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Re: Fermi’s paradox: Where are all the aliens? [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #26442428 - 01/19/20 10:17 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

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And if aliens have existed and made an imprint, the reason they're not here is probably something we haven't imagined.



The universe is really, really, really, big. Entities are really, really, really little. Time is really, really, really vast.

It's not a mystery that when you compound all these reallys that you would get "fucking improbable to encounter another entity or any evidence thereof to the power of 9".

Occams Razor.

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On the other hand, there are so many exoplanets in the habitable zones of their stars, and so many stars with longer lifespans than ours, and the universe is so old that really we should see evidence everywhere. But the universe seems to be cold, dead, and silent as far as we can tell.

The earth has been throwing out massive amounts of evidence of our existence at least since the invention of radio. If an alien species did exist, we should see evidence. To convince an entire alien population to  keep humanity perpetually in the dark of its existence would be the greatest feat of social engineering of all time. Some individuals somewhere would violate that, and beyond that our detection equipment and methods are so good that aliens really shouldn't be able to hide from us if they exist.

If they exist, they should be obvious: they are not obvious, therefore I propose that they do not currently exist. But perhaps they did and destroyed themselves, or abandoned our universe in one way or another.

Even if they didn't leave our dimension, perhaps they uploaded their minds into computers and created a simulated utopian paradise for themselves in the process free from pain, disease, hunger, inequality, work, etc. They might subsequently have little interest in the outward universe. But even then, I think they'd have interest in trying to find other life, but maybe not. Maybe they're highly xenophobic.



Why would we see evidence? With what? We have barely begun to understand the history of our own star and it's satellites, let alone have any idea of what is happening in literally a different dimension to planets beyond our scope. When we look at stars we see things that no longer exist. If beings from habitable planets in other systems picked up our transmissions they would be picking up history through the cosmos as well.  And if they have any sense preservation they won't, just like we don't, send perpetual interstellar powerful signals out as an advertisement for anyone who may be listening anyway. I cannot think of a single reason for us to find a really loud ringing bell in space saying "Hey look here, we're smart monkeys!". That just wouldn't be a very smart thing to do. But just maybe there's a billion of those that are actually doing that, but we haven't checked the billion trillion systems in the known universe to find them. If we did check a billion stars, there'd be 1 in a trillion chance (or less) we'd find one of the billion planets sending out signals. And we don't even know what technology might be used to transmit, just look at the improvements in our own communication systems in the last 50 years. And boffins are looking for radio waves? In a system that's 100,000 light years across in a Universe billions of years old. Pretty funny really.

We've been spewing out high powered radio for less than 50 years... that's hardly reached a handful of stars in our own system. For extraterrestrials that would be like a black grain of sand on a 100 mile white beach viewed from the moon. I'm really not surprised that we haven't set up an intergalactic treaty yet.

Just looking in the sky brings a sense of awe. If I ever felt small or insignificant on this planet that scope brings the truth far closer to home.





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Re: Fermi’s paradox: Where are all the aliens? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26442560 - 01/20/20 01:57 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

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I think the entire cosmology people assume "is going on", in fact, ISN'T, and the aliens are inter-dimensional vs physical. No need for ships when you can bend matter at the quantum level, bitches! :sunny:





I've often speculated that. Perhaps if some intelligent species can get past blowing itself up, technological advancement reaches the point that beings transcend matter and energy and go into a higher dimension of reality. Of course, several hypotheses in physics, including to an extent quantum theory, unequivocally posit dimensions beyond the four we are familiar with. So perhaps at a certain point, putative aliens would not exist in physical bodies transmitting light signals, but simply vanish from our consensus reality. Good point.



I speculate about this too sometimes just because of what I've seen on psychedelics. Still, it assumes a lot about physics that we don't yet have any evidence for. Perhaps there might be some good reason to live in a higher dimension, and perhaps we simply lack the technology to communicate with or even know of the existence of such a place. However, given the lack of any current scientific evidence in support of anything like that... :frown:

On the other hand, I do find the possibility that we're the only one to be realistic. The earth existed with advanced life on it for billions of years and never even once developed intelligence before us. Even after we developed intelligence, we spent tens of thousands of years as hunter gatherers. Then we spent another good ten thousand years as subsistence farmers up through the beginnings of real civilization, and then finally at the very end of that we developed technology. If any one of those steps hadn't happened, our planet would appear as dead as all the rest.

Even worse, our sun is only about a billion years away from destroying the earth. Life existed for billions of years, but if it had existed for just one more billion without producing intelligence then the earth would have become as cold and dead as all the rest.

On the other hand, there are so many exoplanets in the habitable zones of their stars, and so many stars with longer lifespans than ours, and the universe is so old that really we should see evidence everywhere. But the universe seems to be cold, dead, and silent as far as we can tell.

The earth has been throwing out massive amounts of evidence of our existence at least since the invention of radio. If an alien species did exist, we should see evidence. To convince an entire alien population to  keep humanity perpetually in the dark of its existence would be the greatest feat of social engineering of all time. Some individuals somewhere would violate that, and beyond that our detection equipment and methods are so good that aliens really shouldn't be able to hide from us if they exist.

If they exist, they should be obvious: they are not obvious, therefore I propose that they do not currently exist. But perhaps they did and destroyed themselves, or abandoned our universe in one way or another.

Even if they didn't leave our dimension, perhaps they uploaded their minds into computers and created a simulated utopian paradise for themselves in the process free from pain, disease, hunger, inequality, work, etc. They might subsequently have little interest in the outward universe. But even then, I think they'd have interest in trying to find other life, but maybe not. Maybe they're highly xenophobic.




Excellent post my man! :shroomhead:


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I think the entire cosmology people assume "is going on", in fact, ISN'T, and the aliens are inter-dimensional vs physical. No need for ships when you can bend matter at the quantum level, bitches! :sunny:





I've often speculated that. Perhaps if some intelligent species can get past blowing itself up, technological advancement reaches the point that beings transcend matter and energy and go into a higher dimension of reality. Of course, several hypotheses in physics, including to an extent quantum theory, unequivocally posit dimensions beyond the four we are familiar with. So perhaps at a certain point, putative aliens would not exist in physical bodies transmitting light signals, but simply vanish from our consensus reality. Good point.




Yes exactly, glad you understand my point! :sunny:

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If the government propaganda or secretive behavior denies the existence of UFO's then a majority of people will ignore all claims to the contrary even by scientists who were called in (by said government) to inspect the site damages that were done by UFO's (which could not have been done by nature or human engineering) such as:
Isolated locations with clear impressions/compressions in soils from landing saucers with regularly shaped landing pads leading to computations of vehicular weights ranging from 20,000 lbs to 60,000 lbs.

The NASA Scientist who wrote the book referenced has also examined flattened crops demonstrating similar size and computed weight offsets without direct contact (due to compression by shaped fields emitted by UFO's), often with residual radioactivity and no other explanations where vehicles were observed hovering and taking off at rapid accelerations.

In the book, "Unconventional Flying Objects: A Former NASA Scientist Explains How UFOs Really Work
Hill, Paul R.", the evidence is used to generate consistent mathematical formulas explaining UFO behavior in space, in the sky and on land such that no known physical laws are flaunted, and strongly suggesting that these craft do indeed achieve interstellar speeds that traverse space faster than the speed of light (for the occupants, not for an observer) apparently in each case by manipulating fields such as gravity in a precision directed way.

The Glowing and indefinite outline shapes that are seen are due to field effects in the surrounding air required to keep the crafts aloft and to shape the surrounding space to enable supersonic speeds that would otherwise burn up metal flying machines in our atmosphere.  Humming sounds reported correspond generally to colors and behaviors or the craft, and a series of computations are shown that address that as well.

A few physical samples of one exploded UFO suggests composition that uses unique alloys of magnesium; and the strange hairy webbing that is often collected which falls from the craft also have odd metallic composition which if not kept cold will sublimate - and as such usually vaporize at room temperature.

It was an enjoyable read, but I am hoping to hear something even more interesting soon from that "To The Stars" company which formed 2 years back, and which claims to have more physical evidence and factual evidence than has so far been made public.

In any case, I have not personally witnessed any UFO, but see no reason to discount the possibility that they have been here - that they are more advanced than our flying machines - and that the powers that be, who  have no defense against them, are worried that people will act weird if Aliens are admitted to be here (illegally, and 'threateningly' with more advanced tech).




Another great post.

Which leads me to my next bit of speculation: what if the government is fully aware of this stuff, but can't control it, so they HAVE to try and marginalize all evidence to cover THEIR asses - imagine if people found out that nobody can control abductions or this stuff etc. That would instantly drop people's trust and credibility for anything lol.


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Re: Fermi’s paradox: Where are all the aliens? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26442574 - 01/20/20 02:35 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Topic is heading towards the cover up and conspiracy section.

I'm out.


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Re: Fermi’s paradox: Where are all the aliens? [Re: Northerner]
    #26442586 - 01/20/20 03:06 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

I'll be honest I totally spaced this wasn't conspiracy; there's so many threads on UFO/Alien shit I didn't notice we're in philosophy. My bad!

I definitely did not intentionally mean to derail into speculation! Ignore me.


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Re: Fermi’s paradox: Where are all the aliens? [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #26442613 - 01/20/20 04:24 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)



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Re: Fermi’s paradox: Where are all the aliens? [Re: Antigov]
    #26442910 - 01/20/20 10:17 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

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Or maybe in this simulation there is no aliens?




Who made the simulation? Perhaps this.

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(They exist in higher dimensions, don’t want to be seen (listening but not transmitting), what have you).




So advance and prosperous while Watching the simulation/trials Silently. As John bell's q.entaglement trials are quite fascinating and intriguing on the observe particles.


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Re: Fermi’s paradox: Where are all the aliens? [Re: laughingdog] * 2
    #26442920 - 01/20/20 10:24 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

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....The human brain is really too big for birthing safely and easily thru the human pelvis.
Any evolutionist can find & point out many other, sub optimal aspects of human anatomy.
No native peoples wore glasses, in some ways we are de-volving.
Neanderthals brains were larger than ours.
The default mode for humans, is for emotion, the unconscious mind, & reproductive and aggression related hormones to run the show most of the time, not reason--hence the state of the world today.
We are not as special as we think we are.





...Evidence for my claim that: "Any evolutionist can find & point out many other, sub optimal aspects of human anatomy.", may be found at these links, it is quite interesting:
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/human-flaws-demonstrate-evolution-not-intelligent-design/

https://www.amazon.com/Human-Errors-Panorama-Glitches-Pointless/dp/1328974693/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

...note other books on the subject at Amazon, if one scrolls around:

https://thehumanevolutionblog.com/2015/01/12/the-poor-design-of-the-human-eye/

...In the light of these facts, any truly objective intelligence would consider that the human brain, is also most likely pretty flawed, defective, or only a beginning version of an animal brain compared to what might be possible, were the human pelvis larger etc.

...Going further with the statement that: "The default mode for humans, is for emotion, the unconscious mind, & reproductive and aggression related hormones to run the show most of the time, not reason--hence the state of the world today. "
...It is interesting to note that the people with really special abilities are those who are more or less devoid, of the emotions that most people, spend most of their time being involved with, (as social activities are facilitated by emotion based behavior & folks love to socialize)--and these gifted people are called "autistic".

...When we consider the extraordinary abilities, (of about 10% of them), and compare ourselves, or even mensa members, to them it is apparent, that the design of humans, as regards both the brain and brain-hormone-nervous systems-glandular interactions is not only far from optimal, but is in fact only a solution that evolution came up with at a certain point in time, for a primate in a very wild habitat.

http://brighttots.com/Autism/Autistic_special_abilities.html

...Some might say that humans, are really only clever, and mostly not intelligent (when we take the term intelligence to incorporate some wisdom as well). In support of this, is the well known fact that modern capitalism puts profit over everything else.
Two examples are the present state of the world (climate change comes to mind), and the tobacco/cigarette industry. The  tobacco/cigarette industry is certainly profitable, but all those involved are both morally defective and on some level just plain fucking stupid, and there are at the very least thousands of them, plying their trade. Anyone can think of dozens of such examples.

...Anyone who has read "Lost Horizon" about"Shangri-La" * is familiar, with the idea that truly intelligent folks, do tend to isolate themselves, from the masses (as elitist as it sounds); - and monasteries and ashrams are perhaps the most familiar example. I doubt any species that was actually intelligent would have any more need for us, than the monks of our own species who prefer, to avoid the mass of us, who like getting drunk, watching 'professional' wrestling, manufacturing weapons, and the hundreds of other dumb activities that amuse most of us.

...Given that there are already wiser folks on the planet, than say maybe 99% of us, and say maybe 95% of us ignore them, I see no reason, to expect much from the fantasy of alien contact. I have enjoyed some sci-fi movies on the subject, but expect that those with any hope in this regard are driven by emotions similar to those who are traditionally religious.

.  .*...from wiki "Shangri-La is a fictional place described in the 1933 novel Lost Horizon by British author James Hilton. ... a permanently happy land, isolated from the world."


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Re: Fermi’s paradox: Where are all the aliens? [Re: laughingdog]
    #26443017 - 01/20/20 11:32 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Great share. I have an autistic nephew and could'nt agree more on the devolution aspects below standards. The default mode for humans, is for emotion pleasure seeking, the unconscious mind, & reproductive and aggression related hormones to run the show most of the time, not reason--hence the state of the world today.


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Re: Fermi’s paradox: Where are all the aliens? [Re: pacmanbreed] * 1
    #26443036 - 01/20/20 11:45 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Yes, pacmanbreed
..I would agree with both pleasure and emotion. It is a good idea to include pleasure seeking.
For example it is also recognized here as important. I hope to read more in this book.

"The Pleasure Trap: Mastering the Hidden Force that Undermines Health & Happiness
by Douglas J. Lisle  (Author), Alan Goldhamer (Author)

..I think it necessary to include emotion because, the flip side of our pleasure seeking is all the aggressive emotions that have helped motivate thousands of years of almost continual warfare, torture, slavery and so on,  on the planet.
...Certainly the emotions can be thought of as included within the category of the hormones that promote aggression. But I suppose both terms, don't really give the impression of the horrors that people have perpetrated on one another. Before guns, as we already know but perhaps forget, warfare involved guys hacking each others limbs off, (to say nothing, of the highly inventive tortures, practiced by many cultures).
...Even today, those who have a chance to observe family life, among those who have small children of similar ages, very often see, sibling rivalry rivalry that is totally out of any rational control, that goes on obsessively for years.


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Re: Fermi’s paradox: Where are all the aliens? [Re: laughingdog] * 1
    #26443263 - 01/20/20 02:28 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

In regards to: "I have enjoyed some sci-fi movies on the subject, but expect that those with any hope in this regard are driven by emotions similar to those who are traditionally religious."
and
"The default mode for humans, is for emotion, [ and pleasure seeking], the unconscious mind, & reproductive and aggression related hormones to run the show most of the time, not reason."

...on second thought it seems we "should" also include vanity...
why? ... because, the reference to religiosity above reminds us that millions of folks, for hundreds of years, have imagined not only a personal 'god' who gives a shit about so called 'humanity', but have also believed that this "god" is interested in them personally.
...And we see almost exactly the same tendency, among those who think the search for, and hope for finding off planet intelligent life, is a worthwhile endeavor while  people continue to starve on earth, can't control their birthrate, continue to make war, torture each other, while criminalizing psychedelics, and in general avoiding those things that raise awareness, and indulging in those things that reduce awareness.
...Sure seems like vanity, arrogance, & in general selfishness, all belong in the list of the human default mode; whereas those qualities traditionally called virtues all take hard work to develop even slightly -- of course this is not a new idea--but seems to have been forgotten by those who put faith in intelligent aliens coming to the rescue, or having any interest in a species intent on destroying its own home.


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Re: Fermi’s paradox: Where are all the aliens? [Re: laughingdog] * 3
    #26443567 - 01/20/20 05:37 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Your post reminds me of another aspect I've often considered when thinking about this: unlimited expansion and notions of "manifest destiny." It may be very strange and unusual for a species to expand and consume the way we do. That is, going back thousands of years, our culture and very few (if any) others have been bent, essentially, on world domination. Our culture, going back to the Fertile Crescent, has always been about expansion and conquest. Anthropologists know that the vast majority of human cultures over time are not at all this way, most of which were notably sustainable and local.

So this notion that we must "jump off" and continue this behavior on other planets may not be something one sees in the universe very much. As evolution applies everywhere in nature, cultures bent on domination will probably always at some point run out of resources or run themselves into the ground, as it goes against sustainability and essentially all ecological principles we know of.

Perhaps this "manifest destiny" is peculiar to us. Certainly, many social commentators and comedians have pointed out that if we go off-planet, all we'll do is pollute and ruin world after world. Some destiny!


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Re: Fermi’s paradox: Where are all the aliens? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #26443683 - 01/20/20 06:47 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Interesting point.
As regards diseases I have read there are 2 types
those that kill the host and those that don't.

Rabies is a disease that kills the host, as it spreads by causing its 'hosts' to bite others, and thus spreads even after the 1st host is dead.

Other diseases are air borne, such as the 'common' cold and the longer the host lives, the more it spreads itself.

...Modern humans at least metaphorically can be compared to the type of virus that kills the host. But in this case there are no other hosts available to kill. If civilization, was the cause of expansionism & the urge to dominate I don't know . The 3 patriarchal Religions of the middle East wouldn't seem to be the cause, as the Romans were also expansion and empire minded; this would seem to let American style capitalism off the hook too.
I suppose another possibility is that it just took awhile for our true nature to emerge.

...Attila the huns date was c. 406–453), according to one source, another said "Attila the Hun and his warriors rose from the plains of Scythia, modern-day southern Russia and Kazakhstan, and spread terror across Europe."
Seem he was outside of civilization and the Fertile Crescent.

...Leaving aside the issue of: a program of Empire and Dominance, I think much of the other evidence, as regards human aggressive tendencies, belief in superstitions, vanity, and in general a preference for emotionality over reason, xenophobia, the brain being based firstly on the same structure as land animals, in very dangerous wild environments & only secondly with the cobbled-on, add on of a frontal cortex, with some autistics vastly out performing the standard model, the prevalence of much warring behavior even among native peoples outside the fertile crescent, still stands.
...And this leads me to regard hope or great interest in 'alien contact' as having the same emotional basis as belief in the saving power of any one of thousands of "gods'' humans have believed in at one time or another.

...Also it seems over looked is that humans are totally interdependent on the rest of their ecological environment. The fact that a few humans have orbited the earth for a few months does not disprove this, where as the microbiome and its importance does show our interdependence on earth and other life forms also resident on the planet, for millions of years.
If there are exoplanetary life forms, they are probably interdependent on their planet and other life forms also resident on their planet, for millions of years.

...So I think humans both overate themselves to an absurd degree, and overate their importance to an absurd degree.

...Seems to me, If we had the least bit of real intelligence/wisdom/compassion and real cooperative ability, guys like the Dali Lama or Eckhart Tolle (or someone with some wisdom) would run things, not assholes like Putin and Trump, et al.
But it seems we, in general are more like primates, in clothing putting on airs, than the ideals we aspire to.


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Re: Fermi’s paradox: Where are all the aliens? [Re: laughingdog]
    #26443759 - 01/20/20 07:39 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Yes, good points. The notion that alien contact has replaced contact with gods and angels is, I think, particularly apt. We read in the literature about how all nonordinary visions in the Middle Ages involved, God, Jesus, Mary or angels, and this seems to have been replaced by aliens and UFOs in the twentieth century. Being purely agnostic about the basis of the various subjects, the "contactee" phenomena are somehow tied, and probably not meaningfully related to their respective subjects in any natural way.

As far as Attila, I think his region was connected to the Fertile Crescent by the direct spread of agriculture, but that is not really important.

Indeed, humans rely on Earth for their very being. Your point about the microbiome is very relevant. There was a thread a few months back to the effect that all sorts of things (mostly unenvisioned) could go wrong off planet for the squishy human organism, and the whole fairy tale about space migration in our current form is pretty ridiculous.

Yes, our institutions and our leaders, and Trump, are a reflection of ourselves. If people were basically they way we "ought to be," and not what we are, the world would be a dramatically different place.

We are indeed primates wearing clothing and putting on airs. And not a whole not more by the looks of things.


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Re: Fermi’s paradox: Where are all the aliens? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #26444082 - 01/20/20 11:23 PM (4 years, 8 days ago)

Great to topic, Base on those conversation. And in this theory.
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(They exist in higher dimensions, don’t want to be seen (listening but not transmitting), what have you).




Been thinkering, Us containing a part of those listeners & obervers. genes/dna/imparts/etc specially like The default mode for humans, is for emotion pleasure seeking, vanity, the unconscious mind, & reproductive and aggression related hormones to run the show most of the time, not reason--hence the state of the world today.
The observers may have experienced self-destruction or almost at a brink of it at somepoints hence the useful simulation/trials comes to play.

in my opinion there is still transmition though not in a radio-wave technological form, nor what eyes can observe from a scope but more of metaphysical aspects inside of ourselves and the other self/person that is right next to us. Eg. in a conversation.


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Re: Fermi’s paradox: Where are all the aliens? [Re: pacmanbreed]
    #26444442 - 01/21/20 08:25 AM (4 years, 8 days ago)

so basically super alien beings have an aversion to insanity and earth is just too full of it.

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Re: Fermi’s paradox: Where are all the aliens? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26444472 - 01/21/20 09:01 AM (4 years, 8 days ago)

Earth is not yet almost too full but a bit close.. Can be the other way around on the other side.


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Re: Fermi’s paradox: Where are all the aliens? [Re: pacmanbreed]
    #26444675 - 01/21/20 11:19 AM (4 years, 8 days ago)

Did the idea ever cross your minds...that the human species killed everything else a long time ago?? Everything within reach able means, that is. Its kind of obvious...1+1=2


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Re: Fermi’s paradox: Where are all the aliens? [Re: Mr. D Green]
    #26444761 - 01/21/20 12:18 PM (4 years, 8 days ago)

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Did the idea ever cross your minds...that the human species killed everything else a long time ago?? Everything within reach able means, that is. Its kind of obvious...1+1=2




Your not alone It did. Though i view it as a 3 side of a coin one side is dead empty. The other side is a advancely complex and colorful. Here is the middle. 2+0+1


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Re: Fermi’s paradox: Where are all the aliens? [Re: pacmanbreed] * 1
    #26445557 - 01/22/20 02:41 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

In H.G. Wells "war of the Worlds" what eventually kills the martians is:
"The Martians on Earth are eventually killed by earth-borne bacteria, of which their immune systems couldn't cope due to having destroyed diseases on their home world of Mars."
And the europeans decimated native populations with germs, as one can read about in:
"Guns, Germs, and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies (previously titled Guns, Germs and Steel: A Short History of Everybody for the Last 13,000 Years) is a 1997 transdisciplinary non-fiction book by Jared Diamond, professor of geography and physiology at the University of California, Los Angeles"

So if there were "alien" contact, even were we & them friendly, its easy to imagine both us & them getting unintentionally wiped out. The Grim reaper always gets the last laugh.

https://gypsyrepresent.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/kali_by_raja_ravi_varma.jpg

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=grim+reaper&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images


In the parody "Mars Attacks", it is bad music that kill the martians:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/alienfilm/images/5/50/Martians_%28Mars_Attacks%21%29.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140812142712

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Attacks!

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mars+attacks&iax=images&iar=images&ia=images


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Re: Fermi’s paradox: Where are all the aliens? [Re: laughingdog] * 1
    #26445831 - 01/22/20 08:39 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

How would you answer Fermi’s paradox?

I dunno. What is reliable evidence in this context first of all? Consensus?


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