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I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? * 1
    #26438948 - 01/17/20 05:21 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Hey everyone! I am very new to psychedelics and am not sure where I should start. I have smoked a ton of crazy strong weed in my day but have never tried a thing stronger. I am dead set on trying DMT, but I have heard that people usually start lighter with shrooms or acid. What do you suggest. BTW I am located in colorado, so weed is legal and they just decriminalized shrooms this year. Any suggestions for someone just starting out?


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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? [Re: DarkBird]
    #26438975 - 01/17/20 05:35 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Start with whatever you feel like. Just make sure you've done enough research to do it safely, that your set and setting is good and that you start off with a low dose (shrooms - 2g, lsd - 100mcg, dmt - idk... maybe 30mg?)

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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? [Re: dk-1]
    #26438980 - 01/17/20 05:38 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you. I need to figure out where to get some acid. I feel like that is what I want to try first. Maybe shrooms though. It sucks being antisocial and needing a drug dealer. This country's drug laws are criminal.


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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? [Re: DarkBird]
    #26439084 - 01/17/20 06:50 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

You could always cultivate your own mushrooms.  It's a very rewarding experience.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24420178
That way you know what you will be consuming.

Acid is fun but LSD is hard to come by in most places.

There is nothing wrong with jumping right into DMT in my opinion.

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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? [Re: MycoStu]
    #26439108 - 01/17/20 07:06 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Too be honest, I don't know how I would feel about anything other than what I grew.
I bought some cocaine in Aug in Dwnver from someone I knew closely.  Not their fault but it was shit.
Not sure what they are cutting it with these days.

Same goes with LSD,  who k ows exactly what you might get.

Grow your own shrooms, know the cultivator personally...

Hadn't used coke in 25 years never will buy again.

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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? [Re: DarkBird]
    #26439287 - 01/17/20 09:13 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Acid is equally easy to find everywhere on earth. Just use DNM.

Personally, I'd recommend mushrooms for a first time, but there is a case to be made for acid the first time.

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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? (moved) [Re: DarkBird]
    #26439504 - 01/18/20 01:59 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? (moved) [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #26439512 - 01/18/20 02:05 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? (moved) [Re: madmodder]
    #26439513 - 01/18/20 02:06 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

@OP
2C-B is the best starter, if you can't get that try a low dose of acid first, shrooms can get confusing


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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? [Re: DarkBird]
    #26439517 - 01/18/20 02:08 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

My first was 5-MeO-DALT. It was magical.

I wouldn't jump straight to DMT. I mean, you can, but if you're going on a journey you don't kill the boss right away. Of course, that boss could be what helps you discover the journey.


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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? (moved) [Re: madmodder]
    #26439520 - 01/18/20 02:10 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? (moved) [Re: wildernessjunkie] * 1
    #26439522 - 01/18/20 02:11 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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The Psychedelic Experience for sure, all the psyches mentioned (except for my post about 2C-B) were per the forum rules for TPE


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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? (moved) [Re: DarkBird] * 1
    #26439529 - 01/18/20 02:18 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? (moved) [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #26439558 - 01/18/20 02:50 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? [Re: dk-1]
    #26439585 - 01/18/20 03:31 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Start with whatever you feel like. Just make sure you've done enough research to do it safely, that your set and setting is good and that you start off with a low dose (shrooms - 2g, lsd - 100mcg, dmt - idk... maybe 30mg?)




I agree with this. All psychedelics are powerful and variable. Start where you think you’ll feel most comfortable. Make sure to test your substances or, if possible, in the case of mushrooms, be your own supplier :wink:

With dosage, I can only make recommendations with mushrooms. If that is the route you choose, take a dose you feel you’ll be most comfortable with. I personally started with 3.5g and it was the best experience of my life. But you must take potency and set/setting into account. Good luck on your journey :cheers:


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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? [Re: DarkBird]
    #26439593 - 01/18/20 03:47 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

DMT is an intense psychedelic and can be overwhelming. However, low doses of DMT is very manageable and you get a good taste of the psychedelic experience in general without freaking out from the experience.

If you decide on trying DMT, invest in a dab bong! I own one specifically for DMT and it works very well. Very user-friendly once you get the technique figured out.

And since this is the Shroomery, I highly recommend growing your own shrooms. Shrooms are the best overall psychedelic in my opinion, especially for first timers. One of the "friendliest" strains of cubenis that Ive found is African Transkei. Mazatepeca is another one as well. Lots of options out there but those are two of my personal favorites.


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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? [Re: DarkBird] * 1
    #26439795 - 01/18/20 07:47 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Since you already smoked cannabis, you actually have already accessed the psychedelic effect range, although cannabis is also a bit sedating (up to a point) and a bit horny, while it comes on quickly and is over in a reasonably short time allowing repetition of use through a single day - consumption and re-consumption is part of cannabis culture.

Your decision affectors are:
duration of high - eg, salvia and DMT provide extremely short experiences (for smoked effects) but the transitions from sober to extremely stoned and back are astonishing to behold, so one day you must try one or both just to see. all the others have strong effects from 3-12 hours depending on dose and ROI.
availability and legal risk -> mushrooms in your state are safe
ROI - route of intake and how fast the come up is ->
injection is fastest (10 seconds++) but usually not used with this class of drugs
smoking is next fastest (90 seconds++) but not applicable to all drugs.
snorting is next fastest (3-15 minutes) but pure powder points to RC's
boofing can be tried and some say it comes on faster than oral (?)
oral intake is slowest - effects come on usually between 30 - 90 minutes but can begin gently before, and commonly takes up to 3 hours to peak.

Mushrooms are a great choice as are any of the lysergamides but you must restructure your scheduled experimentation to allow for a long come up to peak, compared with the nearly instantaneous effects in your smoking experience history. This is a huge difference

Expect the ORAL ROI come up of shrooms or acid to be quite slow, and avoid smoking cannabis before or during your first experiment if you want to see what the shrooms or lsd do naturally on their own.

I love combining a small amount of cannabis with acid/shrooms later in the trip, but it really is a serious booster (sometimes shockingly) while it re-orients the experience towards more sparkle and lazy horniness.

All psychedelics produced time effects like sensory layering and intensification or trails as experienced moments fade more slowly, but the varying effects are governed by set and setting and dose as well as onset speed and other peculiarities of ROI, eg smells flavors etc.

The legality of what you do rarely impacts but when it does it is out of control, so by staying in the decriminalized zone you benefit from less worry and that is potentially a big Mind Set issue.


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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? [Re: zenarrow] * 1
    #26439900 - 01/18/20 09:20 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you! Sadly my living situation is such that I cannot grow my own, but I plan in testing anything I get!. Someday I definitely want to grow my own.


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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? [Re: Darwin23]
    #26439905 - 01/18/20 09:21 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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My first was 5-MeO-DALT. It was magical.

I wouldn't jump straight to DMT. I mean, you can, but if you're going on a journey you don't kill the boss right away. Of course, that boss could be what helps you discover the journey.



Thank you!


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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26439914 - 01/18/20 09:26 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Start with whatever you feel like. Just make sure you've done enough research to do it safely, that your set and setting is good and that you start off with a low dose (shrooms - 2g, lsd - 100mcg, dmt - idk... maybe 30mg?)




I agree with this. All psychedelics are powerful and variable. Start where you think you’ll feel most comfortable. Make sure to test your substances or, if possible, in the case of mushrooms, be your own supplier :wink:

With dosage, I can only make recommendations with mushrooms. If that is the route you choose, take a dose you feel you’ll be most comfortable with. I personally started with 3.5g and it was the best experience of my life. But you must take potency and set/setting into account. Good luck on your journey :cheers:




That is awesome! Thank you


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