hire people for 23/hr there's fucking signs all over.





Exactly!!!  :seriousthumbsup:


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Re: Hello from 13.50 min wage. [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26441455 - 01/19/20 10:07 AM (4 years, 10 days ago)

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bodhisatta said:
If you live anywhere near almost any city in the entire country there's still plenty of entry level blue collar jobs starting at 20  an hour. Most people can't hack it at a place that pays an honest days wage for an honest days work though.

I live in Milwaukee the companies around here are begging to hire people for 23/hr there's fucking signs all over.



Quote:

bodhisatta said:
If you live anywhere near almost any city in the entire country there's still plenty of entry level blue collar jobs starting at 20+ an hour. Most people can't hack it at a place that pays an honest days wage for an honest days work though.

I live in Milwaukee the companies around here are begging to hire people for 23/hr there's fucking signs all over.




Is that so? Never heard of it. I just want to provide better for my family that's all. I have a gf and 2 cats that she loves. That's all that i want is to provide my family better. I work until my hands are swollen and my back hurts so much that I won't complain. My resume is actually stacked with any kind of work that people need. I can build a house from the ground up. etc etc. I think it would be nice to have a bit of a rest but I know that isn't how the world works. So my wife doesn't have to i'll do most of the heavy lifting. that's fine.


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"In the days of kings and queens I was a jester."

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Re: Hello from 13.50 min wage. [Re: christopera]
    #26441460 - 01/19/20 10:10 AM (4 years, 10 days ago)

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christopera said:
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bodhisatta said:
If you live anywhere near almost any city in the entire country there's still plenty of entry level blue collar jobs starting at 20+ an hour. Most people can't hack it at a place that pays an honest days wage for an honest days work though.

I live in Milwaukee the companies around here are begging to hire people for 23/hr there's fucking signs all over.




Yeah, but you have to live in Milwaukee.

Just kidding, Milwaukee is pretty sweet. I've had a good time partying up there a few times.

Unions are a great option. My company hires all union and a lot of guys make more than me, and I have a Master's degree. They are also free from college debt, unlike me. Of course their bodies will be ruined by age 50, but that's the trade off I suppose.




Hehe I have a sister that got a masters degree. I honestly have no clue what for and her and her wife both got one. I have no idea how they make money but they bought a house in ohio so I honestly have no clue what they're doing. My sisters smart and has traveled the world and speaks 5 languages fluently so it's anyones guess what the fuck she's doing. I could probably just ask her actually :lol:


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"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

"In the days of kings and queens I was a jester."

"And then the great lord created bears... too many bears... shoulda really dialed back on the bears." Squidbillies

"Can you start speaking words instead of your damn filthy lies!"- Louise "Bobs Burgers"


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InvisiblebodhisattaMDiscordReddit
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Re: Hello from 13.50 min wage. [Re: Enjoywho] * 1
    #26441489 - 01/19/20 10:36 AM (4 years, 10 days ago)

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Enjoywho said:
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bodhisatta said:
If you live anywhere near almost any city in the entire country there's still plenty of entry level blue collar jobs starting at 20  an hour. Most people can't hack it at a place that pays an honest days wage for an honest days work though.

I live in Milwaukee the companies around here are begging to hire people for 23/hr there's fucking signs all over.



Quote:

bodhisatta said:
If you live anywhere near almost any city in the entire country there's still plenty of entry level blue collar jobs starting at 20+ an hour. Most people can't hack it at a place that pays an honest days wage for an honest days work though.

I live in Milwaukee the companies around here are begging to hire people for 23/hr there's fucking signs all over.




Is that so? Never heard of it. I just want to provide better for my family that's all. I have a gf and 2 cats that she loves. That's all that i want is to provide my family better. I work until my hands are swollen and my back hurts so much that I won't complain. My resume is actually stacked with any kind of work that people need. I can build a house from the ground up. etc etc. I think it would be nice to have a bit of a rest but I know that isn't how the world works. So my wife doesn't have to i'll do most of the heavy lifting. that's fine.



Near pretty much every major airport there's business parks around and jobs a plenty even for unskilled people starting at above 15 and likely above 20


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Re: Hello from 13.50 min wage. [Re: Enjoywho] * 1
    #26441586 - 01/19/20 12:04 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

You could start by not buying your sandwiches at a fast-food place.

The money you spend there could probably buy you a weeks worth of sandwiches with something to put on them at a convenience store


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Re: Hello from 13.50 min wage. [Re: Tripsurfer] * 2
    #26441700 - 01/19/20 01:19 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

Shhh... Those are rich people secrets. We can't be letting those getting out. You'll kill the payday loan industry with that kind of info!


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InvisibleFruitOfLife
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Re: Hello from 13.50 min wage. [Re: christopera] * 1
    #26441718 - 01/19/20 01:29 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

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christopera said:
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bodhisatta said:
If you live anywhere near almost any city in the entire country there's still plenty of entry level blue collar jobs starting at 20+ an hour. Most people can't hack it at a place that pays an honest days wage for an honest days work though.

I live in Milwaukee the companies around here are begging to hire people for 23/hr there's fucking signs all over.




Yeah, but you have to live in Milwaukee.

Just kidding, Milwaukee is pretty sweet. I've had a good time partying up there a few times.

Unions are a great option. My company hires all union and a lot of guys make more than me, and I have a Master's degree. They are also free from college debt, unlike me. Of course their bodies will be ruined by age 50, but that's the trade off I suppose.



I have a union job and I make almost $40 an hour. I didn't waste 4 years of my life and a hundred grand to get a worthless piece of paper that won't actually help get a better job.

Union jobs are the way to go for sure. I make more money that most people with college degrees and I get outstanding benefits and job protection. Free lawyer, free insurance (health, dental, vision, prescription), guaranteed working conditions and hours. My total compensation package is around $145,000 a year and all I did was join the union, I advise anyone else to do the same. There are a lot of good union jobs out there!


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OfflineTripsurfer
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Re: Hello from 13.50 min wage. [Re: FruitOfLife]
    #26441743 - 01/19/20 01:53 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

Union of Professional Package Handlers?


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Offlinechibiabos
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Re: Hello from 13.50 min wage. [Re: Gypsy Boy] * 2
    #26441763 - 01/19/20 02:03 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

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Gypsy Boy said:
What's with all the negativity



It's a magic mushroom forum.  Did you want stable personalities?  :justdontknow:


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InvisibleFruitOfLife
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Re: Hello from 13.50 min wage. [Re: Tripsurfer] * 1
    #26441830 - 01/19/20 02:50 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

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Tripsurfer said:
Union of Professional Package Handlers?



I cannot confirm nor deny the legitimacy of that claim. But I have heard that there is a company that involves the delivery of parcels that has very good pay and benefits once you put some time in.


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Re: Hello from 13.50 min wage. [Re: Enjoywho] * 1
    #26441912 - 01/19/20 04:09 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

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Enjoywho said:

Anybody that works 40 hours a week should be able to provide better for there family. The fundemantal problem that is wrong here is people who are better then me think they are. Yes you worked your ass off for your education but there are different levels of trying and we didn't have parents that payed for our education. I grew up working. That is literally all that I want is to provide better for my family. I have a gf and 2 cats. I don't think it's an absurd request. and i do a lot of hard work you don't have to. My hands are always swollen i'm beatten down to the bone. You are not worth more than me.





*Their *paid *beaten *fundamental

I don't want to kick you when you are down but come on. I can't hire someone who would send out an email and use "there" like that. Ideally you should be higher on the potential list than some immigrant, but you haven't even got the advantage of being a native English speaker. Read more books. 

Do you want a high minimum wage or cheap fast food? You can only have one. People in poverty shouldn't be eating fast food, if you are homeless with no stove okay, but working poor? Most people have stupid avoidable expenses, like a car when they can take a bus, a huge data plan when they could just use free wi fi spots or 8 dollar sandwiches. This isn't exactly the great depression. Seattle has joined the ranks of NYC and San Fran as places only rich people can live. You choice is lots of roommates or work a 2nd job. Or move. Or get a better job.

It's a nice Sunday afternoon and I'm at work so the degree to which I sympathize with people complaining about 40 hours a week not paying the bills is low.


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InvisiblePatrickKn
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Re: Hello from 13.50 min wage. [Re: viraldrome]
    #26442022 - 01/19/20 05:17 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

I think we need to set a minimum wage slightly higher than right now federally (I would shoot closer to $11 p/h instead of $15), bind it to rise with the rate of inflation indefinitely, and deal with the cost fluctuations afterwards for as long as they take to stabilize. That would only be difficult to deal with for a short time (and not really in the grand scheme of things), and $7.25 is too low a federal minimum wage.

I was making about $7.00 p/h in 2008, after taxes that was about $800 a month. That was doable in 2008, but still kind of sucky. It's not realistically doable 12 years later, there is roughly 20% difference in purchasing power since that time (and much more than 20% if we include housing costs).

I do agree with the sentiment that you need to learn skills which get you competitive pay. I also agree with the sentiment that people not making much are often blowing through money on shit that makes them broke-er. But, $7.25 is indeed too low and is really only cushioned by the job market being good and requiring workers elsewhere, making it easy for people in minimum wage positions to fly the coup.

$11.00 per hour in today's money, adjusted for inflation indefinitely, is a livable wage at 40 hours per week for someone with no skills to differentiate themselves into a higher paying job, and is completely livable at 50 hours per week which is what most skilled workers end up working on salary.

If fast food companies and grocery stores are financially unable to provide around $11 (which the vast majority of are offering to entry level workers now), their business model relies too heavily on sub-livable wages and they need to modernize, and automate what cannot be worked into the budget.

The vast majority of restaurant businesses that pay minimum wage are able to pay much more though. Labor costs when I was a manager at a fast food chain (2011ish) were under 15% of overall inflow pretty consistently. Fast food businesses would not drastically raise their prices if it deters customers, but if there is a consistent demand they will every time. Grocery stores nowadays typically pay well over the minimum wage themselves.

Taco Bell in my area is hiring 18 year olds at $12 p/h and offering general managers $100K salaries. Because the money is there and the job market where I'm at is too competitive for businesses that offer shit wages.

If a business can't compete with $9 or $10 p/h in today's money, they don't really have a strong foundation to begin with and need to look for ways to downsize staff and become more efficient.


Edited by PatrickKn (01/19/20 05:21 PM)


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Re: Hello from 13.50 min wage. [Re: chibiabos] * 1
    #26442034 - 01/19/20 05:24 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

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chibiabos said:
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Gypsy Boy said:
What's with all the negativity



It's a magic mushroom forum.  Did you want stable personalities?  :justdontknow:




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Re: Hello from 13.50 min wage. [Re: BayerPhi]
    #26442041 - 01/19/20 05:29 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

Money is cheap right now, see the Fed's current QE... I mean "repo" going on behind the scenes.
Y'all mite want sum of dem der Bytecoins, or Gold if you're old fashioned.


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Re: Hello from 13.50 min wage. [Re: FruitOfLife] * 1
    #26442121 - 01/19/20 06:32 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

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FruitOfLife said:
Quote:

christopera said:
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bodhisatta said:
If you live anywhere near almost any city in the entire country there's still plenty of entry level blue collar jobs starting at 20+ an hour. Most people can't hack it at a place that pays an honest days wage for an honest days work though.

I live in Milwaukee the companies around here are begging to hire people for 23/hr there's fucking signs all over.




Yeah, but you have to live in Milwaukee.

Just kidding, Milwaukee is pretty sweet. I've had a good time partying up there a few times.

Unions are a great option. My company hires all union and a lot of guys make more than me, and I have a Master's degree. They are also free from college debt, unlike me. Of course their bodies will be ruined by age 50, but that's the trade off I suppose.



I have a union job and I make almost $40 an hour. I didn't waste 4 years of my life and a hundred grand to get a worthless piece of paper that won't actually help get a better job.

Union jobs are the way to go for sure. I make more money that most people with college degrees and I get outstanding benefits and job protection. Free lawyer, free insurance (health, dental, vision, prescription), guaranteed working conditions and hours. My total compensation package is around $145,000 a year and all I did was join the union, I advise anyone else to do the same. There are a lot of good union jobs out there!




I used to be union. It was definitely worth the 40 bucks a month or whatever for my dues. I had a boss literally rip me apart I was crying when I really didn't do anything wrong, The people in my union told me you literally have rights as a union worker. Do not ever let that person talk to you like that again. Call in a union rep. So next time the guy tried to grill me like that again that's what I did and it was the funniest thing i've ever seen. The dude damn near shit himself. While my union rep fucking demolished him.

You can't talk to him like that this is out of line and your incredibly out of line. Man I miss being a union worker. I'm actually going to get into trade school as i can build a house from the ground up I might as well make it official. That'll be easy compared to useless college paper. I couldn't believe when I went to college like are you serious? I'm doing 9th grade math and writing fucking papers like I was in high school? This is what we use to train young adults? What a waste of time. This has nothing to do with actual work what in the fuck?


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"In the days of kings and queens I was a jester."

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Re: Hello from 13.50 min wage. [Re: viraldrome]
    #26442122 - 01/19/20 06:33 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

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viraldrome said:

Do you want a high minimum wage or cheap fast food? You can only have one. People in poverty shouldn't be eating fast food, if you are homeless with no stove okay, but working poor? Most people have stupid avoidable expenses, like a car when they can take a bus, a huge data plan when they could just use free wi fi spots or 8 dollar sandwiches. This isn't exactly the great depression. Seattle has joined the ranks of NYC and San Fran as places only rich people can live. You choice is lots of roommates or work a 2nd job. Or move. Or get a better job.

It's a nice Sunday afternoon and I'm at work so the degree to which I sympathize with people complaining about 40 hours a week not paying the bills is low.





Nope we work every waking moment and eat nothing but beans and rice, oh and tears. And we dont have cable or internet etc. I love when the well paid say shit like this.
Lucky you. LUCKY indeed.


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Re: Hello from 13.50 min wage. [Re: ichugwindex] * 1
    #26442132 - 01/19/20 06:41 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

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ichugwindex said:
Quote:

viraldrome said:

Do you want a high minimum wage or cheap fast food? You can only have one. People in poverty shouldn't be eating fast food, if you are homeless with no stove okay, but working poor? Most people have stupid avoidable expenses, like a car when they can take a bus, a huge data plan when they could just use free wi fi spots or 8 dollar sandwiches. This isn't exactly the great depression. Seattle has joined the ranks of NYC and San Fran as places only rich people can live. You choice is lots of roommates or work a 2nd job. Or move. Or get a better job.

It's a nice Sunday afternoon and I'm at work so the degree to which I sympathize with people complaining about 40 hours a week not paying the bills is low.





Nope we work every waking moment and eat nothing but beans and rice, oh and tears. And we dont have cable or internet etc. I love when the well paid say shit like this.
Lucky you. LUCKY indeed.




No shit right? 80% of my wage goes to paying my rent. And the place has fucking cockroaches that I don't have any extra money to do anything about. The landlord doesn't care though. I just found out that cockroaches bite so fucking just lovely.

I fucking Hate the well off. Never fucking struggled a day in there lives. And they love to look down on us because it makes them feel better about themselves. Were just people trying to steal from them is what they think. That's so far from the truth that's what makes them look dumb. It'd be nice if my parents left me something to get my life started but the didn't. I'm actually subsidizing my wage to help out my mom because I don't want her living on the street. Laugh all you want but this isn't a fucking joke. I'm not laughing.

Reading that post so what? I'm never supposed to treat myself out to eat? Literally anything I should do should be to save money? What the fuck are you even trying to say. Your describing fucking slavery. So I should just toil away and never enjoy myself for the benefit of you?


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"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

"In the days of kings and queens I was a jester."

"And then the great lord created bears... too many bears... shoulda really dialed back on the bears." Squidbillies

"Can you start speaking words instead of your damn filthy lies!"- Louise "Bobs Burgers"


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