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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: bloodsheen]
#26438422 - 01/17/20 11:50 AM (4 years, 12 days ago) |
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Dope song btw
it did not go unnoticed
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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: Roflspammer]
#26438436 - 01/17/20 11:56 AM (4 years, 12 days ago) |
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Prude shaming is fine according to society, at least until straight men get a progressive movement going. #DicksToo
The problem is, if you talk about it, you get called a prude/pussy, so no man is gonna admit it's a problem for fear of immediately revealing themselves as a prude.
It’s like what Michelle Wolf said in her last special about little dicks. She says “people with small dicks should kill themselves”, and no one can call her out without being immediately branded “small-dick”.
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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: Asante]
#26438437 - 01/17/20 11:57 AM (4 years, 12 days ago) |
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The young tend to benefit from casual dating and multiple partners, which is valuable in the sense that teaches you what you want, and what's not good in a partner when you have limited time to do so. Deeply open intimate relationships are very complex, and starting off something serious which has potential for legacy is difficult if you're starting from this initial square. I don't think polyamory is inherently bad, but I definitely believe that the average person is predisposed towards monogamy and is being sold a lie by the mainstream acceptable social norms that have arisen out of the birth control pill which will set them up for disaster down the road. It's like trying to build a banquet on a mahogany table that only has three out of four legs.
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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26438633 - 01/17/20 01:50 PM (4 years, 12 days ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: Im only againist sluts (men or women) who cheat on their partners in secret. Cheating sluts should be shamed in my opinion.
But if a single man or single woman just likes to bang random people on a regular basis, bang away! No judgement there.
I not only don't judge them, I ask them if they would like a drink.
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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: Roflspammer]
#26438692 - 01/17/20 02:32 PM (4 years, 12 days ago) |
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I definitely believe that the average person is predisposed towards monogamy
I don't believe this, in fact I believe the opposite, and it's the media/society that pushes the narrative that family/having kids is the ultimate way to be and monogamy is the ultimate/only way to be. We're mammals and naturally want to have sex with as many partners as possible. Some people can do it some can't. Who gives a flying fuck who or how many people fuck however many people (adults) as long as it's agreed on by both or all people that are fucking?
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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: tyrannicalrex] 1
#26438879 - 01/17/20 04:35 PM (4 years, 12 days ago) |
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Whether the media or society pushes a narrative or not doesn't make the statement untrue. The average person is indeed predisposed towards monogamy. Many mammals and even birds are also predisposed to monogamy, but not all. Can't really find fault in what he's saying there myself, it appears to be genuinely true. Even if someone has many partners in a lifetime, they are typically in monogamous relationships and only rarely are the dynamics in place to open that up to more people.
Many primates are naturally monogamous, strictly so. Others are not at all, and others are a mixed group like humans. Many animals are more strictly monogamous than humans. It's not all media/society pressuring a narrative that makes it so, it has been the primary (but not only) relationship dynamic for probably at least as long as there has been agriculture and possibly longer in some, but not all, human groups.
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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: PatrickKn]
#26438978 - 01/17/20 05:37 PM (4 years, 12 days ago) |
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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: PatrickKn]
#26473431 - 02/07/20 08:23 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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PatrickKn said: Whether the media or society pushes a narrative or not doesn't make the statement untrue. The average person is indeed predisposed towards monogamy. Many mammals and even birds are also predisposed to monogamy, but not all. Can't really find fault in what he's saying there myself, it appears to be genuinely true. Even if someone has many partners in a lifetime, they are typically in monogamous relationships and only rarely are the dynamics in place to open that up to more people.
Many primates are naturally monogamous, strictly so. Others are not at all, and others are a mixed group like humans. Many animals are more strictly monogamous than humans. It's not all media/society pressuring a narrative that makes it so, it has been the primary (but not only) relationship dynamic for probably at least as long as there has been agriculture and possibly longer in some, but not all, human groups.
Humans and many mammals are good at serial monogamy, a different but specific partner each "mating season" (humans unlike many mammals do not have "heat" cycles so much as perpetual sexual activity) which is really just a half-step away from polyamory because it is still rotating through partners; just a different approach to doing so
really just ressurecting this thread because of trans fish tho 

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This native Caribbean fish can change sex faster than your daily mood swings. But despite that, it remains faithful to one mate.
Hermaphroditism is a trait found in species that posses both male and female reproductive organs. Although monogamy and hermaphroditism are common in fishes, both traits in one organism make the chalk bass quite uncommon.
A new research published in the journal Behavioral Ecology suggests that chalk bass (Serranus tortugarum) may only be three inches small, but it can change sex up to 20 times a day.
"I found it fascinating that fish with a rather unconventional reproductive strategy would end up being the ones who have these long-lasting relationships," Andrew Kratter, an ornithologist with the Florida Museum of Natural History told United Press International.
"They live in large social groups with plenty of opportunities to change partners, so you wouldn't necessarily expect this level of partner fidelity," he added.
An article by Leonard Ho, published in the journal Reef Scapes, notes that there are two types of hermaphroditism--the synchronous or simultaneous hermaphrodite, wherein an organism possesses both active male and active female reproductive organs at the same time, and sequential hermaphrodites, wherein an organism possesses both male and female reproductive organs, but only one is active at a given time.
The chalk bass is a simultaneous hermaphrodite. Mary Hart, the lead author of the study, told National Geographic that they have not figured out why the chalk bass changes sex so many times, but hypothesizes that the act may result in a reproductive advantage for the chalk bass.
Since these fish do not self fertilize, the sex switching offers each fish a return on their investment on eggs and cooperative partnership by allowing them to fertilize about as many eggs as they both produce.
The technique is called "egg parceling," which the study defined as "trading sex roles with the same mating partners in repeated spawning bouts".
In addition, the study revealed that chalk bass pays attention to the amount of eggs being exchanged. For example, if one partner lacks eggs, the other will simply match whatever it produces.
Hart and Kratter, who are actually a couple, spent six months studying the chalk bass behavior at the Smithsonian Tropical Research Institute in Panama. They were surprised how devoted chalk bass are to their partners.
"We did not witness any 'break-ups' in our long-term pairs; during each monthly census, all identified pairs were found spawning and courting with their "primary" mating partner until one or both of them disappeared," the study said.
With only at most five percent of animals known to live monogamously, this is a rare find. The study may prove that sexual cooperation exists among fish.
The International Union for Conservation of Nature lists the status of the chalk bass as "least concern. This fish has a depth range of two to 400 meters, but is usually recorded in less than 90 m. They are often found in aggregation on rubble, silty or sandy bottoms around the immediate periphery of reefs.
https://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/25030/20160711/fish-change-sex-20-times-day-strangely-remains-monogamous.htm
legitimately did not notice the bit about such a small proportion of animals being monogamous until pasting the quote here tho
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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: Tantrika] 1
#26473580 - 02/07/20 09:45 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Monogamy is overrated. But I have not been with anyone else since I've been married. I don't have the energy I did in my 20's and 30's, lol!
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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: Tantrika] 3
#26473672 - 02/07/20 10:30 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Humans and many mammals are good at serial monogamy, a different but specific partner each "mating season"

Although the image of a pair of swans is often used at marriage ceremonies to depict lifelong pair bonding, research has shown swans sometimes cheat and change mates.
The seven-year itch is a real thing. My ex and I broke up at year 8. It's crazy we define the end of a relationship as a failure. This "life-long" idealism has caused so much misery.
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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26496138 - 02/20/20 09:31 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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tyrannicalrex said: I definitely believe that the average person is predisposed towards monogamy
I don't believe this, in fact I believe the opposite, and it's the media/society that pushes the narrative that family/having kids is the ultimate way to be and monogamy is the ultimate/only way to be. We're mammals and naturally want to have sex with as many partners as possible. Some people can do it some can't. Who gives a flying fuck who or how many people fuck however many people (adults) as long as it's agreed on by both or all people that are fucking? 
IMHO we have evolved to demand monogamy in our partners since that helps ensure your genetic linage but want to be free ourselves (since that also helps ensure the success of genetic lineage). Men can 'sow' their oats and women can get genetic diversity.
It's selfish and hypocritical but evolution doesn't have to be nice.
And all the emotional shit that comes along with stuff is itself evolved. All the reasons people give are made up to support their underlying feelings about stuff.
Slut shaming is another example. People evolved to want their genes to get passed on, someone else being promiscuous jeopardizes that.
How many people genuinely wouldn't want to on occasion casually fuck other people if they could be sure of no downside. If their partner was %100 ok with that but wouldn't do it themselves. And genuinely ok with it, not just saying it or wanting to use it as an excuse to fuck others themselves. Also taking things like STDs/pregnancies out of the picture.
Of course that's not how people work, mostly we don't go around fucking random people because it would hurt our partner and jeopardize our relationships.
I do wonder how society could change in the future when we get %100 effective birth control and cures too all the STDs. Where you could stick a dick in random willing strangers without any negative repercussions. Sex ed in schools would be very different, when I had it they showed us a lot of scare pictures of STDs and talked about the dangers of pregnancy if that was taken out of the picture (and assuming it wasn't a religious 'just say no') then I guess it just leaves the appropriate/inappropriate behavior and emotional baggage stuff. Hell, maybe everyone would start hosting their own orgies in stead of parties. But society would also need changes to attitudes like 'slut shaming' although we are starting to see some of that happening with social justice stuff.
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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: EbilPhish]
#26496560 - 02/21/20 07:48 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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And all the emotional shit that comes along with stuff is itself evolved. All the reasons people give are made up to support their underlying feelings about stuff.
Slut shaming is another example. People evolved to want their genes to get passed on, someone else being promiscuous jeopardizes that.
Not really, only the strong used to survive. Now with the medical technology we have more people are living that might not have years ago, not too long ago actually. The gene pool needs some chlorine, lol! Trisomy 21 test was invented for a reason, but there is guilt about "killing babies" etc...
I think random sex with whomever one wants is taboo due to people who didn't want to do that, so they created a book and made it a guilty thing. It's in our DNA as a mammal to procreate or to get with the same sex, we're born with these things, IMHE anyway.
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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26496575 - 02/21/20 08:00 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah people try to say homosexual attraction serves no evolutionary purpose but I think it helped with group cohesion. Still the case with bonobos.
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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: psi] 1
#26496629 - 02/21/20 08:39 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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There are over 100 species that do it, it's part of the circle of life etc...it's always been here, and will always be here.
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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: tyrannicalrex] 1
#26497709 - 02/21/20 08:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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We have so many weird hang ups and taboos in the modern world for a supposedly secular society in the west. Hmm I wonder why..
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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: Cosmic_Flame]
#26497713 - 02/21/20 08:52 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Shame is what makes it feel good jeez
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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: cannabinated]
#26497739 - 02/21/20 09:17 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I mean it does seem like the people who get the most creative about sex will often have had some kind of repressive upbringing.
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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: Asante]
#26497794 - 02/21/20 10:10 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Did anyone mention Mut shaming? It's like Slut shaming, but for males.
I know someone a few posts in hinted at it.
THe word in general "shame" is a major negative connotation.
And during the act of pleasurable sex, there is no negative thing.
So the entire thing must mean like people who are forced into sex, and don't love the sex. This the shame they feel, like a person who is raped.
A woman or man who has sex openly and freely should and most do not feel shame.
Slut Shaming is spreading light on the dark underworld of sex traffic and people being raped .
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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: Fiery]
#26497985 - 02/22/20 05:34 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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So basically it also means that mut shaming is aswell spreading light on the dark underworld of sex traffic and people being raped.
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