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1945 flashback - would YOU nuke Japan?
    #26433508 - 01/14/20 04:02 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

Its 1945.

The European War is all but over, you're America heavily entangled with the Imperial forces of Japan.

Oppenheimer's "Gadget" worked. You now have two atomic bombs capable of knocking flat a large part of a major city.

The scientists who built it are almost unanymous in "NO DONT DO IT" but you're losing a whole lot of troops and its a long way to Tokyo.

Hiroshima.
Nagasaki.


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2020 is the year of hindsight so...


Would you do it?


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Would you, in America's shoes, deploy your two nuclear weapons against Japan?
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Re: 1945 flashback - would YOU nuke Japan? [Re: Asante]
    #26433529 - 01/14/20 04:16 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

I don't know enough about the circumstances that led to it I mean I know why we got into the war in the first place but if I remember correctly it took some really drastic shit to stop the war, right?  Like how else would we have been able to end it and how much worse would it have gotten had we not?


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Re: 1945 flashback - would YOU nuke Japan? [Re: Asante]
    #26433540 - 01/14/20 04:22 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

The Japanese were developing biological weapons to use against the US.
I would have nuked them more, they were some sick fucks. They did human experiments like the nazis.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

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During the final months of World War II, Japan planned to use plague as a biological weapon against San Diego, California. The plan was scheduled to launch on September 22, 1945, but Japan surrendered five weeks earlier.[33][34][35][36]




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Re: 1945 flashback - would YOU nuke Japan? [Re: Asante]
    #26433546 - 01/14/20 04:25 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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Asante said:
but you're losing a whole lot of troops and its a long way to Tokyo.




And even more Japanese civilians.  I don't think that people realize how bad the war was, that deploying nuclear weapons was arguably the more humane option.


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Re: 1945 flashback - would YOU nuke Japan? [Re: chibiabos] * 1
    #26433571 - 01/14/20 04:38 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

Japan was doing this "we fight till the end" shit even when they were clearly losing. Truman said fuck that shit, no more bs we ending it now


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    #26433670 - 01/14/20 05:55 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

They could have demonstrated the power of it by dropping it on a less populated area. They dropped dropped it on two cities that's a dick move. 226,000 people mostly civilians, were killed.


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Re: 1945 flashback - would YOU nuke Japan? [Re: viraldrome]
    #26433675 - 01/14/20 05:59 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

Absolutely.

We learned to never use nukes again and to prevent their production.


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Re: 1945 flashback - would YOU nuke Japan? [Re: Asante]
    #26433721 - 01/14/20 06:22 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

If we hadn't dropped those bombs, we would have had to lead a ground invasion along with almost certainly more firebombing. The number of civilians who would have died in the ground invasion combined with the additional firebombing would have made hiroshima and nagasake seem like a picnic. The sheer level of human misery and suffering that would have resulted would have been totally apocalyptic. Not to mention that if we had lead a ground invasion, thousands upon thousands of Americans would have died as well.

This resulted in the least suffering and lowest casualty rates possible under the circumstances. Japan wasn't going to surrender. Even after we dropped both bombs, the military tried to form a coup against the emperor to continue the war. They would have fought to the last man, and many, many more civilians would have died even more brutally.


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Re: 1945 flashback - would YOU nuke Japan? [Re: nooneman]
    #26433745 - 01/14/20 06:34 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

Absolutely it saved millions of people on both sides in viscous battle that would be ended the same except much more death and brutal invasion warfare. The Japanese already had citizens jumping off of cliffs rather then be captured because of propaganda.


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Re: 1945 flashback - would YOU nuke Japan? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26433791 - 01/14/20 07:01 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

I would have dropped one. How could you explain in 3 days the devastation? They didnt have the means or words to describe something that horrific, nobody did. It was impatient and cruel to just be like "Oh you didnt surrender in 10 seconds? Have another one motherfuckers!"

But yeah, it's pretty universally accepted that we saved lives. Where and how we dropped them is another matter entirely


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Re: 1945 flashback - would YOU nuke Japan? [Re: bloodsheen]
    #26433811 - 01/14/20 07:14 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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I would have dropped one. How could you explain in 3 days the devastation? They didnt have the means or words to describe something that horrific, nobody did. It was impatient and cruel to just be like "Oh you didnt surrender in 10 seconds? Have another one motherfuckers!"

But yeah, it's pretty universally accepted that we saved lives. Where and how we dropped them is another matter entirely




We almost had to drop a third one because even the second nuclear bombing didn't convince the higher-ups right away until we threatened another if you're going to drop one you need to drop as many as it takes to end the fighting. Also during this times the Japanese were committing atrocities just like the Nazis as far as horrible human experiments and pervasive and constant torture.


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Re: 1945 flashback - would YOU nuke Japan? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26433819 - 01/14/20 07:19 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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bloodsheen said:
I would have dropped one. How could you explain in 3 days the devastation? They didnt have the means or words to describe something that horrific, nobody did. It was impatient and cruel to just be like "Oh you didnt surrender in 10 seconds? Have another one motherfuckers!"

But yeah, it's pretty universally accepted that we saved lives. Where and how we dropped them is another matter entirely




We almost had to drop a third one because even the second nuclear bombing didn't convince the higher-ups right away until we threatened another if you're going to drop one you need to drop as many as it takes to end the fighting. Also during this times the Japanese were committing atrocities just like the Nazis as far as horrible human experiments and pervasive and constant torture.



Yeah. Woulda coulda shoulda. There's a lot of evidence that both Germans and Japanese had some fucked up plans and powerful weapons in the works. How much of that we knew about at the time I'm not sure but I cant say Im sad we nuked them. Look at what they became, from backwards xenophobes to... well still kinda backward xenophobes. But they hit the 21st century like a freight train and idk if that would have happened without those nukes.


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Re: 1945 flashback - would YOU nuke Japan? [Re: bloodsheen]
    #26433841 - 01/14/20 07:32 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

Right? Without those nukes we would not have Final Fantasy VII.  Thanks nukes!


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Re: 1945 flashback - would YOU nuke Japan? [Re: Newbie]
    #26434172 - 01/14/20 11:19 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

Now you're getting it


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