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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26435844 - 01/15/20 10:55 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

You are naive if you don’t think he’s just setting himself up for the next phase of his dictatorship


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: twighead]
    #26435846 - 01/15/20 10:57 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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What are you like hooked into Putin's amygdala or something?



I know a good number of Russian citizens living in America under dual citizenship.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: koods] * 1
    #26435849 - 01/15/20 11:02 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

In Russia there are two parties. Putin sycophants and people who fall out of windows.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: koods]
    #26435857 - 01/15/20 11:07 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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You are naive if you don’t think he’s just setting himself up for the next phase of his dictatorship



Please explain how giving more power to parliament will set him up "for the next phase of his dictatorship", oh great King of Make Believe.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26435862 - 01/15/20 11:17 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

...and if he's all powerful like everyone claims, please explain why he didn't change the constitution to give the president MORE power and MORE successive terms in office?


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26435864 - 01/15/20 11:19 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Most of the articles about this have explained how he could use these changes to hold onto power. Don’t worry. Your guy will be around for a long time, bombing hospitals and killing journalists.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: koods]
    #26435865 - 01/15/20 11:23 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

For at least the 3rd time, how would these changes help him hold onto power, instead of changing the rule to allow president to serve more terms?


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26435867 - 01/15/20 11:25 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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...and if he's all powerful like everyone claims, please explain why he didn't change the constitution to give the president MORE power and MORE successive terms in office?





Right? I mean if he were all powerful he’d be able to make whatever changes he wants to the structure of govern... oh wait 🤔


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: koods]
    #26435871 - 01/15/20 11:29 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

So for at least the 4th time, how would these changes help him hold onto power?


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26435872 - 01/15/20 11:30 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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For at least the 3rd time, how would these changes help him hold onto power, instead of changing the rule to allow president to serve more terms?




Strong presidents just get in the way when you’re trying to run the country and you’re no longer president.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: koods]
    #26435879 - 01/15/20 11:36 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Then there’s the added advantage of being able to have your propagandists go out and say shit like “So for at least the 4th time, how would these changes help him hold onto power?”


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: koods]
    #26435883 - 01/15/20 11:38 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

How would he run the country if parliament gets the power?  Tell us about this proposed law that you are currently make believing.  :popcorn:


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26435888 - 01/15/20 11:54 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

The article in the OP explains. Just about every article I’ve read does as well. Why not read up a little instead of asking your either disingenuous or naive question over and over. Putin has been gaming the system for his own ends for more than two decades. He’s a dictator.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: koods]
    #26435893 - 01/16/20 12:11 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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The article in the OP explains. Just about every article I’ve read does as well. Why not read up a little instead of asking your either disingenuous or naive question over and over.



Why don't you just answer my questions?  Because you know it's just make believing that Putin is Superman.  I read the OP, and I already quoted from it:

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"If approved by the public, the proposals would transfer power from the presidency to parliament."
"There is speculation he could seek a new role or hold on to power behind the scenes."
"There would be a nationwide vote on changes that would shift power from the presidency to parliament."
"Other measures include:  Strengthening laws that prohibit presidential candidates who have held foreign citizenship or foreign residency permits"



You're probably talking about the 2nd bullet, where the BBC make believes that this will magically give Putin mysterious powers to work behind the scenes.  I think you understand how ridiculous that statement is and you're trying not to embarrass yourself by quoting it, so I just did it for you.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26435900 - 01/16/20 12:25 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Putin is saying the citizens will have to vote for the changes.  If they don't like it, they don't have to vote for it.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26435949 - 01/16/20 01:39 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Hey maybe I’m wrong and he’s gonna finally settle down, retire and enjoy the billions of dollars he earned working for the government his entire life.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: koods]
    #26435994 - 01/16/20 02:42 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

I'm sure he's ready to give over the reins


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: twighead] * 3
    #26436160 - 01/16/20 05:57 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Falcon, how come you didn’t answer that question about Medvedev?
Do you think Putin ran the country while Medvedev was president?


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: feldman114]
    #26436257 - 01/16/20 07:13 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Yes, I think Putin did influence Medvedev.  :shrug:

Now why don't you answer the question of how Putin stays in control if the people vote to give Parliament more power.


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Re: Putin's entire cabinet resigns [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
    #26436311 - 01/16/20 08:05 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Ok. He is giving powers to a committee of a dozen or so ministers and lawmakers, which he will head starting 2024. Said powers include appointing the PM, going to war, and approving/blocking laws BEFORE the president sees them.

It’s all just a precaution for the future, in case a real thread (Navalny or his ilk) ends up president. The current gov is entirely in Putin’s control already, regardless of his title.

Another motive is to put on a show for his own people. This year, more Russians than ever came out in various gov protests - and were jailed by the thousands btw - and Putin hopes to give the appearance of a gov overhaul.
In truth, most of the people who “resigned” (as if they had a choice) will be reshuffled into the “new” gov.


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