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I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? 1
#26438948 - 01/17/20 05:21 PM (4 years, 12 days ago) |
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Hey everyone! I am very new to psychedelics and am not sure where I should start. I have smoked a ton of crazy strong weed in my day but have never tried a thing stronger. I am dead set on trying DMT, but I have heard that people usually start lighter with shrooms or acid. What do you suggest. BTW I am located in colorado, so weed is legal and they just decriminalized shrooms this year. Any suggestions for someone just starting out?
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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? [Re: DarkBird]
#26438975 - 01/17/20 05:35 PM (4 years, 12 days ago) |
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Start with whatever you feel like. Just make sure you've done enough research to do it safely, that your set and setting is good and that you start off with a low dose (shrooms - 2g, lsd - 100mcg, dmt - idk... maybe 30mg?)
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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? [Re: dk-1]
#26438980 - 01/17/20 05:38 PM (4 years, 12 days ago) |
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Thank you. I need to figure out where to get some acid. I feel like that is what I want to try first. Maybe shrooms though. It sucks being antisocial and needing a drug dealer. This country's drug laws are criminal.
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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? [Re: DarkBird]
#26439084 - 01/17/20 06:50 PM (4 years, 12 days ago) |
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You could always cultivate your own mushrooms. It's a very rewarding experience. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24420178 That way you know what you will be consuming.
Acid is fun but LSD is hard to come by in most places.
There is nothing wrong with jumping right into DMT in my opinion.
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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? [Re: MycoStu]
#26439108 - 01/17/20 07:06 PM (4 years, 12 days ago) |
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Too be honest, I don't know how I would feel about anything other than what I grew. I bought some cocaine in Aug in Dwnver from someone I knew closely. Not their fault but it was shit. Not sure what they are cutting it with these days.
Same goes with LSD, who k ows exactly what you might get.
Grow your own shrooms, know the cultivator personally...
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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? [Re: DarkBird]
#26439287 - 01/17/20 09:13 PM (4 years, 12 days ago) |
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Acid is equally easy to find everywhere on earth. Just use DNM.
Personally, I'd recommend mushrooms for a first time, but there is a case to be made for acid the first time.
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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? (moved) [Re: DarkBird]
#26439504 - 01/18/20 01:59 AM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? (moved) [Re: wildernessjunkie]
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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? (moved) [Re: madmodder]
#26439513 - 01/18/20 02:06 AM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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@OP 2C-B is the best starter, if you can't get that try a low dose of acid first, shrooms can get confusing
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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? [Re: DarkBird]
#26439517 - 01/18/20 02:08 AM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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My first was 5-MeO-DALT. It was magical.
I wouldn't jump straight to DMT. I mean, you can, but if you're going on a journey you don't kill the boss right away. Of course, that boss could be what helps you discover the journey.
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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? (moved) [Re: madmodder]
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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? (moved) [Re: wildernessjunkie] 1
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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? (moved) [Re: DarkBird] 1
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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? (moved) [Re: wildernessjunkie]
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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? [Re: dk-1]
#26439585 - 01/18/20 03:31 AM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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dk-1 said: Start with whatever you feel like. Just make sure you've done enough research to do it safely, that your set and setting is good and that you start off with a low dose (shrooms - 2g, lsd - 100mcg, dmt - idk... maybe 30mg?)
I agree with this. All psychedelics are powerful and variable. Start where you think you’ll feel most comfortable. Make sure to test your substances or, if possible, in the case of mushrooms, be your own supplier 
With dosage, I can only make recommendations with mushrooms. If that is the route you choose, take a dose you feel you’ll be most comfortable with. I personally started with 3.5g and it was the best experience of my life. But you must take potency and set/setting into account. Good luck on your journey
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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? [Re: DarkBird]
#26439593 - 01/18/20 03:47 AM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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DMT is an intense psychedelic and can be overwhelming. However, low doses of DMT is very manageable and you get a good taste of the psychedelic experience in general without freaking out from the experience.
If you decide on trying DMT, invest in a dab bong! I own one specifically for DMT and it works very well. Very user-friendly once you get the technique figured out.
And since this is the Shroomery, I highly recommend growing your own shrooms. Shrooms are the best overall psychedelic in my opinion, especially for first timers. One of the "friendliest" strains of cubenis that Ive found is African Transkei. Mazatepeca is another one as well. Lots of options out there but those are two of my personal favorites.
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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? [Re: DarkBird] 1
#26439795 - 01/18/20 07:47 AM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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Since you already smoked cannabis, you actually have already accessed the psychedelic effect range, although cannabis is also a bit sedating (up to a point) and a bit horny, while it comes on quickly and is over in a reasonably short time allowing repetition of use through a single day - consumption and re-consumption is part of cannabis culture.
Your decision affectors are: duration of high - eg, salvia and DMT provide extremely short experiences (for smoked effects) but the transitions from sober to extremely stoned and back are astonishing to behold, so one day you must try one or both just to see. all the others have strong effects from 3-12 hours depending on dose and ROI. availability and legal risk -> mushrooms in your state are safe ROI - route of intake and how fast the come up is -> injection is fastest (10 seconds++) but usually not used with this class of drugs smoking is next fastest (90 seconds++) but not applicable to all drugs. snorting is next fastest (3-15 minutes) but pure powder points to RC's boofing can be tried and some say it comes on faster than oral (?) oral intake is slowest - effects come on usually between 30 - 90 minutes but can begin gently before, and commonly takes up to 3 hours to peak.
Mushrooms are a great choice as are any of the lysergamides but you must restructure your scheduled experimentation to allow for a long come up to peak, compared with the nearly instantaneous effects in your smoking experience history. This is a huge difference
Expect the ORAL ROI come up of shrooms or acid to be quite slow, and avoid smoking cannabis before or during your first experiment if you want to see what the shrooms or lsd do naturally on their own.
I love combining a small amount of cannabis with acid/shrooms later in the trip, but it really is a serious booster (sometimes shockingly) while it re-orients the experience towards more sparkle and lazy horniness.
All psychedelics produced time effects like sensory layering and intensification or trails as experienced moments fade more slowly, but the varying effects are governed by set and setting and dose as well as onset speed and other peculiarities of ROI, eg smells flavors etc.
The legality of what you do rarely impacts but when it does it is out of control, so by staying in the decriminalized zone you benefit from less worry and that is potentially a big Mind Set issue.
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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? [Re: zenarrow] 1
#26439900 - 01/18/20 09:20 AM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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Thank you! Sadly my living situation is such that I cannot grow my own, but I plan in testing anything I get!. Someday I definitely want to grow my own.
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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? [Re: Darwin23]
#26439905 - 01/18/20 09:21 AM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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Darwin23 said: My first was 5-MeO-DALT. It was magical.
I wouldn't jump straight to DMT. I mean, you can, but if you're going on a journey you don't kill the boss right away. Of course, that boss could be what helps you discover the journey.
Thank you!
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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? [Re: redgreenvines]
#26439914 - 01/18/20 09:26 AM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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dk-1 said: Start with whatever you feel like. Just make sure you've done enough research to do it safely, that your set and setting is good and that you start off with a low dose (shrooms - 2g, lsd - 100mcg, dmt - idk... maybe 30mg?)
I agree with this. All psychedelics are powerful and variable. Start where you think you’ll feel most comfortable. Make sure to test your substances or, if possible, in the case of mushrooms, be your own supplier 
With dosage, I can only make recommendations with mushrooms. If that is the route you choose, take a dose you feel you’ll be most comfortable with. I personally started with 3.5g and it was the best experience of my life. But you must take potency and set/setting into account. Good luck on your journey 
That is awesome! Thank you
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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26439918 - 01/18/20 09:30 AM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: DMT is an intense psychedelic and can be overwhelming. However, low doses of DMT is very manageable and you get a good taste of the psychedelic experience in general without freaking out from the experience.
If you decide on trying DMT, invest in a dab bong! I own one specifically for DMT and it works very well. Very user-friendly once you get the technique figured out.
And since this is the Shroomery, I highly recommend growing your own shrooms. Shrooms are the best overall psychedelic in my opinion, especially for first timers. One of the "friendliest" strains of cubenis that Ive found is African Transkei. Mazatepeca is another one as well. Lots of options out there but those are two of my personal favorites.
I was looking at a vaporizer that was recommended elsewhere on this forum. I believe the extreme q and volcano vaporizers were most recommended as well as the glass vaporgenie. Any suggestions?
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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? [Re: DarkBird]
#26439924 - 01/18/20 09:34 AM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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Mushrooms are the best to start with, I believe.
Think about it this way. If you take one tab of LSD, there is a chance that you won't get the full effect or you'll get too much of an effect. If you do end up getting the proper 'one hit experience', then you're locked into a sometimes intense 8-12 hour trip. An 8 hour trip, much less a 12 hour trip, for your first time gives you plenty of time to get a bad phone call, hear/read some shitty news, have to go out in public to go get something or because you're just so bored inside, etc. Not optimal when you're feeling pretty funny. A tab can be gentle enough that none of this will deter you from having a great time, but I talk to many people who just think that it lasts too damn long. It can be nerve-racking when you can't fall asleep after your first acid trip.
If you take two grams of mushrooms, I would say you're guaranteed an experience that can be repeated with consistency. Obviously psychedelics are anything but consistent, as I'm sure you know with cannabis, but a two gram trip is just not going to mess you up as much as a true tab of LSD and is going to come on very gently if you eat the mushrooms. Then you're locked into a sometimes intense four hour trip. This gives you plenty of time to explore the headspace in the comfort of your own home, listen to music, contemplate the peak after, then go to bed at a reasonable time (if you so desire ).
I started with roughly a gram of mushrooms, and received the psychedelic high and the very bizarre mushroom thoughts and feelings with only minor visuals. This was perfect for me, as it piqued my interest enough to go to a higher dose but also showed me just what people meant when they told me how weird tripping was. I only say two grams because sometimes people report nothing happening on amounts like a gram, and I do believe I'm pretty sensitive to psychedelics.
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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? [Re: jdawg333]
#26440374 - 01/18/20 02:54 PM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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I once heard a saying like this:
"Acid is like driving drunk down the autobahn. Shrooms are like being strapped into the passenger's seat. DMT is like being chained up and thrown in the trunk."
Personally I would start with a low dose of lady lucy, as its effects are more euphoric and less teach-y, they don't force you to focus on uncomfortable things you don't want to focus on (at least at lower doses)
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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? [Re: DarkBird]
#26440773 - 01/18/20 08:32 PM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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Im not sure on the electronic vaporizers, but Ive heard the Volcano is one of the best.
I like the dab bong probably cauze im a bit old skool
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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? [Re: DarkBird]
#26440878 - 01/18/20 09:54 PM (4 years, 10 days ago) |
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u learn more NOT taking them. they serve as philosophical inspiration. nothing much more. hold off on the Terrence McKenna train right now lol. its mostly all BS! u will learn maybe...……..
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Re: I am new to psychedelics and don't know what to start with? [Re: MikeTesserect]
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u learn more NOT taking them. they serve as philosophical inspiration. nothing much more
This will probably catch some flack but I think this is the healthiest outlook to have. It can be an interesting hobby to figure out how they work, they can make you very vulnerable and full of wonder like a kid again, but I think many people, artists included, just don't have much to gain from them. They wear off, and I think a few high dose experiences, spaced out, are enough to teach you their lesson. Not even super confident I can explain what that lesson is, but I think it has something to do with accepting what happens to you and seeing it as a small part of a big whole. Different perspectives, the like. I think that's how they teach you to be a better human, and the kind of dose that makes you grateful for life and death is just too big (imo) for an average person to do that often.
Then again, I haven't really worked with them like some people here have. Some take massive doses multiple times a week, or are able to counteract tolerance through a large supply. Personally, that just seems a little reckless and would make it pretty difficult for me to make money and keep a variety of relationships and interests.
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