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Putin's entire cabinet resigns
    #26435111 - 01/15/20 02:48 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51120166

"Russia's government has resigned, hours after President Vladimir Putin proposed sweeping constitutional changes that could prolong his stay in power."

I wonder what Mr. Russia Falcon makes of this :lol:


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: twighead]
    #26435116 - 01/15/20 02:51 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

It was an orchestrated little scene they played out. Enough Russians came out to protest last year that Putin decided not to run for the 5th time. As such, he needs to transfer his powers to a position he WILL be holding after 2024.
...and what good little sheep his gov turned out to be. I bet 80% of them will get reshuffled into different gov positions.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: feldman114]
    #26435120 - 01/15/20 02:54 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

He's such a sweet dictator


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: twighead]
    #26435121 - 01/15/20 02:55 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

The guy has been either president or prime minister of Russia since 1999. 

That's a long god damn time.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: feldman114]
    #26435126 - 01/15/20 02:57 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

Russia is becoming a monarchy again. Works when you have a good monarch.

It's going to be interesting to watch this play out over the next few decades.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: twighead]
    #26435239 - 01/15/20 04:10 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

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"Russia's government has resigned, hours after President Vladimir Putin proposed sweeping constitutional changes that could prolong his stay in power."

I wonder what Mr. Russia Falcon makes of this :lol:



Here's a few points from your article:

"If approved by the public, the proposals would transfer power from the presidency to parliament."
"There is speculation he could seek a new role or hold on to power behind the scenes."
"There would be a nationwide vote on changes that would shift power from the presidency to parliament."
"Other measures include:  Strengthening laws that prohibit presidential candidates who have held foreign citizenship or foreign residency permits"

I don't see the concern?  It has to be voted on first by the country.  And should anyone really be concerned if Putin decides to run for one of the 616 seats in the Russian Parliament?


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: twighead] * 2
    #26435359 - 01/15/20 05:23 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

Don't be broadly naive :lol:, a whole government doesn't just up and resign as someone makes sweeping constitutional changes.

"Thanks for your service!"

The elections there aren't exactly legit :lolsy:

They have these votes to create an image of democracy but you can't exactly in clear conscious vote no without being threatened.

There's a plan here and you're just trying not to see it.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: twighead] * 7
    #26435386 - 01/15/20 05:48 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

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Don't be broadly naive :lol:, a whole government doesn't just up and resign as someone makes sweeping constitutional changes.

"Thanks for your service!"

The elections there aren't exactly legit :lolsy:

They have these votes to create an image of democracy but you can't exactly in clear conscious vote no without being threatened.

There's a plan here and you're just trying not to see it.




You’re so on point it’s scary.

But boy, did you just get yourself into an endless, pointless exchange.

Queue the “where’s the proof Putin ever did anything wrong” in 3, 2, 1...


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: twighead] * 1
    #26435408 - 01/15/20 06:08 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

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Don't be broadly naive :lol:, a whole government doesn't just up and resign as someone makes sweeping constitutional changes.

"Thanks for your service!"



I don't know anything about this yet except what I've read from your article which says:  "Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev announced that the government was resigning to help facilitate the changes."

I still don't understand why you're so concerned about Parliament getting more power.  As I've already said, if Putin decides to run for one of the 616 seats in the Russian Parliament, how much power will that give him?

I'll talk to my Russian connections about how they view this, because I don't know much about it yet.

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The elections there aren't exactly legit :lolsy:



Source?  Or make believe?  You might want to revisit a prior discussion on this first.

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They have these votes to create an image of democracy but you can't exactly in clear conscious vote no without being threatened.



Source, or make believe?

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There's a plan here and you're just trying not to see it.



I DON'T see it.  But I can't wait to hear you tell me about it.  :popcorn:


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26435471 - 01/15/20 06:56 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

Him giving the parliament more power is a facade as he's certain that he controls parliament to such a degree he can do whatever he wishes.

Do you believe that they will vote against Putin? I don't need to prove to you that their elections are rigged, all of the candidates that got through the intense rigamarole to even run against him were essentially shadow puppets to create the show. The ones that actually tried to run against him were given all the shit that their government could possibly even throw at them. I'm sure you'll just respond - sources, sources etc. as you can do this all day :lol:

I don't need to tell you about his plan to continue his grasp over the nation, that will all unfold right before your eyes as this continues, we'll have to wait about 4 years to see what happens in 2024 elections.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: twighead]
    #26435491 - 01/15/20 07:08 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

Falcon is a fan of sham elections


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: twighead]
    #26435503 - 01/15/20 07:15 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

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Him giving the parliament more power is a facade as he's certain that he controls parliament to such a degree he can do whatever he wishes.



Source, or make believe? 

Quote:

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Do you believe that they will vote against Putin?



If they disagree with him, yes.

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I don't need to prove to you that their elections are rigged, all of the candidates that got through the intense rigamarole to even run against him were essentially shadow puppets to create the show. The ones that actually tried to run against him were given all the shit that their government could possibly even throw at them. I'm sure you'll just respond - sources, sources etc. as you can do this all day :lol:



I do want sources.  I'm getting tired of arguing with make believers when I back up all the things I say, such as the prior discussion on Russian elections.

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I don't need to tell you about his plan to continue his grasp over the nation, that will all unfold right before your eyes as this continues, we'll have to wait about 4 years to see what happens in 2024 elections.



Ok, let's make a signature bet about whether Putin will still be in control in 2024.  Or will you chicken out like koods does every time?


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: koods]
    #26435504 - 01/15/20 07:16 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

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Falcon is a fan of sham elections



And koods is still King of Make Believe.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: koods]
    #26435507 - 01/15/20 07:17 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

I'm happy to make a signature bet about Putin being in control in 2024 haha - What'll it be?


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: twighead]
    #26435519 - 01/15/20 07:22 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

Do you think he'll still be president after 2024?  If not, how do you think he'll remain in power?


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26435538 - 01/15/20 07:30 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

He will be in a position that controls authority - the title doesn't matter so much.

He can switch around to being prime minister or whatever :lol: It's not like he didn't control vastly more things than Mendevev when he was - can you admit that?


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: twighead]
    #26435585 - 01/15/20 08:01 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

How do you think giving more power to parliament is going to help him if he becomes prime minister?


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26435620 - 01/15/20 08:23 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

My favorite falcon move is feigning ignorance when he knows exactly what’s going on.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: koods] * 1
    #26435823 - 01/15/20 10:39 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

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My favorite falcon move is feigning ignorance when he knows exactly what’s going on.



My favorite koods move is make believing he knows exactly what's going on even while he's still totally ignorant.

But feel free to tell me what you believe happened, and I'll tell everyone what my Russian contact told me.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26435837 - 01/15/20 10:48 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

mAh rUsSiAn cOnTacT


What are you like hooked into Putin's amygdala or something?


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26435844 - 01/15/20 10:55 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

You are naive if you don’t think he’s just setting himself up for the next phase of his dictatorship


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: twighead]
    #26435846 - 01/15/20 10:57 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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What are you like hooked into Putin's amygdala or something?



I know a good number of Russian citizens living in America under dual citizenship.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: koods] * 1
    #26435849 - 01/15/20 11:02 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

In Russia there are two parties. Putin sycophants and people who fall out of windows.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: koods]
    #26435857 - 01/15/20 11:07 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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You are naive if you don’t think he’s just setting himself up for the next phase of his dictatorship



Please explain how giving more power to parliament will set him up "for the next phase of his dictatorship", oh great King of Make Believe.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26435862 - 01/15/20 11:17 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

...and if he's all powerful like everyone claims, please explain why he didn't change the constitution to give the president MORE power and MORE successive terms in office?


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26435864 - 01/15/20 11:19 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Most of the articles about this have explained how he could use these changes to hold onto power. Don’t worry. Your guy will be around for a long time, bombing hospitals and killing journalists.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: koods]
    #26435865 - 01/15/20 11:23 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

For at least the 3rd time, how would these changes help him hold onto power, instead of changing the rule to allow president to serve more terms?


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26435867 - 01/15/20 11:25 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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...and if he's all powerful like everyone claims, please explain why he didn't change the constitution to give the president MORE power and MORE successive terms in office?





Right? I mean if he were all powerful he’d be able to make whatever changes he wants to the structure of govern... oh wait 🤔


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: koods]
    #26435871 - 01/15/20 11:29 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

So for at least the 4th time, how would these changes help him hold onto power?


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26435872 - 01/15/20 11:30 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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For at least the 3rd time, how would these changes help him hold onto power, instead of changing the rule to allow president to serve more terms?




Strong presidents just get in the way when you’re trying to run the country and you’re no longer president.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: koods]
    #26435879 - 01/15/20 11:36 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Then there’s the added advantage of being able to have your propagandists go out and say shit like “So for at least the 4th time, how would these changes help him hold onto power?”


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: koods]
    #26435883 - 01/15/20 11:38 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

How would he run the country if parliament gets the power?  Tell us about this proposed law that you are currently make believing.  :popcorn:


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26435888 - 01/15/20 11:54 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

The article in the OP explains. Just about every article I’ve read does as well. Why not read up a little instead of asking your either disingenuous or naive question over and over. Putin has been gaming the system for his own ends for more than two decades. He’s a dictator.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: koods]
    #26435893 - 01/16/20 12:11 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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The article in the OP explains. Just about every article I’ve read does as well. Why not read up a little instead of asking your either disingenuous or naive question over and over.



Why don't you just answer my questions?  Because you know it's just make believing that Putin is Superman.  I read the OP, and I already quoted from it:

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"If approved by the public, the proposals would transfer power from the presidency to parliament."
"There is speculation he could seek a new role or hold on to power behind the scenes."
"There would be a nationwide vote on changes that would shift power from the presidency to parliament."
"Other measures include:  Strengthening laws that prohibit presidential candidates who have held foreign citizenship or foreign residency permits"



You're probably talking about the 2nd bullet, where the BBC make believes that this will magically give Putin mysterious powers to work behind the scenes.  I think you understand how ridiculous that statement is and you're trying not to embarrass yourself by quoting it, so I just did it for you.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26435900 - 01/16/20 12:25 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Putin is saying the citizens will have to vote for the changes.  If they don't like it, they don't have to vote for it.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26435949 - 01/16/20 01:39 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Hey maybe I’m wrong and he’s gonna finally settle down, retire and enjoy the billions of dollars he earned working for the government his entire life.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: koods]
    #26435994 - 01/16/20 02:42 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

I'm sure he's ready to give over the reins


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    #26436160 - 01/16/20 05:57 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Falcon, how come you didn’t answer that question about Medvedev?
Do you think Putin ran the country while Medvedev was president?


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: feldman114]
    #26436257 - 01/16/20 07:13 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Yes, I think Putin did influence Medvedev.  :shrug:

Now why don't you answer the question of how Putin stays in control if the people vote to give Parliament more power.


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    #26436311 - 01/16/20 08:05 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Ok. He is giving powers to a committee of a dozen or so ministers and lawmakers, which he will head starting 2024. Said powers include appointing the PM, going to war, and approving/blocking laws BEFORE the president sees them.

It’s all just a precaution for the future, in case a real thread (Navalny or his ilk) ends up president. The current gov is entirely in Putin’s control already, regardless of his title.

Another motive is to put on a show for his own people. This year, more Russians than ever came out in various gov protests - and were jailed by the thousands btw - and Putin hopes to give the appearance of a gov overhaul.
In truth, most of the people who “resigned” (as if they had a choice) will be reshuffled into the “new” gov.


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    #26436400 - 01/16/20 09:03 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26436408 - 01/16/20 09:06 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Yes, I think Putin did influence Medvedev.  :shrug:





Can I ask why the shrug? Don’t you think controlling a country via a puppet president is horrible?
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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: feldman114]
    #26436410 - 01/16/20 09:07 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Ok. He is giving powers to a committee of a dozen or so ministers and lawmakers, which he will head starting 2024. Said powers include appointing the PM, going to war, and approving/blocking laws BEFORE the president sees them.



What do you mean he will head Parliament starting in 2024?  That depends on whether he even wants to stay in office when he's that old and if he then gets elected to be chairman.  It's weird how you and koods believe Putin is Superman.

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It’s all just a precaution for the future, in case a real thread (Navalny or his ilk) ends up president.



Navalny has little popularity in Russia.  And if he ever does get elected President, then he'll rule the country.

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The current gov is entirely in Putin’s control already, regardless of his title.



No.  It's under his control because of his title.  He wouldn't any have control if he were janitor.

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Another motive is to put on a show for his own people. This year, more Russians than ever came out in various gov protests - and were jailed by the thousands btw - and Putin hopes to give the appearance of a gov overhaul.
In truth, most of the people who “resigned” (as if they had a choice) will be reshuffled into the “new” gov.



People don't get jailed in Russia for protesting unless they do it illegally without getting a permit, which aren't hard to get.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: feldman114]
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Yes, I think Putin did influence Medvedev.  :shrug:



Can I ask why the shrug? Don’t you think controlling a country via a puppet president is horrible?
You don’t think it’s outrageous?



Cheney and Rumsfeld ran the country when Bush was President and got us into wars based on lies, making millions for themselves in the process.

The major difference being they weren't very popular in the US.  Shouldn't we be more outraged about that?


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    #26436430 - 01/16/20 09:27 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Yes, I think Putin did influence Medvedev.  :shrug:



Can I ask why the shrug? Don’t you think controlling a country via a puppet president is horrible?
You don’t think it’s outrageous?



Cheney and Rumsfeld ran the country when Bush was President and got us into wars based on lies, making millions for themselves in the process.

The major difference being they weren't very popular in the US.  Shouldn't we be more outraged about that?




I just want people reading this to note that I didn’t ask about Cheney or Rumsfeld, and you didn’t answer the question at all. Neither of them CONTROLLED a u.s. president btw.

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Ok. He is giving powers to a committee of a dozen or so ministers and lawmakers, which he will head starting 2024. Said powers include appointing the PM, going to war, and approving/blocking laws BEFORE the president sees them.



What do you mean he will head Parliament starting in 2024?  That depends on whether he even wants to stay in office when he's that old and if he then gets elected to be chairman.  It's weird how you and koods believe Putin is Superman.

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It’s all just a precaution for the future, in case a real thread (Navalny or his ilk) ends up president.



Navalny has little popularity in Russia.  And if he ever does get elected President, then he'll rule the country.

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The current gov is entirely in Putin’s control already, regardless of his title.



No.  It's under his control because of his title.  He wouldn't any have control if he were janitor.

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Another motive is to put on a show for his own people. This year, more Russians than ever came out in various gov protests - and were jailed by the thousands btw - and Putin hopes to give the appearance of a gov overhaul.
In truth, most of the people who “resigned” (as if they had a choice) will be reshuffled into the “new” gov.



People don't get jailed in Russia for protesting unless they do it illegally without getting a permit, which aren't hard to get.




Dude, read.
I never said he’s gonna head parliament.
And “he’s in control because of his title” doesn’t jive well with your concession that he was in power while Medvedev was president.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: feldman114]
    #26436489 - 01/16/20 10:00 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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I just want people reading this to note that I didn’t ask about Cheney or Rumsfeld, and you didn’t answer the question at all. Neither of them CONTROLLED a u.s. president btw.



Neither did Putin CONTROL Medvedev.

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He is giving powers to a committee of a dozen or so ministers and lawmakers, which he will head starting 2024.



What do you mean he will head Parliament starting in 2024?  That depends on whether he even wants to stay in office when he's that old and if he then gets elected to be chairman.



Dude, read.
I never said he’s gonna head parliament.



What do you think "he will head starting in 2024"?

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And “he’s in control because of his title” doesn’t jive well with your concession that he was in power while Medvedev was president.



So you don't see the difference between being the Prime Minister of Russia and being one of 616 members of parliament?  Alrighty then.


Look, it's clear you and koods love to make believe how things are in Russia that totally contradicts how most Russians feel.  I should nominate you guys for a Make Believe award on Sesame Street.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26436539 - 01/16/20 10:25 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Yes, I think Putin did influence Medvedev.  :shrug:



Can I ask why the shrug? Don’t you think controlling a country via a puppet president is horrible?
You don’t think it’s outrageous?



Cheney and Rumsfeld ran the country when Bush was President and got us into wars based on lies, making millions for themselves in the process.

The major difference being they weren't very popular in the US.  Shouldn't we be more outraged about that?




Why don’t you answer the question Feldman asked instead of resorting to baseless whataboutisms


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: koods]
    #26436543 - 01/16/20 10:28 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

What have I not answered?


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #26436574 - 01/16/20 10:48 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Backtracking on your concession already?

I’m not gonna address questions that were already answered in OP’s article.

I love how you feel that you know the opinion of “most Russians”. Priceless.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: feldman114]
    #26436580 - 01/16/20 10:55 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Backtracking on your concession already?



What have I backtracked on?  I said "Putin did influence Medvedev", but he did not "CONTROL Medvedev".

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feldman114 said:
I’m not gonna address questions that were already answered in OP’s article.



But nobody explained yet how Putin keeps control of the country by giving Parliament more power.  It's make believe caused by Putin Derangement Syndrome.

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I love how you feel that you know the opinion of “most Russians”. Priceless.



There are public opinion polls, in case you weren't aware.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: feldman114]
    #26436587 - 01/16/20 10:58 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

In reality, “how most Russians feel” is tired. They don’t believe government exists to serve them because they’ve been fucked by said gov at every step.

They cheer for their nation’s foreign conquests, but cry over their internal way of life - the corruption, the limited freedom, the lack of economic opportunities...

Russian opinion polls are even less reliable than the elections results. Only Putin’s couch-activist army claims to trust them. Congrats on making General btw.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: feldman114]
    #26436597 - 01/16/20 11:05 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

I don't play make believe.  You're going to have to source your Sesame Street claims.


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    #26436603 - 01/16/20 11:07 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

As opposed to your sources: “Most Russians” and “My Russian Contacts”


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: koods]
    #26436611 - 01/16/20 11:11 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

I have Russian sources that I get information from, and I have Russian polls that I get information from.  What exactly are you arguing here?


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    #26436633 - 01/16/20 11:22 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

You like polls and stats, huh?

Wanna know which country is top 3 in all of the below?
the most suicides in the world?
The most child suicides?
Most drug OD?
Largest population of injecting opiate users?
Most alcoholics?
Most domestic violence?
Biggest property price to income ratio?
Largest wealth gap? (Yes, even worse than the US)


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: feldman114]
    #26436657 - 01/16/20 11:39 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Sure, I'll take facts over make believe any day.  :thumbup:


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    #26436677 - 01/16/20 11:48 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Well Russia is a shit place to live because (and only because) of Putin’s gov policies and/or lack thereof. And that’s a fact.

How does an immensely oil-rich, highly industrial nation stay dirt-poor?
How does the pres. have billions while EVERY 5th RUSSIAN HAS NO RUNNING WATER?
How does a nation most famous for its art and music become an oppressing military force?


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    #26436679 - 01/16/20 11:49 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

I know one Russian guy. Refugee. Came here six years ago and was granted status because his
Life was in danger in Russia because he had the nerve to stand up for gay rights. Russia is the most backwards country in the developed world and a lot of that has to do with being run by a criminal enterprise for two decades.

Putin has worked for the government his entire life yet he is worth billions of dollars. Falcon doesn’t actually give a shit about corruption. He just likes to use the notion of corruption as a weapon to attack people he doesn’t like.


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    #26436695 - 01/16/20 11:55 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Well Russia is a shit place to live because (and only because) of Putin’s gov policies and/or lack thereof. And that’s a fact.

How does an immensely oil-rich, highly industrial nation stay dirt-poor?
How does the pres. have billions while EVERY 5th RUSSIAN HAS NO RUNNING WATER?
How does a nation most famous for its art and music become an oppressing military force?




That sounds like a recipe for 24 years of electoral victory :laugh2:

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    #26436715 - 01/16/20 12:09 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Life was in danger in Russia because he had the nerve to stand up for gay rights. Russia is the most backwards country in the developed world and a lot of that has to do with being run by a criminal enterprise for two decades.



I've already agreed Russia is behind on gay rights.  I won't support Russia unless you make believe about them, which you do all the time.

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Putin has worked for the government his entire life yet he is worth billions of dollars. Falcon doesn’t actually give a shit about corruption. He just likes to use the notion of corruption as a weapon to attack people he doesn’t like.



I actually don't support this, oh great King of Make Believe.  Putin got rich in the 90's during Russia's transition to capitalism when many Russian officials got rich.  I think he and the other Russian billionaires should give the money back.


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    #26436719 - 01/16/20 12:11 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Well Russia is a shit place to live because (and only because) of Putin’s gov policies and/or lack thereof. And that’s a fact.

How does an immensely oil-rich, highly industrial nation stay dirt-poor?
How does the pres. have billions while EVERY 5th RUSSIAN HAS NO RUNNING WATER?
How does a nation most famous for its art and music become an oppressing military force?



Not sure where you're going with this.  Should I post a random list of some of the many areas where Ukraine sucks?


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    #26436736 - 01/16/20 12:22 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Yesss politicians just happened to be the winners of 90’s Russia’s free market:rofl2: capitalism is the problem!!:grin:

Fal, ask your “contacts” what Russians call the 90’s lol. You’re delusional.


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    #26436738 - 01/16/20 12:23 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Well Russia is a shit place to live because (and only because) of Putin’s gov policies and/or lack thereof. And that’s a fact.

How does an immensely oil-rich, highly industrial nation stay dirt-poor?
How does the pres. have billions while EVERY 5th RUSSIAN HAS NO RUNNING WATER?
How does a nation most famous for its art and music become an oppressing military force?



Not sure where you're going with this.  Should I post a random list of some of the many areas where Ukraine sucks?




Haha what does Ukraine have to do with the topic at hand??


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    #26436751 - 01/16/20 12:30 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Fal, ask your “contacts” what Russians call the 90’s lol. You’re delusional.



What am I delusional about?  People didn't steal billions?

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Haha what does Ukraine have to do with the topic at hand??



My question to you was what do random facts about Russia have to do with the topic at hand?  You were trying to dodge my asking for sources, which you still haven't provided.


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    #26436769 - 01/16/20 12:39 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Answering another question with a question... this is getting way too repetitive and boring tbh


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    #26436799 - 01/16/20 12:57 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Well Russia is a shit place to live because (and only because) of Putin’s gov policies and/or lack thereof. And that’s a fact.

How does an immensely oil-rich, highly industrial nation stay dirt-poor?
How does the pres. have billions while EVERY 5th RUSSIAN HAS NO RUNNING WATER?
How does a nation most famous for its art and music become an oppressing military force?



Not sure where you're going with this.  Should I post a random list of some of the many areas where Ukraine sucks?




This is a thread about Putin


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    #26436802 - 01/16/20 01:01 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Fal, ask your “contacts” what Russians call the 90’s lol. You’re delusional.



What am I delusional about?  People didn't steal billions?

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Haha what does Ukraine have to do with the topic at hand??



My question to you was what do random facts about Russia have to do with the topic at hand?  You were trying to dodge my asking for sources, which you still haven't provided.




They aren’t random facts about Russia. They are facts that beg the question, how does someone with such a terrible record remain president for over 20 years?


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: koods]
    #26436803 - 01/16/20 01:01 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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This is a thread about Putin



Thank you.  :thumbup:

Somehow the thread turned into some random facts about Russian alcoholism.  As if that didn't exist before Putin.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: koods]
    #26436807 - 01/16/20 01:02 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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...how does someone with such a terrible record remain president for over 20 years?



I don't live in Russia, but the majority of Russians love the guy.

How does Donald Trump get elected in America?  :flowstone:


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26436813 - 01/16/20 01:05 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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This is a thread about Putin



Thank you.  :thumbup:

Somehow the thread turned into some random facts about Russian alcoholism.  As if that didn't exist before Putin.




Putin is Russia’s dictator. Facts about Russia are relevant and the context of my post is clear...MY POINT WAS IN THE FIRST SENTENCE OF THE POST. You just choose to ignore it. Maybe caps will be harder to ignore?


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26436816 - 01/16/20 01:05 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

You are so disingenuous. The state of the Russian nation is totally relevant to a discussion about the country’s leader for the past two decades.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: feldman114]
    #26436818 - 01/16/20 01:06 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Well Russia is a shit place to live because (and only because) of Putin’s gov policies and/or lack thereof. And that’s a fact.

How does an immensely oil-rich, highly industrial nation stay dirt-poor?
How does the pres. have billions while EVERY 5th RUSSIAN HAS NO RUNNING WATER?
How does a nation most famous for its art and music become an oppressing military force?




Here you go, nice and bold.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: koods]
    #26436820 - 01/16/20 01:07 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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You are so disingenuous. The state of the Russian nation is totally relevant to a discussion about the country’s leader for the past two decades.



And after 20 years of rule, a majority of Russians still love the guy.


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    #26436821 - 01/16/20 01:08 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Well Russia is a shit place to live because (and only because) of Putin’s gov policies and/or lack thereof. And that’s a fact.

How does an immensely oil-rich, highly industrial nation stay dirt-poor?
How does the pres. have billions while EVERY 5th RUSSIAN HAS NO RUNNING WATER?
How does a nation most famous for its art and music become an oppressing military force?




Here you go, nice and bold.



And after 20 years of rule, a majority of Russians still love the guy.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26436824 - 01/16/20 01:09 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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You are so disingenuous. The state of the Russian nation is totally relevant to a discussion about the country’s leader for the past two decades.



And after 20 years of rule, a majority of Russians still love the guy.




This is fact because Putin’s polls say so, right? Putin has no reason to bolster Putin’s popularity:ancientaliens:


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    #26436840 - 01/16/20 01:19 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Falcon was recently bragging about Assad’s great poll numbers. He doesn’t seem to get how dictatorships work. Which is odd, because he really loves our planets current crop of dictators.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: koods]
    #26436850 - 01/16/20 01:27 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Falcon was recently bragging about Assad’s great poll numbers. He doesn’t seem to get how dictatorships work. Which is odd, because he really loves our planets current crop of dictators.




Yeah it’s a convenient talking point, and it gives him a chance to oh-so-righteously call for proof.
Twighead aaaalmost caught him with the Medvedev presidency. I was about to apologize about my diagnosis of falcon as a narcissist, but then he doubled back on the admission.


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    #26437366 - 01/16/20 07:10 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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And after 20 years of rule, a majority of Russians still love the guy.



This is fact because Putin’s polls say so, right? Putin has no reason to bolster Putin’s popularity:ancientaliens:



No.  Not Putin's polls.  :facepalm:

Russia is an open country now, and anyone can take a poll there, and many different organizations do.

Keep trying for that King of Make Believe crown, I think may be gaining some ground on koods.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: koods]
    #26437370 - 01/16/20 07:12 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Falcon was recently bragging about Assad’s great poll numbers. He doesn’t seem to get how dictatorships work. Which is odd, because he really loves our planets current crop of dictators.



No not bragging about them.  Just stating them.  And no I don't love dictators, I simply hate make believe about them.

Looks like you don't want to give up your King of Make Believe crown.


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    #26440872 - 01/18/20 09:49 PM (4 years, 11 days ago)

Speaking of Russia, I wonder what's going on here.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/478952-trumps-newest-russia-adviser-leaves-post-report

"Andrew Peek, the head of European and Russian affairs at the National Security Council, has left his post three months after he started, people familiar with the situation told Bloomberg Saturday evening.

Sources told the publication that Peek was escorted from the White House Friday.

Earlier on Saturday, Axios reported that he had been placed on administrative leave pending a security-related investigation.

Peek joined the NSC in November, coming over from the State Department where he was a deputy assistant secretary.

An NSC spokesman told The Hill: "We do not discuss personnel matters."

Peek also declined Bloomberg's and Axios' request for comment.

Peek was reportedly expected to accompany President Trump to the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland next week.

Peek's two predecessors, Tim Morrison and Fiona Hill both testified during the House's impeachment proceedings against President Trump.

Peek's departure is the third time in less than a year that the position has been vacant."

:popcorn: . . . :peace:


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: vinsue]
    #26440921 - 01/18/20 10:32 PM (4 years, 11 days ago)

The most disfunctional White House ever. At this point, nobody with any self respect or competence is willing to work for trump, and we are left with a country being run by the dregs.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: koods]
    #26441971 - 01/19/20 04:42 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

He thinks he's still on that show The Apprentice, and every week he gets to say "You're fired".


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: twighead]
    #26442267 - 01/19/20 08:09 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

Unreal!

:incredible:

:mindblown:

Does Putin have any replacements for his entire cabinet that just quit?


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    #26442501 - 01/19/20 11:59 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

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Unreal!

:incredible:

:mindblown:

Does Putin have any replacements for his entire cabinet that just quit?



As he looks for replacements, his cabinet will "carry on with their functions as ‘normal’".


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    #26443273 - 01/20/20 02:33 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Exactly! This is simply just another power move made to look like the citizens will in some fashion be better off as a result of this. Putin is simply doing what Yeltsin asked him to do(hes loyal when he needs to be) which is handover power to you-all I ask is I can keep the millions stolen etc etc. Only putin is way better at this than yeltsin, though yetsin got exactly what he asked of vova(putin) Putin however leaves very little to chance when it comes to his estimated 50 plus billion, though other credible sources say his actual wealth is much more than that, many think he is the richest man out there. I wouldnt be shocked, anyone who has been in russia excluding moscow and some of st pete know that Russia is a pretty shitty place to live, the third biggest city is also a polluted mess and peoples daily lives are pretty brutal, they are good bout education, bout the only thing they are good at other thn stealing the money of its hrd working, loyal proud people.


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    #26443348 - 01/20/20 03:19 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

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    #26443420 - 01/20/20 04:10 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

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Exactly! This is simply just another power move made to look like the citizens will in some fashion be better off as a result of this. Putin is simply doing what Yeltsin asked him to do(hes loyal when he needs to be) which is handover power to you-all I ask is I can keep the millions stolen etc etc. Only putin is way better at this than yeltsin, though yetsin got exactly what he asked of vova(putin) Putin however leaves very little to chance when it comes to his estimated 50 plus billion, though other credible sources say his actual wealth is much more than that, many think he is the richest man out there. I wouldnt be shocked, anyone who has been in russia excluding moscow and some of st pete know that Russia is a pretty shitty place to live, the third biggest city is also a polluted mess and peoples daily lives are pretty brutal, they are good bout education, bout the only thing they are good at other thn stealing the money of its hrd working, loyal proud people.



I think the money grab ended long ago though (during Russia's conversion to capitalism), and now Russia simply looks a lot like many Western country in terms of inequality.


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    #26443515 - 01/20/20 05:07 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

I really wish that was the case, however when the govt stills steals pensions from the poorest of the poor-well that tells you that things have not changed. From everyone i know that lives there they would laugh at the assertion that putin isnt still robbing most everyone and everything he can blind.

Dont get me wrong, he for sure has pet projects that he has for obvious PR reasons but the veil is even pretty thin on that, they dont hide it because they really dont have to. People know what time it is in russia it certiqnrly is far far away from a (respectable?) for of capitalism.


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    #26443553 - 01/20/20 05:26 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

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...when the govt stills steals pensions from the poorest of the poor-well that tells you that things have not changed.



What do you mean by "steals"?  Anything like when the US Government stole the Social Security surplus?


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    #26446240 - 01/22/20 12:10 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

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    #26446332 - 01/22/20 12:51 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

So no answer by anyone for what was meant by "steals"?  Only crickets?


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    #26446342 - 01/22/20 12:54 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

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    #26446351 - 01/22/20 12:58 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

Not yet, but I contacted Merriam-Webster. Help is on the way.
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I was hoping someone would teach me something, but all I learned is that you're not the only make believer here.  :shrug:


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    #26446356 - 01/22/20 01:00 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

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    #26446390 - 01/22/20 01:23 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

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You have a cricket infestation. Get a couple geckos.



The only time the crickets come out is when I ask people to back up their claims.

Maybe we should rename this forum "Sesame Street" where everyone just makes things up, and we don't ask for proof?


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    #26528414 - 03/11/20 01:56 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/10/21173493/putin-russia-president-term-limits-coronavirus

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    #26528428 - 03/11/20 02:27 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

That is the topic of this thread.


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