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InvisibleTheUltimateBohab
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Kratom
    #26433533 - 01/14/20 04:19 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

I have ZERO EXPERIENCE with Kratom but i've been wanting to try it for a while from the online descriptions it sounds right up my ally so i got excited and started searching. well as it turns out im in one of the banned states... yeah quite unfortunate after weeks of searching i found one single vendor that will ship it to me thats not overseas and the stuff i received from them is garbage (i think) ate 9 grams of a mix of red green yellow and kind of felt something maybe, hard to tell. so i was wondering if Kratom is just extremely subtle? i kind of felt a little energized for an hour from green and a little tired from red not much else tiny body buz i mean really small.

and does anybody know of a vendor that will ship to a banned state that has any kind of quality? im hesitant to ship overseas considering it is technically illegal in my area... just for the record i only use shroomery vendors for all my experience related ventures.

any input is greatly appreciated


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Re: Kratom [Re: TheUltimateBohab]
    #26433554 - 01/14/20 04:28 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

I started with Kratom, then to poppy seed, then to sniffing heroin, then to shooting heroin. Tread carefully with opiates all I'm saying. Clean now, but still haunts me almost daily I'd say with wanting to have just a lil bit.


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Re: Kratom [Re: OJnShrooms]
    #26433567 - 01/14/20 04:36 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

yeah i went the other way around im ending on kratom not worried....

kratom i'snt an opiate 


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Re: Kratom [Re: TheUltimateBohab]
    #26433893 - 01/14/20 08:07 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

Did you abuse opiates in the past?

If so you might never be able to get much effect from Kratom, or may need larger doses, your opiate receptors could be fried.

Or, maybe it’s garbage. That’s definitely a possibility. Potency varies. You should be able to get something like a good hydrocodone buzz from Kratom. Too much isn’t fun, don’t overdo it.


Honestly I’d just avoid that shit after some of the stuff I’ve been reading about heart complications and seizures and everything. Last time I did it I had what almost felt like an allergic reaction. My skin was hot and itchy like I had a sunburn, and my heart was racing. No more Kratom for me


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Re: Kratom [Re: mendocino_beano]
    #26434049 - 01/14/20 09:54 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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Did you abuse opiates in the past?

If so you might never be able to get much effect from Kratom, or may need larger doses, your opiate receptors could be fried.

Or, maybe it’s garbage. That’s definitely a possibility. Potency varies. You should be able to get something like a good hydrocodone buzz from Kratom. Too much isn’t fun, don’t overdo it.


Honestly I’d just avoid that shit after some of the stuff I’ve been reading about heart complications and seizures and everything. Last time I did it I had what almost felt like an allergic reaction. My skin was hot and itchy like I had a sunburn, and my heart was racing. No more Kratom for me




im next to 100% positive its not the receptors being fried i think its crap after i ordered i found all the negative reviews for that company from what ive read im lucky they didnt just straight take money and say get fucked...

im not arguing i only discovered this stuff like a week ago and first time trying to try it was yesterday, but according to the activist forums( theres a lot of them) i guess vendor is super important when it comes to kratom. the dudes on those forums say that crappy vendors cut it with god knows what and i guess that accounts for most of the negative issues.... i dosed at 3g to start took another 2 a few hours later and another 4 a few hours after that when i decided i couldnt feel anything.

its too bad i was hoping for an slight upper without an insane crash like i get off anything upping even too much caffeine so i could not feel so incredibly tired/shitty during my 12 hour night work shifts.... thats natural (i only do natural drugs these days mostly...) occasional beer hydro combo when it comes around once a year or less these days...


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Re: Kratom [Re: TheUltimateBohab]
    #26434186 - 01/14/20 11:40 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

Kratom not an opiate? HA! Abused for a couple years had same withdrawals similar to other opiates. Lethargy, apathy, runny nose, sneezing, yawning, stretching, insomnia. Works on basically same receptors as all other opiates.


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Re: Kratom [Re: TheUltimateBohab]
    #26435135 - 01/15/20 03:06 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

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kratom i'snt an opiate 





Kratom itself as a "whole" is not an opiate (poppies and their alkaloids are the only opiates), but kratom certainly contains alkaloids that are opioids.

Its main effects are mediated through opioid receptors.




Sounds like the stuff you got is weak, and/or if you have dabbled with opiates/opioids in the past you might have a high tolerance to kratom (it seems that some folks who've taken any opiates regularly in the past just don't experience much from kratom).

With no tolerance...1.5g to 2g should be plenty for some energy/pep at work.




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Re: Kratom [Re: openmind]
    #26435155 - 01/15/20 03:18 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

Your sig makes me question your question.


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Re: Kratom [Re: FSHuntings]
    #26437038 - 01/16/20 03:43 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

This one time, I went into a smoke shop in Rochester, Minnesota to purchase some kratom.  I asked the dude behind the counter what he suggested for pain relief and he said he didn't really know, but went on to say, "What ever you do, don't by the one called Trainwreck. That shit is whack."

Has anyone here heard of this "Trainwreck" or have you tried it?


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Re: Kratom [Re: Dilsnique] * 2
    #26437066 - 01/16/20 03:59 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

No, but I heard it's whack.


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Re: Kratom [Re: Dilsnique]
    #26437072 - 01/16/20 04:03 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

I experienced the honeymoon phase with kratom, for a month or 2, where I got really high from kratom, at the time I was working outdoors, and the sun on my skin felt like pure bliss, but that quickly faded and now it is extremely subtle, I dont even know why I still take it, I usually just take 1 or 2 measuring teaspoons a dose ( 1 teaspoon being approximately 2.5 grams), but I have tried taking up to 5 teaspoons in the past and I didnt get any higher 


kratom kinda sucks, but its good for pain relief, I cant smoke weed so I justify taking kratom as an alternative


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Re: Kratom [Re: gopher]
    #26437304 - 01/16/20 06:40 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

I was taking up to 15 a grams a day also. Definitely opiate like withdrawals were felt.


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Re: Kratom [Re: OJnShrooms]
    #26437481 - 01/16/20 08:37 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Been eating g kratom for a few years now but usually only 3 or 4 times a month mostly days off but the last 2 months was nearly every day. Ate around 50 "00" caps 3 days ago and noticed very obvious opiate withdrawal for at least a day. Took me by surprise because I have eaten kratom for a few weeks daily in high doses but not notice any after effects until now.


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Re: Kratom [Re: SonicTitan]
    #26437674 - 01/16/20 11:17 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

I like kratom for mostly the pain killing and anti-depressant effects.

OP, when was the last time you did any opiates? Kratom is pretty subtle with no tolerance. If you have a tolerance then you might not notice much of what it's doing.

I've also found that it just doesn't work on a small number of people. You might be one of those people, or your tolerance is getting you, or you got weak shit. Don't assume it's weak and then take a bunch though because kratom overdose is no fun at all.


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Re: Kratom [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #26439554 - 01/18/20 02:44 AM (4 years, 11 days ago)

It will kill the yawns, settle your stomach, and give you a bit of energy.  It's like a cup of coffee if coffee was an opiate.  Definitely subtle.

You'll never really be satisfied with kratom if you're looking to get high, and if you try you'll pay with headaches and tossing up foul stomach brewed krat tea.


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Re: Kratom [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #26439885 - 01/18/20 09:10 AM (4 years, 11 days ago)

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It will kill the yawns, settle your stomach, and give you a bit of energy.  It's like a cup of coffee if coffee was an opiate.  Definitely subtle.

You'll never really be satisfied with kratom if you're looking to get high, and if you try you'll pay with headaches and tossing up foul stomach brewed krat tea.




For me it feels like how I feel 5 minutes after snorting a line of H. Stimulated, calmer, a weird taste in my mouth and buzz in my head... but it stops there and never peaks. Kinda a tease. I always feel super out of it the next day or two, likely residual from past opiate dependency.


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Re: Kratom [Re: feevers]
    #26440736 - 01/18/20 08:02 PM (4 years, 11 days ago)

I've had some intense kratom highs. It is very similar to a mild to moderate morphine high. There was a couple times it was stronger comparable to oxy for me.


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Re: Kratom [Re: SonicTitan]
    #26444232 - 01/21/20 03:30 AM (4 years, 8 days ago)

Last time I did opiates was nine months ago very mild Vicodin since I've done any real opiates it's been years.... after playing around with dosing and things I realize smaller amount is definitely better 2 grams or something much more than that I'm kind of makes me feel sick.... I bought a few different flavors and some of the other flavors work a little bit I noticed myself getting panic attacks though if I do it and smoke weed at the same time I don't know if that's normal or makes any sense but I definitely have noticed it

Even though it's supposed to be similar to an opiate it feels nothing like an opiate that I've ever done more like a weird upper hard to explain how it affects me definitely nothing like anything I've done before I'm not positive I really like it very much makes it so I can't sleep at all


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Re: Kratom [Re: TheUltimateBohab] * 1
    #26444785 - 01/21/20 12:31 PM (4 years, 8 days ago)

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...after playing around with dosing and things I realize smaller amount is definitely better 2 grams or something much more than that I'm kind of makes me feel sick.





"Less is more" is definitely true when it comes to kratom :yesnod: .

I, and quite a few others, find the "sweet spot" in the dosage to be around 2g.

2g (or just under a teaspoon), twice a day, has been my dose since the first day I started to use kratom over 7 years ago and it still works just fine for me even after 7 years of taking it practically daily :shrug: .

I too will usually start to feel a bit unwell if I take a little too much...if I take anymore than around 4g to 5g at once (which I never do anymore) I will experience unwanted side effects and feel mostly dysphoric (hot & sweaty, dizzy/light headed, difficulty focusing, just feeling "out of it" and not well in general).

Keeping dosage relatively low and in moderation is the best way to work with kratom...I've never had to increase my dosage at all, and like mentioned I've been taking this leaf basically daily for over 7 years now. Still works for me just fine and I don't really experience the side effects that some people talk about :shrug: .








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Even though it's supposed to be similar to an opiate it feels nothing like an opiate that I've ever done more like a weird upper hard to explain how it affects me definitely nothing like anything I've done before I'm not positive I really like it very much makes it so I can't sleep at all





It's not just "similar to an opiate"...The two main alkaloids in kratom are in fact opioids. (*they're opioids, not opiates)

If you take kratom regularly for a while...You will develop some dependence/tolerance to opioids and when ever you stop taking it you will absolutely experience some of the typical symptoms of withdrawing from an opioid (tho relatively mild compared to a more typical/classic opioid)

But yea...with the entire spectrum of different alkaloids that kratom contains and all the different receptors/systems that kratom touches on, kratom does have a bit of a unique effect/buzz/feel to it that isn't totally like that of a classic opioid....but it is for sure hitting the opioid receptors.





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Re: Kratom [Re: TheUltimateBohab]
    #26444902 - 01/21/20 06:23 PM (4 years, 8 days ago)

If you're in the states should order your kratom from one of the shroomery supporters as they are pretty quality.

Taking 9 grams and not feeling an effect sounds like shitty kratom. I have never been addicted to opiates long-term so I can't speak to whether or not having past experiences with opiates will negate kratom, but as long as you aren't actively abusing opiates it should be fine, so I would say chances are you got shitty kratom.

One thing to keep in mind with kratom however is that you can become physically dependent on it because it's an opiate. If you use everyday you will end up going through withdrawals when you stop, but generally speaking they aren't too bad. Nothing that loperamide won't fix though.


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