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Re: Casing Layer Question for Monotub [Re: mk_ultra]
#26436500 - 01/16/20 10:06 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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At no point should you have any of your grow in the dark. As for a casing, you can case it and let the mycelium partially colonize the casing layer, or, you can case it and put it directly into fruiting (often called late casing)
Ive had better success with late casing personally but that's just anecdotal
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Re: Casing Layer Question for Monotub [Re: grownright]
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Re: Casing Layer Question for Monotub [Re: mk_ultra]
#26436676 - 01/16/20 11:48 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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25-30%
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Re: Casing Layer Question for Monotub [Re: grownright]
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Re: Casing Layer Question for Monotub [Re: mk_ultra]
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Re: Casing Layer Question for Monotub [Re: mk_ultra]
#26436772 - 01/16/20 12:41 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes light is good at all stages, even grain jars.
You don’t need to let it colonize before fruiting anymore, it’ll get done faster this way.
Ime you can case anytime before knots show up, I wouldn’t do an inch of casing though that seems like a lot.
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Re: Casing Layer Question for Monotub [Re: A.k.a]
#26436892 - 01/16/20 02:10 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ive been having better luck putting the whole mono into fruiting at the time of spawning. 8 - 10 days later I add a casing and within a week I get my first flush.
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Late casing is my preferred method. Casing layers should be peat-based, and have a slightly basic PH. Jiffy Mix seedling starter blend works great and is readily available, and cheap.
Cvg is for subs, not casings.
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Re: Casing Layer Question for Monotub [Re: mk_ultra]
#26436947 - 01/16/20 02:51 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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mk_ultra said:
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Spirit-Crusher said: Ive been having better luck putting the whole mono into fruiting at the time of spawning. 8 - 10 days later I add a casing and within a week I get my first flush.
Man, somewhere; I must have read or interpreted something wrong. I always though you had to place the monotub back into a dark room right after adding your colonized spawn and substrait for 10 days. I guess I will try the way you guys suggested and right after putting my grain and sub...leave it where there is light (Not Direct) with some gaps for air.
Growing in complete darkness was a thing many years ago. When using the search engine, limit your results to the last five years or so.
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Re: Casing Layer Question for Monotub [Re: WeavieWonder]
#26436996 - 01/16/20 03:19 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I did read and did that myself when I started a few months back. Different site though. The same tek also insisted if you opened it to look before ten days it would get contaminated, and then said to sterilize the peat for casing which almost killed my first grow.
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Re: Casing Layer Question for Monotub [Re: mk_ultra]
#26437061 - 01/16/20 03:56 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I did too because that's what I read. A lot of it is just old out dated information. It works, but so does the other way. After you get going you'll start experimenting with different techniques. See what works for you.
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Coir verm works great for casing cubes weavie. Try it and find out. You can easily skip paying for those materials and spending time and resources pasteurizing casing.
Here's a small example of very commonly practiced methods, case (~1qt) and fruit at spawning all coir verm. As you can see in parts the casing remians on top of the substrate in the middle tub.
I don't understand late casing, why not just 'set and forget' as the monotub Tek should be? Why make it harder? There is no need to pick an arbitrary percentage colonized to put a casing on, just case with a quart of CV at spawning, put the lid on, introduce fae and wait to harvest.
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Re: Casing Layer Question for Monotub [Re: filthyknees]
#26437294 - 01/16/20 06:36 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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filthyknees said: Coir verm works great for casing cubes weavie. Try it and find out. You can easily skip paying for those materials and spending time and resources pasteurizing casing.
Here's a small example of very commonly practiced methods, case (~1qt) and fruit at spawning all coir verm. As you can see in parts the casing remians on top of the substrate in the middle tub.
I don't understand late casing, why not just 'set and forget' as the monotub Tek should be? Why make it harder? There is no need to pick an arbitrary percentage colonized to put a casing on, just case with a quart of CV at spawning, put the lid on, introduce fae and wait to harvest.

So you case at the same time you spawn to bulk? I'll need to try that next time.
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Yeah the coir layer at spawn was a huge help for me. Keeps things from drying out.
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Re: Casing Layer Question for Monotub [Re: A.k.a]
#26437318 - 01/16/20 06:46 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I simply read the monotub Tek, mentions coir verm case at spawning 13 years ago.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5276282
Very, very common practice. I'm sure peat is great for casing, I'll never find out cause this works juuuust fine and don't need extra steps, time and resources.
The hole positions changed but concepts are rock solid as proven as proven gets.
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Re: Casing Layer Question for Monotub [Re: filthyknees]
#26437369 - 01/16/20 07:11 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Except for PE. They need the peat unless you want blobs.
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Re: Casing Layer Question for Monotub [Re: A.k.a]
#26437443 - 01/16/20 08:07 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Strange cause I never had to use peat and have grown some pe
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Re: Casing Layer Question for Monotub [Re: filthyknees]
#26437471 - 01/16/20 08:28 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Do you still just top layer coir for your PE tubs?
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