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ADHD and shrooms
    #26432397 - 01/13/20 11:31 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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how long have you been microdosing now? how much/how often?



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I’m ADHD and have been microdosing to help with mood at it works really well




Same here. What is your on/off schedule?

And how much do you take? I always seem to take a bit too much (~0.4 gr) or too little (~ 0.2-0.3 gr). Just don't seem to find the right spot.

Do you also trip additionally on some days?




I only started doing it back in November. I was only doing it for a about a month then I ran out of shrooms. 🙄 typical ADHD and not planning properly, but other factors can in to the mix too (must stop being hard on myself).

I started on 0.2g every three days, but I upped  the dose to 0.6g, which suited my needs better. I think each person needs a different amount, like with stimulant medication for ADHD, I think your metabolism dictates how much is needed.

I have two kids (9 and 11 years), and generally hate Christmas due to capitalism. However shrooms gave me back the enthusiasm for it, just like the kids have. I was less of a miserable old fart (I’m 43) due to the shrooms for sure.

Whilst still using concerta (helps working memory for sure with me) I was experimenting as follows:

ceremonial cacao (45g), in my own ceremonial way
NB: ceremonial cacao contains CBD, this counter balances a THC high, but helping to chill my hyperactivity and impulsively.

vape about 1/4 of a teaspoon  of weed whilst making the cacao, blowing it onto a balloon then inhale if it again then a final exhale on to the ceremonial cacao in a sudo ritualistic way. This becomes a mindful activity, mindfulness helps ADHD.

I then made some dried  mushroom (0.6 - 0.5g) and fresh lemon tea, whilst being mindful, whilst improve mawwal chanting (I’m a semi-professional session vocalist) which lifts my mood, as well as adding to the healing spiritual element.

But I need to make a bigger grow to properly do the above and measure the outcomes, it’s a bit difficult when I have to work long hours too. But that’s the capitalist system that I live in 🙄


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Re: ADHD and shrooms [Re: Zombie-ant]
    #26432533 - 01/14/20 03:54 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I only started doing it back in November. I was only doing it for a about a month then I ran out of shrooms. 🙄 typical ADHD and not planning properly, but other factors can in to the mix too (must stop being hard on myself).





I had my first experience back when I was younger (I'm well into my thirties now) but just a small dose, just for the jiggle and fun.

Encountered shrooms again last summer and immediately decided, that this is my thing. I tried (and still do) mindfulness meditation, Methylphenidate, Neurofeedback, etc. .... but nothing had such a huge effect as shrooms do.

Have to say that I am more of an ADD than ADHD guy, my hyperactivity got less during the last years and I have control over it most of the time. Still I'm unorganized and have the problems you most likely know very well.

I have started growing bulk lately because I want to build a long lasting supply. Also I find it to be a great hobby. It takes so much of my time and money, but I love it. :-D

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I started on 0.2g every three days, but I upped  the dose to 0.6g, which suited my needs better. I think each person needs a different amount, like with stimulant medication for ADHD, I think your metabolism dictates how much is needed.





Wow, 0.6g would prevent me from doing anything else than sitting and breathing :lol: I get "pulled down" in that dosage range. That's why I trip on 4-6g (dried) if I want to have a spiritual dose. Don't like the 1-3g range, makes me fell all itchy and strange. I try to limit my trips to 1-2 per month and do microdosing in between. As far as I know it is not detrimental in the long term... Currently my microdoses are around 0.3-0.4 just because I had a batch of not so potent mushrooms. But yeah, metabolism is the main factor here. People say that you shouldn't feel anything (low dose) and that it would still lift your mood over time. I didn't try that low doses consistently though.

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I have two kids (9 and 11 years), and generally hate Christmas due to capitalism. However shrooms gave me back the enthusiasm for it, just like the kids have. I was less of a miserable old fart (I’m 43) due to the shrooms for sure. 





I'm with you on the capitalism part. But you should really enjoy time with the kids and not think about capitalism :-P. If shrooms help, then that's the way to go...and come on, 43 is not an old fart's age! :lol:

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Whilst still using concerta (helps working memory for sure with me) I was experimenting as follows:





I stopped taking my meds (Methylphenidate) about a year ago. They seem to impact my mood and sleep patterns too much. I get aggressive at times and my girlfriend says I'm being colder/more distant. I go well without them now, especially since meditating daily and having the shrooms. If you have any means of taking a Neurofeedback-Therapy I suggest you try it out. I do it twice a week and it's also great help... Still, maybe I should try taking the meds in combination with the microdose. Need to research that...

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ceremonial cacao (45g), in my own ceremonial way
NB: ceremonial cacao contains CBD, this counter balances a THC high, but helping to chill my hyperactivity and impulsively.

vape about 1/4 of a teaspoon  of weed whilst making the cacao, blowing it onto a balloon then inhale if it again then a final exhale on to the ceremonial cacao in a sudo ritualistic way. This becomes a mindful activity, mindfulness helps ADHD.

I then made some dried  mushroom (0.6 - 0.5g) and fresh lemon tea, whilst being mindful, whilst improve mawwal chanting (I’m a semi-professional session vocalist) which lifts my mood, as well as adding to the healing spiritual element.





This sound great. I heard about CBD but didn't really get into it. Maybe I should look into it. For me it's not that easy to get hold of weed here and once I have some, I smoke like a crazy man until it's all gone. I can't stop and it impacts me severely... I like it very much but I don't know if I'll ever be able to use it moderately. 🙄

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But I need to make a bigger grow to properly do the above and measure the outcomes, it’s a bit difficult when I have to work long hours too. But that’s the capitalist system that I live in 🙄




I hope you will get your growth going soon. I know it's hard and much work, but this is a great source of energy and well being so it pays off, IMO.

If you need help or anything, don't hesitate to PM me.

Wish you all the best


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Re: ADHD and shrooms [Re: Prietenul]
    #26433213 - 01/14/20 01:44 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I agree that each person has to find their own sweet spot for microdosing.  I've been doing it for about 2 years now, 0.2g every 4th day for 6wks, repeat when symptoms reappear.  I also do the occasional psychoactive dose.


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Re: ADHD and shrooms [Re: Doc9151]
    #26434622 - 01/15/20 10:09 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

So if I understand you correctly, you managed to "silence" your symptoms solely by microdosing? That's great!

0.2 every fourth day would seem very little to me. Do you have any immediate effects on those days (audio-visual or emotional)?


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Re: ADHD and shrooms [Re: Prietenul]
    #26435484 - 01/15/20 07:03 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I can't begin to tell you how much of a difference it has made, I'll take microdosing Psilocybe mushrooms over garbage such as: xanax, buspirone, klonopin and many other pharmaceuticals used to treat depression and anxiety.

My cluster migraines are gone and I'm happy at the moment. There has definitely been a positive change in my life overall. What has worked for me may not be ideal for others but I believe there is potential and worth trying if you are suffering. I will caution you with a warning towards mental illness, if you or a family member have history of mental illness, magic mushrooms can make it significantly worse.  Everyone that I have personally observed or know that has had problems, their symptoms either appeared or worsened within their 5th dose of psychedelics. Suicidal ideation and schizophrenia are the symptoms and disorder that manifested.


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Re: ADHD and shrooms [Re: Doc9151]
    #26439603 - 01/18/20 04:02 AM (4 years, 30 days ago)

Hey man glad you found a way to help yourself.
I don't know if you'd consider this at all (some people just wont) but try it even once just as a test (preferably a few times of course)
Try lifting weights with HEAVY weights if possible in the morning.

I know heavy is subjective but push yourself and not to balls-out failure or anything but you get a mental clarity from it for many hours and some say the full day.

either way good luck and I'm happy you're helping yourself.


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Re: ADHD and shrooms [Re: CHOOS]
    #26439607 - 01/18/20 04:08 AM (4 years, 30 days ago)

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Hey man glad you found a way to help yourself.
I don't know if you'd consider this at all (some people just wont) but try it even once just as a test (preferably a few times of course)
Try lifting weights with HEAVY weights if possible in the morning.

I know heavy is subjective but push yourself and not to balls-out failure or anything but you get a mental clarity from it for many hours and some say the full day.

either way good luck and I'm happy you're helping yourself.



I’m on it dude, I go to the gym every morning (give or take a few days here and there), I also cycle everywhere. I know it increases dopamine uptake... I am just very very very hyper.

To be honest the things that help the most is fasting, healthy diet (complex carbs, high protein high fat) exercise every morning, methylphenidate hydrochloride [concerta] (to an extent), cannabis and ceremonial cacao and shrooms.
Hence me being on here and trying to increase my yield for microdosing. I also believe that I have inherited and experiential PTSD to deal with.


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Re: ADHD and shrooms [Re: CHOOS]
    #26439610 - 01/18/20 04:12 AM (4 years, 30 days ago)

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Hey man glad you found a way to help yourself.
I don't know if you'd consider this at all (some people just wont) but try it even once just as a test (preferably a few times of course)
Try lifting weights with HEAVY weights if possible in the morning.

I know heavy is subjective but push yourself and not to balls-out failure or anything but you get a mental clarity from it for many hours and some say the full day.

either way good luck and I'm happy you're helping yourself.



Thanks either way 🙏🏼


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Re: ADHD and shrooms [Re: CHOOS]
    #26439621 - 01/18/20 04:32 AM (4 years, 30 days ago)

Sweet dude!


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Re: ADHD and shrooms [Re: CHOOS]
    #26439783 - 01/18/20 07:29 AM (4 years, 30 days ago)

Just wanted to point out, that fasting as you say (intermittent fasting), has been a huge help for me, too...


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Re: ADHD and shrooms [Re: Prietenul]
    #26439786 - 01/18/20 07:35 AM (4 years, 30 days ago)

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Just wanted to point out, that fasting as you say (intermittent fasting), has been a huge help for me, too...



Humans never really had food in abundance, T McKenna would refer to our past of walking on the planes in Africa after food we would find mushrooms, and they would expand our mind. The fruit of the tree of knowledge a mushroom 🍄
We have knowledge but how do we use it... we no longer walked on planes for food, we learn with an expanded mind, about agriculture.
Fasting is healthy, natural, it’s just what we all used to do by necessity

We Humans are victims of our own success.

At least that’s what I think.


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Re: ADHD and shrooms [Re: Zombie-ant]
    #26439871 - 01/18/20 09:04 AM (4 years, 30 days ago)

I agree, especially since our technology evolved and continues to evolve faster and faster, but our bodies and brains have remained mostly the same for thousands of years.


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Re: ADHD and shrooms [Re: Prietenul]
    #26444063 - 01/20/20 11:03 PM (4 years, 27 days ago)

just saw this. interesting!

down the line I might try again. the reason I asked about your dose cycle is that I tried for about a month doing .3 g every third day and to be honest I have never felt more scattered and confused than I did at the end of my month long trial so I couldn't imagine what it would be like for someone with ADHD. I started because a friend said it was working well for them to manage depression and anxiety. after the first 2 weeks it felt wrong but I figured I was just acclimating and I should give it a few more weeks. at the end of the month I stopped because clearly it was causing me more trouble than it was worth. then i searched on here for info about microdosing and read many similar experiences so I knew I needed to just stop. I think that for what ails me a different regimen is required - I seem to get more and longer lasting mood improvement by tripping balls and reorienting my perspective every several weeks or so.

anyway glad its working for you


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Re: ADHD and shrooms [Re: trubblesome]
    #26444127 - 01/21/20 12:34 AM (4 years, 27 days ago)

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just saw this. interesting!

down the line I might try again. the reason I asked about your dose cycle is that I tried for about a month doing .3 g every third day and to be honest I have never felt more scattered and confused than I did at the end of my month long trial so I couldn't imagine what it would be like for someone with ADHD. I started because a friend said it was working well for them to manage depression and anxiety. after the first 2 weeks it felt wrong but I figured I was just acclimating and I should give it a few more weeks. at the end of the month I stopped because clearly it was causing me more trouble than it was worth. then i searched on here for info about microdosing and read many similar experiences so I knew I needed to just stop. I think that for what ails me a different regimen is required - I seem to get more and longer lasting mood improvement by tripping balls and reorienting my perspective every several weeks or so.

anyway glad its working for you




Were you still on stimulants?
Using cannabis?

Don’t wanna sound patronising, as I Have no ideas of what you know or don’t know.

This is my understanding in a nutshell, specifically for me.

ADHD = poor dopamine uptake

Dopamine = Reward, cognition, emotion, behaviour, attention (I see it as a regulator)

Stimulants = increase dopamine uptake. Exercise does this too. Stimulants work to an extent for me, they definitely help a bit with my working memory and attention, but not really with mood that much, they help a bit with hyperactivity and impulsivity)

Cannabis: THC and CBD. Thai weed or hashish, fuck skunk and all the street weed, I have a very cool dealer who is in his 40s like me “dude this other shit is for the youngsters, I’ll sort you out with my stash of and and hash, we’re to old for that man”. Older and wiser... high amounts of THC is what causes psychosis. I put  Small doses in a vape (0.5g - 0.9g) THC lifts mood with CBD it chills and reduces hyperactivity and counter balances the THC reducing THC negative effects.

Ceremonial Cacao: Theobromine - a cardiac stimulant (differs from caffeine, a nervous system stimulant), relaxes blood vessels, which is meant to increase blood circulation. It also has anandamide a lipid that binds to cannabinoid receptors. It enhances the effects of the cannabis

Psilocybin: serotonin...

All of the above helps me to deal with the shit the western society enforces on those born in to its sick ways of existing and valuing.

I am being my psychiatrist and psychiatric nurse....
I discussed these with some key psychiatrists too (won’t name names) they advised caution (Safety and law [imposed by our sick western society]) but saw that I was and that I have a “good enough” understanding of the drugs’ effects working with me.

Essentially that is what psychiatrist do anyway, they try different drugs on outsiders to help them fit in.

You can always PM me, I can try and advise but I’m only an expert on me.

But here it means the convo is shared with other outsiders too.

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Re: ADHD and shrooms [Re: Zombie-ant]
    #26444133 - 01/21/20 12:38 AM (4 years, 27 days ago)

I would also be uncomfortable with small doses, that I "feel". Like, .5g or even 1g is horrible for me. I hate that "half on - half off" state. With .3-.4g I feel a slight drowsyness.

Per definition microdosing should not give you any immediate effect when taking the dose. The positive effect should come gradually over time.

So if you have any altered state of mind due to taking the .3g then it's not a microdose and you should take a smaller dose.

However I also struggle with taking doses that I don't feel at all, because...well I don't know why. Feels like a waste of time maybe? :lol: Don't know, it's hard to describe.

On the other hand, if you think it's just not for you, then you should listen to that feeling and stop taking it.


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Re: ADHD and shrooms [Re: Zombie-ant]
    #26444135 - 01/21/20 12:40 AM (4 years, 27 days ago)

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trubblesome said:
- I seem to get more and longer lasting mood improvement by tripping balls and reorienting my perspective every several weeks or so.




I think a ceremonial dose also has its long term benefits on mood, as imperial college and kings college research have highlighted


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Re: ADHD and shrooms [Re: Prietenul]
    #26444138 - 01/21/20 12:44 AM (4 years, 27 days ago)

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I would also be uncomfortable with small doses, that I "feel". Like, .5g or even 1g is horrible for me. I hate that "half on - half off" state. With .3-.4g I feel a slight drowsyness.

Per definition microdosing should not give you any immediate effect when taking the dose. The positive effect should come gradually over time.

So if you have any altered state of mind due to taking the .3g then it's not a microdose and you should take a smaller dose.

However I also struggle with taking doses that I don't feel at all, because...well I don't know why. Feels like a waste of time maybe? :lol: Don't know, it's hard to describe.

On the other hand, if you think it's just not for you, then you should listen to that feeling and stop taking it.




A point well made I believe.


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Re: ADHD and shrooms [Re: Zombie-ant]
    #26444872 - 01/21/20 06:03 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

for sure! I don't want to shit on anyone who has something that's working for them. I get what you're saying about the microdose not being enough to feel it - I landed on .3 because .6, .5, and .4 had noticeable uncomfortable effects like you described, prietenul, and .3 was the threshold where it no longer did. I still definitely felt like microdosing was not for me as I just generally felt foggy and scattered even on the days I wasn't taking it, but gave it a shot to see if there was a transition phase I should wait to clear.

glad it works for some people. to be fair too the best way to have tried it would have been to grind up an O and measure out portions on a milligram scale rather than just popping a few shroom pieces in a bowl on a scale til it hits .3, but I'm pretty confident it's just not for me and that's okay.

Zombie-Ant - I was on stimulants briefly as a teen and they did not agree with me either. I was misdiagnosed at the time.


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Re: ADHD and shrooms [Re: trubblesome]
    #26444931 - 01/21/20 06:38 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)




Zombie-Ant - I was on stimulants briefly as a teen and they did not agree with me either. I was misdiagnosed at the time.



Diagnosed with what inattention?
Meds help with inattention, or at least they are meant to  😳


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    #26445197 - 01/21/20 08:32 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

yeah i mean im not going to go in to detail here but they mistook my boredom and general depression for ADD and medicated accordingly which was a disaster.


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