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Ayahuasca Analogues
    #26438793 - 01/17/20 03:43 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

hi, does anyone feel that a crucial element of the Ayahuasca experience is missing if Syrian rue is used in place of Caapi?
I simply don't have nine hours I can spend by the stove, so brewing Ayahuasca is out of the question.
But I can definitely eat 3 to 5 grams of Syrian rue seeds 15 minutes before drinking a mimosa tea.
It just seems much more convenient and efficient and simply put, easy, to prepare and consume Syrian rue seeds as opposed to Ayahuasca vine.
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Re: Ayahuasca Analogues [Re: Happinessfeeling]
    #26438821 - 01/17/20 03:55 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

Sure you can substitute rue, not quite same but near enough is close enough. Mimosa doesn't appear in Aya either actually, psychotria is used traditionally.

If I could suggest something, try the rue by itself a few times to get the hang of it before adding any DMT containing plant in the mix. Will help you journey better.

And make tea from the rue... don't eat the seeds. Yucko.


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Re: Ayahuasca Analogues [Re: Northerner]
    #26438837 - 01/17/20 04:05 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

hey northy, long time no see! how have you been?
sorry I was snappy in the 5-meo thread...I can see how it may be annoying that I keep asking about 5-meo and not doing anything...
Anyway, how are you?
Eating Syrian rue seeds is disgusting? Really?
do they taste bad?
it seems so simple to just eat a few grams of seeds, wait 15 minutes, and then drink a mimosa tea.
And I read that the mimosa tea, when boiled with lemon or lime juice, only takes 15 minutes of boiling and is ready.
This seems so much easier than making traditional ayahuasca.
I am for Anahuasca all the way.


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Re: Ayahuasca Analogues [Re: Happinessfeeling]
    #26438857 - 01/17/20 04:22 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

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I simply don't have nine hours I can spend by the stove, so brewing Ayahuasca is out of the question




I have no experience making or consuming ayahuasca, but how hard does the boil need to be? You could always use a large oven-proof pot in an oven overnight couldn't you, much like making a stew?


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Re: Ayahuasca Analogues [Re: Boarders]
    #26438864 - 01/17/20 04:26 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

There's plenty of sources of premade caapi resin...  Or just pure harmine


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Re: Ayahuasca Analogues [Re: Boarders]
    #26438875 - 01/17/20 04:34 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

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There's plenty of sources of premade caapi resin...  Or just pure harmine




I don't know how to accurately dose the Cappi resin which is why I will not be buying it.

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I simply don't have nine hours I can spend by the stove, so brewing Ayahuasca is out of the question




I have no experience making or consuming ayahuasca, but how hard does the boil need to be? You could always use a large oven-proof pot in an oven overnight couldn't you, much like making a stew?




Hi, it needs to be a rolling boil; a continuous boil. I'm not sure if a crock pot would work, it might, but I also don't have one of those.


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Re: Ayahuasca Analogues [Re: Happinessfeeling]
    #26438952 - 01/17/20 05:23 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

Yeah, been a while mate. All is well in paradise. Good to see you too. No stress about anything, I'm pretty resilient.

You can't just swallow the seeds whole or they'll go straight through you as is and they'll barely do anything. You have to chew them up hey. That's the yuck bit. Rue tea isn't exactly pleasant, though it can be an acquired taste. It's not like cactus goo.  :puke:

Acquiring caapi vine and psychotria from unknown sources and trying to make a reliable Aya brew is a big ask. You kinda need to grow your own plants and work with them to achieve that. Just buying the ingredients online and making it is improbable.

Seriously though. Try the rue tea first. It's very pleasant, relaxing and lightly psychedelic. Just don't go too heavy at first. Test the waters before diving in.


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Re: Ayahuasca Analogues [Re: Northerner]
    #26439185 - 01/17/20 07:47 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

I would experiment and see, but unless you do it a lot, it could be hard to notice or qualify. MHRB is said to be more jungle oriented by people, I guess. I couldn’t notice any difference besides dose dependage and until it gets really pertinent, will I go out of my way to confirm acacia differences, as if people know already or published results, or even have the credentials or prerequisites I care about.

Acacia is said to have been the tree out of which they made the Ark of the Covenant.

Source?

Hancock’s Sign and the Seal. It’s not Noah’s Ark, which is something else.

The covenant is the promise God made with Abram, then he changed his name into Abraham. It’s the same God as the other people in the Bible, but He might tell them other stuff or tell them to do contradicting stuff to achieve some goal.

I suspect people also don’t like Mimosa hostilis because its purple color. I suspect that in the long run it doesn’t matter and it’s just personal preference.

Psychedelic use, especially DMT from Mimosa tenuiflora root bark, revealed the truth to me, and it wasn’t just about the visuals.

We know the parts of the brain it activates in the visual cortex for them, et cetera, and all the detail.

It does what you want mushrooms and LSD to do when the dose isn’t high enough.


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Re: Ayahuasca Analogues [Re: Blabble40]
    #26439205 - 01/17/20 08:00 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

The certain combination of plants is what allows connection to the Ayahuasca spirit. The brew was originally created from advice from other plant spirits, what plants to combine.

Anything outside of the vine(caapi) and viridis leaf will alter the experience, you can just call it oral DMT at that point, I don't have much experience with either so can't say if you can still connect with the Ayahuasca spirit which is a certain blend of plants which allows commune


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Re: Ayahuasca Analogues [Re: Eclipse3130] * 1
    #26439222 - 01/17/20 08:18 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

Sounds a bit like hocus pocus mate.

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Re: Ayahuasca Analogues [Re: Northerner]
    #26439237 - 01/17/20 08:33 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

The natives were probably looking for plants that would make them vomit, an emetic. So they combined different plants and found the purgatative side effects of caapi and viridis in particular.

People act like there’s a bunch of hocus locus about psychedelics, like they’re just common street drugs. Reading about something isn’t the same as experiencing it. Psychedelics were supposed to be legal soon, but aren’t for everyone.


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Re: Ayahuasca Analogues [Re: Happinessfeeling] * 2
    #26439446 - 01/18/20 12:17 AM (4 years, 11 days ago)

Look up The Tao of Rue Extraction over on DMTNexus.  Very simple, very worth it..:thumbup:


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Re: Ayahuasca Analogues [Re: Amanita86] * 1
    #26439452 - 01/18/20 12:33 AM (4 years, 11 days ago)

Much easier not to crush the seeds, keep them in something (tied off shirt sleeve is good) so you don't have to strain them out, pressure cook rather than boil, quick filter, then base.

Same premise as the Tao, just avoids the days of filtering misery and hours of cooking.


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Re: Ayahuasca Analogues [Re: Northerner]
    #26439463 - 01/18/20 12:53 AM (4 years, 11 days ago)

I don't see what the problem is in eating four grams of seeds, that's a very small amount.
There's no sense in performing these complicated extractions.


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Re: Ayahuasca Analogues [Re: Happinessfeeling] * 1
    #26439466 - 01/18/20 01:07 AM (4 years, 11 days ago)

The seeds are so hard, they hardly get digested by our stomache. That's the problem. Not all of the alkaloids get absorbed then and it might be too little to trip.

Many people still eat them raw, it might work.

Better grind them well to a fine powder, then ingest this powder in gel-capsuls. That's better than eating whole seeds.

Or just boil them for an hour or two, filter and then drink the liquid. Even better, less nausea.


Btw, 15min boil for mimosa is way too little. Oo Don't know where you got this information from.
Boil at least for an hour, better two boils of an hour each, then combine the liquids and drink.
Add some lemon juice while boiling. Lemon always helps extracting alkaloids faster.

And wait longer than 15min between rue and mimosa brew. If taken rue seeds as whole, then it takes more time till gut mao is inhibited.
If you eat the whole seeds (or seedpowder) better wait 30 to 40 min before you drink your mimosa tea.
I still wait 30min between dosing with extracted, pure harmala alkaloids. :smirk:

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Re: Ayahuasca Analogues [Re: Happinessfeeling]
    #26439482 - 01/18/20 01:32 AM (4 years, 11 days ago)

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I don't see what the problem is in eating four grams of seeds, that's a very small amount.
There's no sense in performing these complicated extractions.



It allows for precision dosage plus you’re filtering out various things that cause nausea.  The extraction isn’t complicated nor does it require chemicals that aren’t usually already in your kitchen.  There’s no ‘problem’ with eating 4 grams of seeds but there’s a better way, it just depends on what you decide is worth your time.  I would counter that it’s a significant, profound experience worthy of a little extra prep.  It’s really not that hard at all.

Pros & cons man, you do what works for you.  As long as that cat gets skinned, we all win.


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Re: Ayahuasca Analogues [Re: Amanita86]
    #26439811 - 01/18/20 08:04 AM (4 years, 11 days ago)

Thanks for the helpful replies.
So to make tea with Syrian rue seeds, do I have to pulverize the seeds first?
Or can I just throw whole seeds into water?
It would probably cook better and take less time if I crushed the seeds first, right?
And you said to wait 30 minutes after drinking the Syrian rue tea before drinking the mimosa tea?
I read on shamanicextracts.com that the mimosa only needs to be boiled for 15 minuted with lemon or lime juice.
Would 30 minutes be sufficient?
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    #26439863 - 01/18/20 08:49 AM (4 years, 11 days ago)

Once pulverized, the seeds are a pain to filter out. Whole seeds are way easier to filter. I always boil whole seeds, it works well. :thumbup:

Timing: Syrian rue tea gets way faster absorbed than whole seeds. Whole seeds have to be digested to get the alkaloids out, this takes some time.
A tea is a liquid saturated with already dissolved alkaloids. With a tea the alkaloids are readily avaibale for the stomache, and get completly absorbed within a few minutes.
I'd wait 15 to 20min between drinking rue tea and mimosa tea. 30min if you ingest whole seeds.

I'm not sure if 30min are enough for boiling mimosa. It depends on how small the bark is ground up. :shrug:
If it's pulverized, 30min should be enough. But pulver is always very hard to filter out. If it's big chunks of bark then two hours could still be too little.
People usually boil their bark for several hours. :strokebeard:

I don't get why you refuse to boil it for so long.
If you don't have 6 hours of time in one go, then just split the boiling process over several days. Like an hour each day, save the liquid and the bark, and continue boiling the next day..

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Re: Ayahuasca Analogues [Re: Northerner]
    #26439972 - 01/18/20 10:18 AM (4 years, 11 days ago)

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Sounds a bit like hocus pocus mate.

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I'm just regurgitating what I've read, of how Ayahuasca was originally designed was from visions, visions of what plants to combine that is how the story is told, most likely under the influence of another plant.


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Re: Ayahuasca Analogues [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #26440108 - 01/18/20 11:49 AM (4 years, 11 days ago)

Aya is a religious drug for some cultures. I don't think the profundity of the experience proves the religions as fact as much as it proves the efficacy of the brew to induce visions.  :wink:


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