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Re: Casing Layer Question for Monotub [Re: filthyknees]
#26437475 - 01/16/20 08:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well look at that fist full of dicks!
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Re: Casing Layer Question for Monotub [Re: Jarhead3521]
#26437503 - 01/16/20 08:58 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm no pe expert. Just wanted to post my experience so others can judge for themselves.
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Re: Casing Layer Question for Monotub [Re: filthyknees]
#26437508 - 01/16/20 09:03 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'd like to know about your experiences. I've always been told to never top layer with pe so I haven't, I was under the impression that pe was the exception to the casing rule.(that cubes do not require it).
Apologize for the partial highjack of the thread, OP.
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Re: Casing Layer Question for Monotub [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26437519 - 01/16/20 09:11 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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My experience is I have always cased at spawning with coir verm if I did case, strait leftover bucket Tek.
I've had blobs and I've had regular fruits at different times.
Underline that with the non-pe expert label but that is my experience.
I can't tell someone the best way to case pe.
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Re: Casing Layer Question for Monotub [Re: filthyknees]
#26437542 - 01/16/20 09:27 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Roger, thanks.
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Re: Casing Layer Question for Monotub [Re: filthyknees]
#26437543 - 01/16/20 09:27 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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If I was to start and end layering my tub with a mix of coir and verm alternating with spawn would that be considered casing?
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Re: Casing Layer Question for Monotub [Re: kelp]
#26437592 - 01/16/20 10:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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filthyknees said: Coir verm works great for casing cubes weavie. Try it and find out. You can easily skip paying for those materials and spending time and resources pasteurizing casing.
Here's a small example of very commonly practiced methods, case (~1qt) and fruit at spawning all coir verm. As you can see in parts the casing remians on top of the substrate in the middle tub.
I don't understand late casing, why not just 'set and forget' as the monotub Tek should be? Why make it harder? There is no need to pick an arbitrary percentage colonized to put a casing on, just case with a quart of CV at spawning, put the lid on, introduce fae and wait to harvest.

"Casing at spawning" is not a casing layer. Basically what you're doing is adding more substrate to the top of your sunstrate. If you get good results from doing so, by all means. Just don't call it a casing. I believe the phrase around here foe such a thing is a psuedo casing. A true casing is applied after 100% colonization, and shouldn't be fully colonized before pins. It is seperate from the sub. Peat holds a ton of water, which is the point of a casing, to reserve water for the sub, and keep it moist.
PE with a textbook casing layer. Notice it is not colonized.
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Re: Casing Layer Question for Monotub [Re: WeavieWonder]
#26437627 - 01/16/20 10:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I call it a casing, you say coir verm aren't for casings, we are both fuqd.
man, some high quality grows you got, I respect your opinion and I think anyone reading can get the ideas we're communicating.
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Re: Casing Layer Question for Monotub [Re: filthyknees]
#26437651 - 01/16/20 11:00 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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filthyknees said: I call it a casing, you say coir verm aren't for casings, we are both fuqd.
man, some high quality grows you got, I respect your opinion and I think anyone reading can get the ideas we're communicating.

If you were to use coir/verm only without adjusting PH, and apply that after 100% colonization, you could run into problems. But ya'll don't do that, so no worries. However by doing so you are not getting the full potential of a true casing. The success people experience from a psuedo casing is just having fruiting conditions dialed in. Thats it. I only case when Growing PE or if I have a project going on at another person's house, and they are not skilled at maintaining proper fruiting conditions.
Thanks for the kudos bro. Just trying to contribute to the spreading of accurate information round these parts.
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Re: Casing Layer Question for Monotub [Re: WeavieWonder]
#26437920 - 01/17/20 06:55 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Very common for coir verm casing at spawning or psuedo casing to remain uncolonized.
I am wondering since still on topic if we can agree on this definition of a casing?:
"A 'casing' is simply a non-nutritious top layer that is applied over a substrate in order to supply moisture and an environment that is conducive to primordia formation. "
In my view if we're talking about cubensis and putting a casing on on day one, or day 10, a casing is still a casing, it doesn't become a different thing. Not that I don't understand what you're saying.
And is it common knowledge that casing with coir verm will yield poor results? Proof? I see many TCs reccomending it as a great casing so want to clarify for those reading.
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Re: Casing Layer Question for Monotub [Re: filthyknees]
#26437933 - 01/17/20 07:14 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I’ve always had amazing results with coir/verm top layer at spawn.
But since it’s technically just an extension of the sub and not something non nutritious like you said, thought that’s why everyone called it top layer or pseudo case instead of just casing.
From what I’ve seen here most people mean peat mixes when they say casing.
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Re: Casing Layer Question for Monotub [Re: A.k.a]
#26437962 - 01/17/20 07:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Because the verm has minerals it's nutritious?
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Re: Casing Layer Question for Monotub [Re: filthyknees]
#26437975 - 01/17/20 07:41 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lol I have no idea. I think most people just consider a casing as something different from your main substrate.
All semantics though, everybody pretty much knows what we mean.
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