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AZZI
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Re: I just wanna say language fucking sucks [Re: footpath]
#26438554 - 01/17/20 12:57 PM (4 years, 12 days ago) |
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http://savitrithepoem.com/b2c15.html
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footpath said: It's bananas picking lawn clippings off the stethoscope. It's a cat walking down a hallway. It's chromatic and aural fluidity and frequency that you transmit into your psyche to observe and dissect your perspective on the world and reconnect the synapses in your neural network to achieve an altered view.
It's fixing a car.
It doesn't fucking matter. And it means everything.
But language isn't the issue. It's the individual's interpretation and how they convey that meaning to others.
Sometimes you just have to have someone mix, with their hands and their eyes, two different kind of clay as opposed to trying to describe to them the density, texture, and hue of the resulting mixture that they'll throw to a pottery wheel. Sometimes you can give them coordinates, measurements, and procedure.
I knew I liked this, and it's you.
To the O.P., check out
Savtri by Sri Aurobindo (long as f.k, I recommend reading best first.)
And, Stevenson, (Book of Garden Verses Perhaps)
William Blake.
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Re: I just wanna say language fucking sucks [Re: AZZI] 1
#26440503 - 01/18/20 04:37 PM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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Adding that we, and many external forces, have distorted language and the true meaning of words to a place beyond cohesive comprehension and communication. These are powerful tools and there needs to be a greater focus on understanding how to use them. Unless used effectively, no words can be a better approach.
Connection, truth, and the value of the human experience transcends language.
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Re: I just wanna say language fucking sucks [Re: Maylink]
#26440575 - 01/18/20 05:34 PM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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The question for me was always were the ineffable, earth shattering, revelations, truly what they appeared to be, or was their cosmic significance symptomatic of delusion. I’ve written things down and smuggled ideas and thoughts through customs occasionally, only for them to turn to ash when my sober mind could no longer decipher what the messages actually meant.
But I think there is a good chance that the messages were gibberish and my mind like a schizophrenics, was attaching cosmic significance to things that were essentially meaningless.
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Re: I just wanna say language fucking sucks [Re: Korean Jesus] 1
#26441075 - 01/19/20 02:06 AM (4 years, 10 days ago) |
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faoneus said: This! The fact that humans have gained the power to create information and stories from sound and symbols is fucking magic. We even call it 'spelling,' for crying out loud!
This is the closest to accuracy you've come in this thread so far, OP. You might not even realize how true what you just said IS!
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Korean Jesus said: The problem isn't language, it's that the amount of information one can communicate through just audio will obviously pale in comparison to the total information present. Until we develop technology that enables us to communicate via other means, there is no way to know that your color "red" isn't my "green" or that you're not the only person on earth who feels some emotion that nobody else could understand.
This is it right here. The "my colors aren't yours thing" is hilarious because everyone thinks that way for a bit, usually during college, then forgets that that's probably the closest to a conscious view of genuine self-epistemology they'll ever get LOL.
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Re: I just wanna say language fucking sucks [Re: Korean Jesus]
#26441878 - 01/19/20 03:44 PM (4 years, 10 days ago) |
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Korean Jesus said: The problem isn't language, it's that the amount of information one can communicate through just audio will obviously pale in comparison to the total information present. Until we develop technology that enables us to communicate via other means, there is no way to know that your color "red" isn't my "green" or that you're not the only person on earth who feels some emotion that nobody else could understand.
NeuraLink's wizard hat is coming.....likely after we are gone, haha
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Re: I just wanna say language fucking sucks [Re: SizlChest]
#26441895 - 01/19/20 04:00 PM (4 years, 10 days ago) |
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I suspect time (spacetime) is the real perpetrator. If you are a moron saying “Oh! I think time doesn’t exist,” you’re dumb and we can tell, because Einstein unified time and space in 1905. It’s been spacetime ever since.
Yeah, I did all that shit in college. My university’s library had almost everything. Some books are worth buying than renting, though.
When I graduated recently, after working my ass off, I thought I’d have some fun.
One of the last papers I wrote in college was on dark (exotic) matter and dark energy. It was a review, but I ate an edible two days before it was due, which ruined some of it. I turned down a $30 bag of mushrooms in college once because I had to study et cetera and couldn’t risk any brain damage.
That’s why I tried higher doses of LSD after I graduated. First, I wrote a rhyming verse on it, because that’s what it does to me, with the weed, although it’s mostly the acid you need. Then, the weed brings out most of the trip (or anxiety). I could have swore that a lot of stories form long ago were, like, rhyming poems such as King Arthur romances. So I thought there was a connection.
With mushrooms, sometimes when I smoke weed on it, it goes away. I don’t think people realize how short lasting mushrooms are.
If you think breakthrough DMT is impossible to describe, or paint/draw, try putting a 300-400 mcg LSD trip in words. It isn’t impossible and this isn’t a challenge, but people are falling into the same positions I had predicted before I even did anything. I read Naked Lunch and the Crazy Wide Forever prior, and wanted to know more of what they were about, which is much more than rambling words.
I’m also tired of this fad: I’ll say I saw a UFO bleep into existence via synchronicity for a few seconds on LSD, then someone will say they can imagine it sober. But you can’t, they’re different. That’s just their way of making you feel less special.
So people who don’t trip think they can compete with thought processes and mental energy because they might be special. I said this before: Me: DMT showed me the most beautiful thing you could ever see. Them: But don’t you think girls and naked women are pretty? Me: Yes, sure, but there’s a conspiracy, and since I’m brown, every girl is racist and only likes white dudes, because it’s the “opposite”, so now, what’s the fuckin point?
Then, they initiate that ideology. You don’t need mushrooms or DMT because you can just stare at naked chicks all day.
Girls don’t care about looks. Most girls have the mindset of a lesbian. Why? They say if you were the last man on Earth, they still wouldn’t give you permission. With that mindset, they prefer looking at other girls than a guy’s body. What or who are they copying, and is it ethical?
You’d think it would be equal: Guy: girls are pretty Girl: guys are smart and strong, and women are the pretty ones.
So looks don’t matter? Girls like when there’s a connection, so through that, looks, sense of humor, and how much money you have don’t matter. Only “coincidences” and “synchronicity” that can make “natural jokes and connections” work.
Why does language suck now, when before it wasn’t a big deal?
Mushrooms used to make you go crazy, but now everyone wants some. What about LSD, then?
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Re: I just wanna say language fucking sucks [Re: Blabble40]
#26441955 - 01/19/20 04:34 PM (4 years, 10 days ago) |
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Re: I just wanna say language fucking sucks [Re: SizlChest]
#26443057 - 01/20/20 12:01 PM (4 years, 9 days ago) |
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What was that all about?
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Re: I just wanna say language fucking sucks [Re: Loaded Shaman]
#26443060 - 01/20/20 12:04 PM (4 years, 9 days ago) |
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Loaded Shaman said:
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faoneus said: This! The fact that humans have gained the power to create information and stories from sound and symbols is fucking magic. We even call it 'spelling,' for crying out loud!
This is the closest to accuracy you've come in this thread so far, OP. You might not even realize how true what you just said IS!
If it werent for language, we would be less developed or sophisticated. No computers or airplanes would exist, at least not by us. Other animals have language as well.
The issue isn't language, it's imperfect language. Not just that, it's human nature. Infinite potential, is really the best way to summate it.
I.e. we can be mentats, angels, godz, or their opposite.
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Re: I just wanna say language fucking sucks [Re: AZZI]
#26444028 - 01/20/20 10:21 PM (4 years, 8 days ago) |
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A more pedestrian aspect to keep in mind is that human communication has not evolved in the widespread presence of psychedelics. Perhaps that is at least partly why language often fails to adequately describe the experience.
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