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Offlinefaoneus
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I just wanna say language fucking sucks
    #26437181 - 01/16/20 05:18 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Language can't describe shit. It can't describe consciousness and it can't describe experience.


Every time I have an experience (which I will do everything I can to avoid labeling or describing) any attempt at description, even me doing so unwittingly in my head, will dissolve it away. I'm sure you guys have experienced the same thing.


Edited by faoneus (01/16/20 05:19 PM)


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Re: I just wanna say language fucking sucks [Re: faoneus]
    #26437189 - 01/16/20 05:24 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

we all own our reality, I used to want to describe the experience to others but ultimately have found that the only thing I can offer is to help prepare for them to try it themselves.


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Re: I just wanna say language fucking sucks [Re: 330ci] * 2
    #26437235 - 01/16/20 05:51 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

The problem isn't language, it's that the amount of information one can communicate through just audio will obviously pale in comparison to the total information present. Until we develop technology that enables us to communicate via other means, there is no way to know that your color "red" isn't my "green" or that you're not the only person on earth who feels some emotion that nobody else could understand.


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Re: I just wanna say language fucking sucks [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26437248 - 01/16/20 06:01 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

I mean it's proven that we don't all see the same colors, I have a general understanding of colors but my cones are different than most peoples thus my perception of the world is entirely different, albeit normal to me. I think that the greatest thing psychedelics has offered is not the visuals themselves, but the perception that everything isn't quite as it seems and although I might have to ingest drugs to reach those states, the states attained on them are very much real. I don't think there's a need to explain the phenomena though, I think it will always be best for people to open their own mind because as you said, we can only express so much audibly and it's not just what you see, but what you feel as well. Kinda blending in with your thread on cross sensual experiences while under the influence of psychedelics


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Re: I just wanna say language fucking sucks [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26437272 - 01/16/20 06:14 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

there are studies showing that we're able to transmit messages to one another fairly accurately through telekenesis, I wonder if we could convey images of unexplainable things in the same fashion


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Re: I just wanna say language fucking sucks [Re: 330ci]
    #26437278 - 01/16/20 06:23 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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330ci said:
there are studies showing that we're able to transmit messages to one another fairly accurately through telekenesis, I wonder if we could convey images of unexplainable things in the same fashion



[citation needed]


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Re: I just wanna say language fucking sucks [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26437298 - 01/16/20 06:38 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

google is your friend, there was an early 1900s arctic or antarctic study where a scientist in I believe antarctica and some guy in new york sat down and transmitted messages to each other daily, with 80% success. there've been multiple studies that have mimicked the results since, I believe I've read some of the articles on this website. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/why-brain-brain-communication-no-longer-unthinkable-180954948/


https://www.iflscience.com/brain/direct-brain-brain-communication-used-humans/

A couple less conclusive links that popped up right away, i'm too tired to search a million keywords right now.

I don't know how they would do it but if we do have a way to transmit signals telepathically which it appears we do. We would just need to figure out how to amplify those senses.i'm not sure if it would have to be done chemically or physically with an electronic or magnetic device;but it could open up the possibility for complete thoughts, ideas or experiences to be transferred to another person.


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Re: I just wanna say language fucking sucks [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26437307 - 01/16/20 06:41 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Korean Jesus said:
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330ci said:
there are studies showing that we're able to transmit messages to one another fairly accurately through telekenesis, I wonder if we could convey images of unexplainable things in the same fashion



[citation needed]





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Re: I just wanna say language fucking sucks [Re: BabylonRuleDem]
    #26437311 - 01/16/20 06:44 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Korean Jesus said:
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330ci said:
there are studies showing that we're able to transmit messages to one another fairly accurately through telekenesis, I wonder if we could convey images of unexplainable things in the same fashion



[citation needed]







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Re: I just wanna say language fucking sucks [Re: 330ci] * 1
    #26437325 - 01/16/20 06:49 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

After thinking about it though I don't think language fucking sucks so much as people are fucking idiots though. The average vocabulary has been steadily shrinking for the past 50 years in the US which means people are to blame for the overall lack of communication and expression. We should start to utilize what we have before thinking we're capable of more intelligent forms of communication


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Re: I just wanna say language fucking sucks [Re: 330ci] * 1
    #26437463 - 01/16/20 08:24 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

It's bananas picking lawn clippings off the stethoscope.
It's a cat walking down a hallway.
It's chromatic and aural fluidity and frequency that you transmit into your psyche to observe and dissect your perspective on the world and reconnect the synapses in your neural network to achieve an altered view.

It's fixing a car.

It doesn't fucking matter. And it means everything.

But language isn't the issue. It's the individual's interpretation and how they convey that meaning to others.

Sometimes you just have to have someone mix, with their hands and their eyes, two different kind of clay as opposed to trying to describe to them the density, texture, and hue of the resulting mixture that they'll throw to a pottery wheel.
Sometimes you can give them coordinates, measurements, and procedure.


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Re: I just wanna say language fucking sucks [Re: faoneus]
    #26437492 - 01/16/20 08:47 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

That's not the fault of language. That's just you lacking the skill in language or writing or speaking or whatever that is required to express what you want to. You're blaming language for you not having the skill in language that you want.


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Re: I just wanna say language fucking sucks [Re: nooneman]
    #26437506 - 01/16/20 09:01 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

I'm willing to admit that I don't possess infinite language skills. I'm no Terrence McKenna of the psychedelic experience - but even Terrence McKenna admits he falls short are describing certain things. How many people have listened to Terrence McKenna, then taken psychedelics and said "Wow, this is precisely as he described it. He painted a perfect picture in my head and this is entirely as I anticipated it." You may say this lack of true understanding is the fault of the listener, but only a bad writer blames their audience for not understanding.  Regardless of skill, language lacks certain abilities - especially in bringing out a proper understanding of consciousness and experience. Even Shakespeare couldn't describe the color red to a blind person.

In my opinion, to assume any inherent limitations of language can be overcome with pure skill implies a certain level of hubris.

I'm not saying language is evil. Language is the greatest invention in all history. Being great, however, doesn't make it any less frustrating when it can't do what you want. Skill or not.


Edited by faoneus (01/16/20 09:37 PM)


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Re: I just wanna say language fucking sucks [Re: footpath]
    #26437512 - 01/16/20 09:06 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

agreed about the people fucking suck thing. however, recently ive gained a "new" prospective/lenses whatever. its unexplainable to me, and my inner circle.

how I presonally reconcile this new outlook/enlightenment mixed with me,  (ego, my experiences, people close etc) is thinking that this is some sort of predetermined cosmic outcome for those that are lucky enough to experience psychedelics is suppose to be
sherpa-ed by people like You and I.

I only add this because 2020 is the year of positivity for me! Arc


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Re: I just wanna say language fucking sucks [Re: architect]
    #26437526 - 01/16/20 09:17 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

Quote:

330ci said:
google is your friend, there was an early 1900s arctic or antarctic study where a scientist in I believe antarctica and some guy in new york sat down and transmitted messages to each other daily, with 80% success. there've been multiple studies that have mimicked the results since, I believe I've read some of the articles on this website. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/why-brain-brain-communication-no-longer-unthinkable-180954948/


https://www.iflscience.com/brain/direct-brain-brain-communication-used-humans/

A couple less conclusive links that popped up right away, i'm too tired to search a million keywords right now.

I don't know how they would do it but if we do have a way to transmit signals telepathically which it appears we do. We would just need to figure out how to amplify those senses.i'm not sure if it would have to be done chemically or physically with an electronic or magnetic device;but it could open up the possibility for complete thoughts, ideas or experiences to be transferred to another person.




Sure we can directly convey electrical/chemical impulses to other people, but does that constitute "communication"? I can't see it being any more effective than language because one person's interpretation might be completely different to someone else's, so it still relies on them having a shared concept of what the experience/object that they're trying to communicate is.

It would work with simple ideas like yes and no, hunger and thirst etc. Because they're so ingrained in our DNA that they're universal, but I think more abstract experiences will only be able to be conveyed through abstract means.


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Re: I just wanna say language fucking sucks [Re: dk-1]
    #26437539 - 01/16/20 09:25 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

I think language is one of the trippiest, most beautiful things about being human/being alive. Almost more mindboggling than chemistry and atoms and energy and all of those ideas.


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Re: I just wanna say language fucking sucks [Re: jdawg333]
    #26437561 - 01/16/20 09:45 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

This! The fact that humans have gained the power to create information and stories from sound and symbols is fucking magic. We even call it 'spelling,' for crying out loud!


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Re: I just wanna say language fucking sucks [Re: faoneus]
    #26437872 - 01/17/20 05:56 AM (4 years, 12 days ago)

Of course...
But I wouldn't say it sucks..

I think it's one of the coolest things ever next to conciousness. The fact we can so easily communicate is the craziest thing. The part that always gets me is how language was developed over the thousands and thousands of years.

Making words having specific meaning and whatnot. Like, everything we call something is because some said we call it that. "Universe", "Space", "table".

Just trippy as fuck when you think about it. Because thats not what they REALLY are? But we call it that to identify it. Just fucking weird lol.


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Re: I just wanna say language fucking sucks [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #26438298 - 01/17/20 10:34 AM (4 years, 12 days ago)

at the most exciting parts, I want to tell everyone, but I cannot remember exactly what I am excited about

- this is not a language problem it is a memory failure and an awareness gap.


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Re: I just wanna say language fucking sucks [Re: faoneus]
    #26438416 - 01/17/20 11:48 AM (4 years, 12 days ago)

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faoneus said:
Language is the greatest invention in all history. Being great, however, doesn't make it any less frustrating when it can't do what you want. Skill or not.




I think that depends to a large extent on how you define “language” and how you define “invent”. Or are we only discussing “language” in the scope of “human language”?

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