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SHTF medicinal garden: What would you grow?
    #26439485 - 01/18/20 01:39 AM (4 years, 30 days ago)

So, recent events have apparently turned me into a "prepper" as a part of this process, I am trying to start an herbal apothecary garden featuring plants that would be useful or indispensable in the event that I and my community should find ourselves without the services of medical facilities and/or commercial pharmaceuticals.

My list so far includes some basic culinary herbs ( thyme, oregano, basil rosemary, and sage) Herbs that produce high concentrations of thymol (i.e. thyme) are probably the most useful of these as antiseptics/sanitizers.

Yarrow, mainly as a styptic to stop bleeding, but also supposedly has antiseptic properties, though I'm not sure I would necessarily want to pack a gunshot wound with it.

I want to include herbs that are, without a doubt, effective treatments for certain conditions, and P. somniferum falls into that category, possibly better than any other plant. If I have a broken leg, a kidney stone, or diarrhea so bad I might die from it, I definitely want some of that around. Suggestions of which varieties I should grow are most welcome.

Wild Senna (Senna hebecarpa) for constipation, though I'm not sure how effective it would be compared to Senna alexandrina, it is native to my area, and as such should theoretically be a more reliable crop.

Then, I also have some other useful plants that are useful for starting fires, such as horseweed, which is native to my area and makes excellent spindles for hand-drill friction fire, and mullein, which is very good for bowdrill friction fire, and flax, rattlesnake master, and yucca which produce fibers which can be used for the Rudiger roll method (my personal favorite, check youtube for videos on this.)


As far as P. somniferum, are there different ways to process it for different uses, (cough, pain, diarrhea, etc.) I know codeine is usually used for cough syrup, and morphine is used for pain, how would I process my poppies for more of one or the other, and which would be better for diarrhea? is there even maybe some way to convert it into a non-habit forming compound for treating diarrhea, like loperamide hydrochloride? or for treating opiate dependency, such as methadone? My resources for converting one opiate into another would presumably be limited in such a situation. Is morphine/codeine ratio pretty much my only options in an almost-end-of-the-world type scenario?

I feel I should mention that I do not want to become a drug dealer selling addictive drugs to desperate drug addicts in a dire situation should society collapse. My goal is to be able to do all that I can to help other members of my community survive a nationwide and/or global catastrophe.


I live in USDA zone 7a, and have a heavy clay loam which I know is capable of growing grass very well, and my Bradford pear trees don't seem to be struggling, either. The couple of Maples I have seem to be... hanging in there... kinda. The woods next door are doing well, and the osage oranges at the fenceline don't seem to have any trouble producing plenty of fruit. I mention these things because I need plants that will thrive in the environment that I can provide for them. Any plant that needs zone 9 and luxuriously deep loamy humus ain't gonna make it here. Here we got clay, and in the situation I'm preparing for, we got nothing but hand tools to work this heavy clay. Maybe I can scrape up some lawn clippings and humanure, but that's about it. I might have a broadfork, I dunno. We'll see.


Anyway, gimmee plants that'll help people not die in a relatively soft apocalypse (i.e. no government, no doctors, no hospitals, no walmarts, no drugstores, but nobody's glowing from too much radiation, but maybe a little radiation, who knows...)




Also, watch Virginia. It's gonna be a total shitshow this week. Good luck out there, everybody.


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Re: SHTF medicinal garden: What would you grow? [Re: Baby_Hitler] * 1
    #26439499 - 01/18/20 01:55 AM (4 years, 30 days ago)

Im type 2 Diabetic. Apparently Goats Rue contains Metformin. Ive been considering growing some of this myself. Might be a good addition for what you're looking for.

IIRC some Datura Species can prevent Asthma attacks. Thats probably a good one to have too.


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Re: SHTF medicinal garden: What would you grow? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #26439506 - 01/18/20 02:02 AM (4 years, 30 days ago)

Man youve hit on so many useful plants already. Maybe some aloe for burns inside? some wormwood or black walnut or strong preperations of thyme for worming yourself. Some herbs for dealing with fungal infections, I think angelica root was good for that.

Plenty of cannabis please.

Should probably have some abortificants on hand, dont want to have kids when the worlds going to shit. something like... syrian rue or pennyroyal.


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Re: SHTF medicinal garden: What would you grow? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #26439528 - 01/18/20 02:18 AM (4 years, 30 days ago)

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Im type 2 Diabetic. Apparently Goats Rue contains Metformin. Ive been considering growing some of this myself. Might be a good addition for what you're looking for.

IIRC some Datura Species can prevent Asthma attacks. Thats probably a good one to have too.





I'll definitely look into that. My mom's pre-diabetic, so anything that could help with that would be great.


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Re: SHTF medicinal garden: What would you grow? [Re: Neumonic]
    #26439531 - 01/18/20 02:20 AM (4 years, 30 days ago)

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Man youve hit on so many useful plants already. Maybe some aloe for burns inside? some wormwood or black walnut or strong preperations of thyme for worming yourself. Some herbs for dealing with fungal infections, I think angelica root was good for that.

Plenty of cannabis please.

Should probably have some abortificants on hand, dont want to have kids when the worlds going to shit. something like... syrian rue or pennyroyal.





Absinthe ingredients are already on my radar. I have wormwood, lemon balm, and hyssop ready to go. Angelica is on that list, too.


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Re: SHTF medicinal garden: What would you grow? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #26440017 - 01/18/20 10:56 AM (4 years, 29 days ago)

Echinacea unless it already grows wild and abundant.


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Re: SHTF medicinal garden: What would you grow? [Re: ChRnZN]
    #26440105 - 01/18/20 11:48 AM (4 years, 29 days ago)

Hmmm, I thought I had that on my list, but I can't find it in any of my 3 shopping carts I have going on this.

Lemme see if I can get my whole list straight

Chammomile, Lemon balm, Bee Balm, peppermint, spearmint, catnip, horehound, wormwood, marigold, nasturtium, yarrow, sage, basil, oregano, thyme, echinacea, borage, tansy, mullein, flax, wild senna, horseweed, joe pye weed, rattlesnake master, yucca, angelica, and poppy.

Then, I'm also looking into some that have been posted here.


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Re: SHTF medicinal garden: What would you grow? [Re: ChRnZN] * 1
    #26440187 - 01/18/20 12:48 PM (4 years, 29 days ago)

Before I get into what I'm currently growing, some words for those who may be new to prepping, growing food and herbs for SHTF or civil unrest.

I recommend stocking up now while the getting is good, however, stuff like anti-biotics have a limited shelf life and some will become poisonous beyond their expiration date when the molecules degrade. There are also gram-positive and gram-negative bacteria, so you need several broad-spectrum that attack both.

Do not overlook planning for the gardens defense, there will be people roaming the cities and countryside if there is any significant amount of civil unrest.

Keeping it out of sight is the first line of defense, fences, natural barriers like agave and blackberries, are secondary deterrence. I won't go into surveillance.

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A partial list of what I grow, some of it is planted, some is native to the area and its hardly all in one place:


Cold / Flu fighters:
Echinacea, Purple and Green Twister
Mint, unknown
Peppermint, (on order)
Bee Balm, native
Bee Balm, Wild Bergamot

Cullinary:
Basil, Cardinal, Cinnamon, Thai Sweet, and Black Opal Basil
Anise, (Dognip)
Dill
Catnip
Elephant garlic, generic garlic
Onions
Cilantro
Lemon Grass
Rosemary
Syrian Rue, (Work in progress)
Oregeno Vulgaris
Wild garlic scapes
Wild Purslane
Garlic chives

Anti-bacterial
Thyme
Lambs-quarter, (Need to order)

Painkillers
Willow Tree, (Need to order)

Plants like dill, Elephant garlic, Garlic chives, cilantro, Bee Balm, mint, wild garlic, etc, all self seed and are scattered around the area and aren't in any one place. A flood kind of ensured that Cilantro was spread everywhere. Since this thread popped up, I'm ordering several more plants, Hyssopus officinalis, Camomile (German), etc. Most of my herbs are still in 72 flats right now.


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Re: SHTF medicinal garden: What would you grow? [Re: DancingWolf]
    #26440646 - 01/18/20 06:36 PM (4 years, 29 days ago)

Andrographis paniculata for viral infections, flu for one.

Artemisia annua, Bidens spp., Sida acuta for malaria, Lyme and other systemic bacterial infections

Scutellaria baicalensis is also good for anxiety, Lyme, and can suppress TLR receptor pathways. I'm not a molecular biologist but as I understand when your body kills a bacteria, many will release one of this kind of molecule which activates the TLR receptors, maybe others I'm not sure.
It's my first hand experience of Lyme herxheimer reactions, when the body is successful in killing the bacteria, you will feel absolutely miserable, nauseous, can't think straight, just want to lay in a sleepless agony. This seems to be due to the activation of the TLR and subsequent inflammation of the nervous system. I have had noticeable help from baikal skullcap, licorice, turmeric+pepper, and cannabis in reducing those symptoms to a bearable level.

As I understand this endotoxin effect can occur in other situations where your body is exposed to too much bacteria at one time. Sepsis being a prime example, and I believe there has been some research lately in delaying death in sepsis cases, here's one paper

Supposedly S. baicalensis disrupts biofilms, a major method for bacteria resisting antibiotics in the body (1) (2)


I got some Glycyrrhiza lepidota seeds from prairie moon nursery, native to much of the US including VA. Love me some licorice  :willienelson:


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Re: SHTF medicinal garden: What would you grow? [Re: Baby_Hitler] * 1
    #26440669 - 01/18/20 06:53 PM (4 years, 29 days ago)

This is gonna sound bad, but actually you'd really want these around:

1. Opium: The ultimate painkiller. Need to pull a tooth? Need to saw off a leg? You want this in the long run for medical emergencies. Plus you might be able to trade with it.

2. Ephedra Sinica and/or Khat: strong stimulants. Useful in emergencies. Also the base of several other drugs so if you know chemistry you could produce some useful stuff.

3. Datura (or another classical deliriant): useful to stop hemorrhage during childbirth. Should only be used for this in emergencies as it can be fatal, and obviously causes severe nightmarish hallucinations. Also useful as an antidote to some types of ACH poisoning, but you'd probably have to prepare it in such a way that you could inject it for it to be really useful there.

4. Nicotine: for money/trade. Also useful for growing crops (as an insecticide) and for treating certain illnesses in livestock.

5. Willow tree: can be used with a bit of chemistry to make aspirin.

6. Coca plant: because COCAINE. Obvious source of income and trade material in addition to being a stimulant. Also useful for certain medical procedures.

7. Cannabis, mushrooms, mescaline: for trade and self use.

8. MHRB and syrian rue/any other ayahuasca combo: This seems like it's just for psychedelic use, but actually ayahuasca causes its users to vomit so hard that they can clear intestinal parasites. It's speculated that native peoples valued it partially for this use.

9. Rye: Beer and alcohol, but more importantly ergot. The alcohol alone has enormous use as a disinfectant if purified. Plus bread and food and stuff that comes from rye is useful. Ergot is also useful to stop hemorrhage during childbirth.

That's just off the top of my head.


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Re: SHTF medicinal garden: What would you grow? [Re: nooneman]
    #26440981 - 01/18/20 11:41 PM (4 years, 29 days ago)

I'm thinking stuff to get rid of worms would be good. I imagine there will probably be a lot of that going around.


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Re: SHTF medicinal garden: What would you grow? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #26441030 - 01/19/20 12:44 AM (4 years, 29 days ago)

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Im type 2 Diabetic. Apparently Goats Rue contains Metformin. Ive been considering growing some of this myself. Might be a good addition for what you're looking for.

IIRC some Datura Species can prevent Asthma attacks. Thats probably a good one to have too.





Goat's Rue contains Galegine, which is chemically similar to Metformin, though much more toxic. It was used in the 1920's until other, better drugs were developed.


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Re: SHTF medicinal garden: What would you grow? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #26441573 - 01/19/20 11:53 AM (4 years, 28 days ago)

Prickly pears are supposedly quite good for diabetics. The sap lowers blood sugar and cholesterol by preventing its absorption. I have a plot prickly pears as a doomsday food experiment because the pads are edible and you can press a cooking oil from them. They grow in almost anything and don't get very many diseases, any pests can be killed with soapy water.

I also wanted to make value added products like jelly to sell but my plants are only about two years old and aren't growing many fruits yet. I may hit them with some soft-rock phosphorus this year to try and increase fruiting. I'll transition from the 2" thorned prickly pears, to the thornless Ficus Indica when they grow bigger. Indian Figs are pretty slow to grow but will ultimately yield a better crop. There is the side hustle of selling pads to cactus collectors.


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Re: SHTF medicinal garden: What would you grow? [Re: DancingWolf]
    #26441914 - 01/19/20 04:13 PM (4 years, 28 days ago)

There is a South or Central American plant called a spinach tree. It’s easy to root from cuttings, it grows fast, and it is supposed to be extremely nutritious. It was so delicious that the deer in my neighborhood ate all of mine down to the roots. Other than that, it’s supposed to be an excellent emergency food plant for preppers.


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Re: SHTF medicinal garden: What would you grow? [Re: JizzMasterZero]
    #26458981 - 01/29/20 07:10 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

Depending on your USDA Zone and available space you could start looking into permaculture/food forest setups too. They're generally low maintenance, don't require chemical inputs (e.g. fertilizers), and a long term food source if you choose the right plants.


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Re: SHTF medicinal garden: What would you grow? [Re: Sempeur]
    #26461525 - 01/31/20 05:19 AM (4 years, 17 days ago)

Permaculture is an interesting topic. I enjoy watching the grown to cook channel on youtube. It is hosted by a dutch woman who explains and shows a lot of the principles well.


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Re: SHTF medicinal garden: What would you grow? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #26464539 - 02/02/20 01:29 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

I've got a real exciting one for you:  potatoes!

  • Good eats with some flavoring
  • Distill into ethanol for drinking/trade with a simple 'still
  • Distill into ethanol for sterilization
  • Distill into ethanol for fuel (probably go through too much too fast though)
  • Distill into ethanol for starting fires easily (or making Molotov cocktails instead of wasting dwindling gasoline reserves)
  • Easily grow a ton in a relatively small area (unlike grains; sadly beer is a drink of civilization!).  All you need is a burlap sack, soil, and some chopped up prior-generation taters.


If you're really facing brute survival, you're going to want to have multifunctional crops that address the most basic needs in as fool-proof and resilient a way as possible.  Hell, if you grow in sacks you can even pile quite a few potato plants in the bed of a pickup and take off for greener pastures if remaining becomes untenable.  (I don't want to think about the first wildfire season in my area without fire crews and tanker planes!)  Unless you can grow copious amounts of sugar cane, I can't think of another crop that'll make more ethanol for your effort.  But certainly "grow" some bees too!  Oh and that distillery will clean many water contaminants for you too, though not all and you'd better augment your mineral intake.

As for opium processing, yes you can process it into its constituent parts with a bit of chemistry (see erowid for a start), but anything beyond the main component (morphine) is going to be a lot of complexity for a very small (quantity) return.  Morphine makes up 10-20% of opium latex, codeine up to 2%, others much less.  Opium tea and laudanum go a long way for serious pain.  If you truly need pure morphine, you probably need a sterile OR and a sterile surgeon, i.e., you're fucked anyway.


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Re: SHTF medicinal garden: What would you grow? [Re: Fracturtle]
    #26467796 - 02/04/20 12:52 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Yo, respective dawgs. I hear ya on the permaculture thing, but there's the thing, it takes for fucking ever to get a food forest up and running into production, an even then, the output per acre is meh compared to annuals. A decades old fruit & nut orchard can do pretty damn well, but it's just as inconsistent and unreliable as farming annuals, depending on the season. The main difference being, at a certain point most of the work is done when farming perennials. But even then, there is still some maintenance involved even with permaculture.

I did a small scale experiment with heavy lawn-clipping mulch and planting a shitload of different seeds to see what would grow straight out of an un-cultivated patch of grass last year, and I ot interesting results out of Mammoth Sunflowers, Sugar pumpkins, Seminole Pumpkins, and grain Sorghum.

This year, I'm trying out a system using these and a few new candidates sown directly into un-mulched lawn. I'm hoping they will take over and suppress the grass, yeild decently, and provide enough residue to  finish off the native grass and set the scene for something more productive the second year, all without the use of fossil fuel, or animal power.


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Re: SHTF medicinal garden: What would you grow? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #26467798 - 02/04/20 12:58 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Industrial hemp.

If SHTF, you're gonna need some rope. You also get multiple harvests as you can eat the seed or make nutritious oil out of it.

And it grows like a weed. The remaining biomass is good compost for other crops.


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Re: SHTF medicinal garden: What would you grow? [Re: susurrador]
    #26467799 - 02/04/20 01:00 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

I actually know somebody that could get me some hemp seeds, but they are only viable for a few years, and I have no practical way of producing fresh seed.


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