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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: Newbie]
    #26436945 - 01/16/20 02:49 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Question is, who do you find more attractive. Not who you go for.

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I don't really like either.  I like a woman who can carry a conversation and shows genuine interest in me.




What if 2 women meet this requirement equally well, but one acts slutty while the other acts innocent. Who would you be more attracted to?


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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: feldman114]
    #26436963 - 01/16/20 03:03 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

I'm pretty ashamed that I'm not a slut.  I feel like being a slut might make me a better person.  :shrug:


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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: chibiabos]
    #26436966 - 01/16/20 03:05 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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I'm pretty ashamed that I'm not a slut.  I feel like being a slut might make me a better person.  :shrug:



Only according to people who want to fuck you


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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: feldman114]
    #26436968 - 01/16/20 03:08 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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I'm pretty ashamed that I'm not a slut.  I feel like being a slut might make me a better person.  :shrug:



Only according to people who want to fuck you



It doesn't hurt to be warm, outgoing and have a giant cock.  You just need to make sure that it's well lubricated.


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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: feldman114]
    #26436969 - 01/16/20 03:08 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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feldman114 said:
Question is, who do you find more attractive. Not who you go for.

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Newbie said:
I don't really like either.  I like a woman who can carry a conversation and shows genuine interest in me.




What if 2 women meet this requirement equally well, but one acts slutty while the other acts innocent. Who would you be more attracted to?





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I would probably approach the shy one and try to strike up a conversation.  They're both at a party so they're there to have fun and mingle. 

I guess it depends on if I'm looking for a one night stand or a relationship, to be honest.  Right now I'm kind open for a relationship so I'm picking the shy one.




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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: Newbie]
    #26436980 - 01/16/20 03:12 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Also (honest question), why should I give a shit about whether a woman is a slut or not?  Most of the time that I'm talking to women we're just hanging out and trying to unwind.


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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: feldman114]
    #26436992 - 01/16/20 03:17 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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feldman114 said:
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I'm pretty ashamed that I'm not a slut.  I feel like being a slut might make me a better person.  :shrug:



Only according to people who want to fuck you



I disagree. I think more highly of all women who are sluts, not just the ones I want to fuck.

Again, I think we should actively celebrate all sluts and sluttiness as much as possible because sluts are awesome. There is literally zero downside, and it's silly and stupid to slut shame people in general, and it's highly counter productive and bad for our society, and just plain silly. Why would sluts conceivably be a bad thing? It's just plain illogical. Sluts are clearly an awesome thing in our society that should be celebrated, not shamed.

It's bad for everyone involved if you slut shame, and good for everyone involved if you slut celebrate.


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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: bloodsheen]
    #26437097 - 01/16/20 04:16 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Yeah that mindset really only came about due to agriculture and land ownership. Men wanted virgin wives who were monogamous just so they could impregnate them until they had a son the men could leave their assets to when they kicked the bucket. It is an ideal built upon greed and nothing else.



That is the most feminist thing I have ever heard. Men want loyal women because of greed. Wow must really suck navigating the world with that much misandry





Tantrika touched on this point pretty well. Early tribal people likely were not monogamous and  everybody raised everybody's offspring.

If monogamy is your preference that's fine but it is a preference no more or less valid than polyamory or other forms of non-monigamy, provided communication is present and abuse is not taking place. (Just like in a monogamous relationship! Wow!).

Additionally, I navigate the world just fine and dandy. Better than you must be with all these unloyal slutty women around.


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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: qman]
    #26437111 - 01/16/20 04:24 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)











Yeah that mindset really only came about due to agriculture and land ownership. Men wanted virgin wives who were monogamous just so they could impregnate them until they had a son the men could leave their assets to when they kicked the bucket. It is an ideal built upon greed and nothing else.




No, that biological instinct goes back millions of years. Males didn't want to take care of another males offspring, they wanted to pass on their own genes.

If you fucking a women who is already one month pregnant from another male, you could end up supporting that offspring falsely believing it's your own, that's just one of the reasons why male jealousy and control over females still exist in males today.




Before agriculture and land ownership it is likely that females had sex with multiple men to ensure the strongest genetic match to create healthy offspring, considering everyone raised everyone's Offspring anyways. Think about it. Women only ovulate once a month and once pregnancy occurs that's it for at least 9 months. Men could impregnate a different woman every day, so it makes sense that women would want that egg to count, and that offspring to be strong. It takes a village. At least it used to.


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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: Patlal]
    #26437123 - 01/16/20 04:39 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Slut shaming is horrible.  It makes women think that they shouldn't have sex with me more than they normally wouldn't.




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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: Patchouli_Savage]
    #26437145 - 01/16/20 04:53 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Yeah that mindset really only came about due to agriculture and land ownership. Men wanted virgin wives who were monogamous just so they could impregnate them until they had a son the men could leave their assets to when they kicked the bucket. It is an ideal built upon greed and nothing else.



That is the most feminist thing I have ever heard. Men want loyal women because of greed. Wow must really suck navigating the world with that much misandry





Tantrika touched on this point pretty well. Early tribal people likely were not monogamous and  everybody raised everybody's offspring.

If monogamy is your preference that's fine but it is a preference no more or less valid than polyamory or other forms of non-monigamy, provided communication is present and abuse is not taking place. (Just like in a monogamous relationship! Wow!).

Additionally, I navigate the world just fine and dandy. Better than you must be with all these unloyal slutty women around.



Actually it is hard to navigate the world with the disloyalty of human kind. If you really think early humanity were essentially a giant polyamorous orgy, well idk what to tell you on that. I guess we are just gonna have to agree to disagree. The unbelievable frequency of domestic violence make a that a pretty unlikely scenario


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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: bloodsheen]
    #26437180 - 01/16/20 05:17 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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bloodsheen said:
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bloodsheen said:
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Yeah that mindset really only came about due to agriculture and land ownership. Men wanted virgin wives who were monogamous just so they could impregnate them until they had a son the men could leave their assets to when they kicked the bucket. It is an ideal built upon greed and nothing else.



That is the most feminist thing I have ever heard. Men want loyal women because of greed. Wow must really suck navigating the world with that much misandry





Tantrika touched on this point pretty well. Early tribal people likely were not monogamous and  everybody raised everybody's offspring.

If monogamy is your preference that's fine but it is a preference no more or less valid than polyamory or other forms of non-monogamy, provided communication is present and abuse is not taking place. (Just like in a monogamous relationship! Wow!).

Additionally, I navigate the world just fine and dandy. Better than you must be with all these unloyal slutty women around.



Actually it is hard to navigate the world with the disloyalty of human kind. If you really think early humanity were essentially a giant polyamorous orgy, well idk what to tell you on that. I guess we are just gonna have to agree to disagree. The unbelievable frequency of domestic violence make a that a pretty unlikely scenario




I can agree to disagree, although I am not sure what domestic violence has to do with your point. While I will certainly agree with you that there is a lot of it, it is often taught, trickling down through generations.

Abuse isn't so much nature as it is nurture. A man wanting complete and total control over his spouse is not bioligy, it is bigotry.

A lot of women will refer to their abusive spouses as "jealous." Jealousy stems from insecurity, which again is not biology, it is social conditioning.


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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: bloodsheen]
    #26437183 - 01/16/20 05:18 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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...If you really think early humanity were essentially a giant polyamorous orgy, well idk what to tell you on that. ...




For clarification with regards to my earlier statement of "partied and fucked around the fire"
it was a tonque-in-cheek way to address the celebratory rituals of hunter gatherer societies
which are what presumably became the fertility rituals later associated with yearly crop growth

but before it became important to plant and harvest at a certain time; and to be constrained to household life and working the field
humans had more loose partnering relationships with one another, as hunts in certain scenarios resulted in all adult men of the tribe being gone for ideterminate spans of time
and when childhood and adulthood were very much communal affairs

prolly also important to note that this is not me saying women ran things
just that family lineages were likely traced through mothers because it was easy to be certain of who your mother was
and your father may have died of hunting injury between your conception and birth



recognize when getting back to stone age cultures that everything is very much speculation based on the remote bits of record we have access to


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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: Patchouli_Savage]
    #26437188 - 01/16/20 05:23 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Well tantrika's posts got me thinking...

She posted a lot about animals, and even though humans may be just an evolved ape, we are far separated from any other animal on this planet. We inhabit every continent on this earth, even if our inhabitation on Antarctica is temporary. No other mammal has the fortitude or reasoning skills to be as widespread as Homo Sapiens. We live in tropical forest, deserts, mountains, islands, tundras, everywhere. Comparing the basic reproductive drive of animals to a being that is able to reason and create the world we have today is, IMO, not a valid argument.

Also please show me how the flying fuck we know what early tribal people were doing. The written record of humanity takes a drastic drop off at 2000+ years. Homo sapiens supposedly evolved ~200,000 years ago, the accounts of anything 5000 years plus ago is almost nonexistent and mainly comes as pictures/art/artifacts. We have very little clue what are ancestors where up to for 177,000 years before then.

Also one of your post said something along the lines of human males are, or should be, more attracted to young females than old because of long term bonds and menopause. Maybe that is true, but in my case i find older women far more attractive than younger:shrug:

And all of this should be taken with a grain of salt because i do not want to bring a child into a world where you can't call someone who is acting retarded a retard, or acting slutty a slut without being accused of a hate crime, harassment, or bullying. If you're a dumbass you're a dumbass. If you're a slut you're a slut. No shaming, just truth, no matter how much it hurts your feelings.

Do i have a problem with anyone, male or female, being a slut? No, what you do with your body is your own business. Don't have a problem letting them know they are a slut either when they advertise their personal business. FWIW my attraction to slutty girls is 100% physical, if they are attractive, my interest in a long term relationship with someone who is easy is very little.

PS. don't hate me tantrika i enjoy reading your post, but i disagree with you here:shrug:


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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: Tantrika]
    #26437193 - 01/16/20 05:27 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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recognize when getting back to stone age cultures that everything is very much speculation based on the remote bits of record we have access to



Well shit i couldn't even finish my post before you clarified:lol:
Also that picture you showed, from what i was taught when i was in school was believed to show how early humans understood and valued fertility.


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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: BabylonRuleDem]
    #26437200 - 01/16/20 05:30 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Well tantrika's posts got me thinking...

She posted a lot about animals, and even though humans may be just an evolved ape, we are far separated from any other animal on this planet. We inhabit every continent on this earth, even if our inhabitation on Antarctica is temporary. No other mammal has the fortitude or reasoning skills to be as widespread as Homo Sapiens. We live in tropical forest, deserts, mountains, islands, tundras, everywhere. Comparing the basic reproductive drive of animals to a being that is able to reason and create the world we have today is, IMO, not a valid argument.

Also please show me how the flying fuck we know what early tribal people were doing. The written record of humanity takes a drastic drop off at 2000+ years. Homo sapiens supposedly evolved ~200,000 years ago, the accounts of anything 5000 years plus ago is almost nonexistent and mainly comes as pictures/art/artifacts. We have very little clue what are ancestors where up to for 177,000 years before then.
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To be fair, Qman brought up the concept of humans maintaining certain biologically informed attitudes for millions of years
as well as the comparison to other mammals

simply went on to demonstrate how those do not necessarily support his point

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Also one of your post said something along the lines of human males are, or should be, more attracted to young females than old because of long term bonds and menopause. Maybe that is true, but in my case i find older women far more attractive than younger:shrug:





Personally also prefer older women, have since around 19-20

also have a strong personal bias towards women who express intelligence or wisdom as an attractive trait tho

but that was a postulate informing the reasoning of studying chimps as a comparison, and can comprehend the scientists' decisions to perform the study


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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: BabylonRuleDem]
    #26437207 - 01/16/20 05:34 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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recognize when getting back to stone age cultures that everything is very much speculation based on the remote bits of record we have access to



Well shit i couldn't even finish my post before you clarified:lol:
Also that picture you showed, from what i was taught when i was in school was believed to show how early humans understood and valued fertility.




yeah, but it also seems to hold more implications of female agency in fertility

and strongly contrasts with the (culturally much later) Hōnen Matsuri in Japan
where the fertilic value is ascribed to the penis



when studying religion at university, learning of this one made me retch pretty hard
not because of it being a big penis
but because it's also celebrated to have little kids run up and rub it for good fortune
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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #26437214 - 01/16/20 05:39 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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also have a strong personal bias towards women who express intelligence or wisdom as an attractive trait tho




Indeed I completely agree, i think we are on the same page here. Like i said i couldn't even finish my response before you clarified.
I just found the animal argument a little misleading, no offense meant, they were interesting reads.


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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: Asante]
    #26437224 - 01/16/20 05:44 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

A slut is just a female version of a regular man with regular hornyness


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Re: How do you feel about slut shaming? [Re: Tantrika]
    #26437239 - 01/16/20 05:54 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Tantrika said:
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BabylonRuleDem said:
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Tantrika said:
recognize when getting back to stone age cultures that everything is very much speculation based on the remote bits of record we have access to



Well shit i couldn't even finish my post before you clarified:lol:
Also that picture you showed, from what i was taught when i was in school was believed to show how early humans understood and valued fertility.




yeah, but it also seems to hold more implications of female agency in fertility

and strongly contrasts with the (culturally much later) Hōnen Matsuri in Japan
where the fertilic value is ascribed to the penis



when studying religion at university, learning of this one made me retch pretty hard
not because of it being a big penis
but because it's also celebrated to have little kids run up and rub it for good fortune
:awedisgust:




Holy Dick! Humans are weird:rofl:

Yeah i've never heard of the Hōnen Matsuri, i will have to read up.

I do know cultures have gone through periods of matriarchal and patriarchal periods, whether separated by time or geographic location. I actually have nothing against your statement of "partied and fucked around the fire". We really don't know, but it has been speculated that even judeo christian religion was started as a fertility cult. Now this is coming from reading "The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross" by John Allegro which you can think of however you wish. However he does make some thought provoking statements.

He also says Jesus was a mushroom so...:shrug:
Interesting read nonetheless


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