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Selenium Crystals (Meth alternative?)
#26433214 - 01/14/20 01:44 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3144468/
So a lot of us have heard about selenium crystals being smoked as a substitute for meth for decades...
I have researched this a lot and have come across an equal amount of naysayers and pro-selenium users.
Has anyone smoked selenium crystals themself? if so give me all the details!
Is there anyone willing to try this?
Edited by Sporestain (01/14/20 02:16 PM)
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Re: Selenium Crystals (Meth alternative?) [Re: Sporestain] 1
#26433222 - 01/14/20 01:49 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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I've never heard of this, and it can't be healthy. I wouldn't be surprised if it's dangerous or outright harmful.
According to wikipedia, more than 400 micrograms (MICROGRAMS!) per day results in selenosis, which is toxicity. I guarantee you'd get more than 400 micrograms from a single inhalation.
Symptoms of selenium toxicity include: "gastrointestinal disorders, hair loss, sloughing of nails, fatigue, irritability, and neurological damage. Extreme cases of selenosis can exhibit cirrhosis of the liver, pulmonary edema, or death"
Don't smoke selenium, it's highly toxic.
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Re: Selenium Crystals (Meth alternative?) [Re: nooneman]
#26433229 - 01/14/20 01:51 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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sounds almost exactly like the toxicity of methamphetamine
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Re: Selenium Crystals (Meth alternative?) [Re: Sporestain] 3
#26433234 - 01/14/20 01:52 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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No it doesn't.
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Re: Selenium Crystals (Meth alternative?) [Re: nooneman]
#26433258 - 01/14/20 02:00 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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nooneman said: No it doesn't.
Looks pretty damn close, and we all know people who use meth constantly have bone and teeth decay as well as hair loss
https://www.acmt.net/Methamphetamine_FAQ.html
What are the adverse effects of methamphetamine use? Methamphetamine can cause adverse effects to many organ systems including the brain and nerves, gastrointestinal tract, heart, lung, kidney, muscles, skin, bones, and urinary tract. The developing fetus may also be at risk from methamphetamine use. Bones and teeth Methamphetamine is associated with tooth decay by causing dry mouth, teeth grinding, malnutrition and overall neglect in personal hygiene. There is also increased risk of traumatic injury to bones.
Brain and nerves Methamphetamine is associated with spontaneous bleeding in the brain, seizures, strokes, temporary or permanent memory and attention problems, difficulty walking, sensitivity to light and complete vision loss. Abstinence following intoxication is associated with depression, apathetic attitude, irritability and poor concentration. Chronic abuse is associated with depression and suicidal ideation, psychosis with hallucinations, persecutory delusions and hostility.
Gastrointestinal tract Methamphetamine users are at increased risk of viral hepatitis compared to nonusers if they use contaminated needles or engage in risky sexual behavior. Methamphetamine has been associated with complications which cause severe abdominal pain, bloody diarrhea and vomiting. Methamphetamine can cause spontaneous bleeding in the pancreas.
Heart Methamphetamine can cause chest pain, high blood pressure, fast or abnormal heart rate, coronary artery disease, heart attacks, heart muscle weakness, rupture of the aorta, and can predispose to infections of the heart.
Lung Methamphetamine can cause fluid to accumulate in the lungs and cause problems with breathing.
Kidney Methamphetamine can injure the kidneys, sometimes resulting in the need for dialysis.
Muscles Methamphetamine is associated with muscle breakdown, which may produce pain and lead to kidney injury. It also leads to increased risk of traumatic injuries.
Pregnancy Methamphetamine is associated with premature delivery, vaginal bleeding, smaller than normal fetus, and sudden death of the mother or developing fetus.
Skin Methamphetamine causes repetitive picking behavior that can result in severe scratching of the face and extremities, and result in severe infections.
Urinary Methamphetamine users are more likely to contract a sexually transmitted disease than nonusers if they engage in risky sexual behavior; they also have increased risk of transmission because of longer sexual encounters.
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Re: Selenium Crystals (Meth alternative?) [Re: nooneman]
#26433264 - 01/14/20 02:02 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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For the record: Selenium is highly toxic, should not be ingested, and when ingested in small doses makes you reek of a mix of garlic and rotten leeks.
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Signs and symptoms of selenosis include a garlic odor on the breath, gastrointestinal disorders, hair loss, sloughing of nails, fatigue, irritability, and neurological damage. Extreme cases of selenosis can exhibit cirrhosis of the liver, pulmonary edema, or death.[107] Elemental selenium and most metallic selenides have relatively low toxicities because of low bioavailability. By contrast, selenates and selenites have an oxidant mode of action similar to that of arsenic trioxide and are very toxic.
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Re: Selenium Crystals (Meth alternative?) [Re: Sporestain]
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Re: Selenium Crystals (Meth alternative?) [Re: Asante]
#26433271 - 01/14/20 02:05 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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Asante said: For the record: Selenium is highly toxic, should not be ingested, and when ingested in small doses makes you reek of a mix of garlic and rotten leeks.
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Signs and symptoms of selenosis include a garlic odor on the breath, gastrointestinal disorders, hair loss, sloughing of nails, fatigue, irritability, and neurological damage. Extreme cases of selenosis can exhibit cirrhosis of the liver, pulmonary edema, or death.[107] Elemental selenium and most metallic selenides have relatively low toxicities because of low bioavailability. By contrast, selenates and selenites have an oxidant mode of action similar to that of arsenic trioxide and are very toxic.
I know its toxic lol, so is meth. All i wanna know is if someone has tried it before and if it made them high. simple question
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Re: Selenium Crystals (Meth alternative?) [Re: Sporestain]
#26433276 - 01/14/20 02:07 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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Other names for the selenium crystals i have heard are "easter bunny meth" and "string dope"
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Re: Selenium Crystals (Meth alternative?) [Re: Crazy_Horse]
#26433292 - 01/14/20 02:13 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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for a community of people who are called open-minded, no one really seems to be all that open.
there have been several new articles ive read where an apparatus for producing selenium crystals had been found in a meth lab. there must be some reason for that.
ive heard about it for a long time, theres gotta be something to it, and im interested in finding out.
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Re: Selenium Crystals (Meth alternative?) [Re: Sporestain] 3
#26433298 - 01/14/20 02:15 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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Try your question on the methery.
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#26433300 - 01/14/20 02:16 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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Sporestain said: for a community of people who are called open-minded, no one really seems to be all that open.
We're a harm reduction community who know their chemistry, pharmacology and toxicology and we take the stopping of the spread of dangerous misinformation, seriously.
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Re: Selenium Crystals (Meth alternative?) [Re: Sporestain]
#26433328 - 01/14/20 02:28 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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So a lot of us have heard about selenium crystals being smoked as a substitute for meth for decades...
Nah...
This is actually the first time I've heard of such non-sense.
Selenium is no substitute for meth...it's not even a "drug", and it is quite toxic in any amount that someone would be using it as a "drug"...Does it have any sort of pharmacological properties? If someone manages to smoke some selenium I'm pretty sure nothing is going to happen, they're certainly not going to get high, nothing is going to happen other than them poisoning themselves.
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Re: Selenium Crystals (Meth alternative?) [Re: Sporestain] 1
#26433339 - 01/14/20 02:34 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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here's your meth substitute
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Re: Selenium Crystals (Meth alternative?) [Re: wrestler_az]
#26433342 - 01/14/20 02:35 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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I have heard those actually speed you very well. I'm too old for that though.
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Re: Selenium Crystals (Meth alternative?) [Re: tyrannicalrex] 2
#26433351 - 01/14/20 02:38 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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closest thing to meth that's not meth i've ever tried
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Re: Selenium Crystals (Meth alternative?) [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26433421 - 01/14/20 03:10 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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tyrannicalrex said: I have heard those actually speed you very well. I'm too old for that though.

They certainly do.
I'm not a big fan of stims and only dabbled with meth maybe a dozen times or so several years ago.
But one day like 5 years ago, purely out of curiosity, I went and got one of those benzedrex inhalers just to see what the stuff is like (I'm a very curious person lol).
I took out the cotton, soaked it in some juice for a while and gave it a good squeeze after.
I drank 1/2 of the cup of juice to start with....
I was coming up very soon after drinking/dosing that 1/2.
By the hour mark I was quite high and ziiingin' with euphoria...I was very surprised at how euphoric and similar it was to meth.
But the pleasant/euphoric high was soon overshadowed by the most gnarly body load and the most intense vaso-constriction I've ever experienced in my life.
The constriction was so intense it made my legs hurt.
I was slammed with an excruciating headache.
My body was dumping out a HUGE amount of hydration, I was going pee very frequently for about 2 hours and was pissing out a lot of hydration each time. I pee a lot after eating mushrooms or LSD, and this was much more than that.
I was feeling like absolute garbage by the 2 hour mark...one of the worst headaches of my life (and I get migraines pretty regularly), the worst muscle tension/vaso-contriction ever, and some nausea and dehydration to go along with it.
At that point all I wanted to do was lay down, relax, and go to sleep and sleep it off....but nooooo, that shit had me stimmed up and awake until the next day. It was one of the most miserable "drug experiences" I've ever had. The fist hour was definitely enjoyable, but once that body load took over it was terrrible and not something I ever want to go through again lol.
And that was only 1/2 of the inhalers worth...I can't imagine how I would have felt if I dosed the entire thing.
If I didn't experience such an intense body load and so many side effects I would consider propylhexedrine to be actually be a pretty decent drug, the high itself was quite pleasant...Besides the body load it was quite reminiscent of meth IMO and I was super surprised at how nice of a high it had at first before the body load/side effects set in.
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Re: Selenium Crystals (Meth alternative?) [Re: Crazy_Horse]
#26433544 - 01/14/20 04:24 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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Crazy_Horse said: Try your question on the methery.
It looks like the site "geekfest" is more or less that. One of the few places I was able to find anything that seems to confirm this.
Supposedly the following article was printed in a newspaper called the Harrison Times.
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You might know about the methamphetamine problem in Arkansas and all across the United States. But there's another substance that's gaining popularity, although it's equally dangerous - possibly even more so, officials say. Although this substance is only now coming to light, it's not necessarily new to drug investigators. It's been around for a couple of years. "A good year-and-a-half for sure," says Greg Harris, 14th Judicial Drug Task Force executive director. Still, it's new enough that it doesn't even really have a street name attached to it. Harris said all he's ever heard it called is "crystal," which is also a slang term for meth. One Internet Web site listing a recipe for it called it "Easter Bunny Meth."
Even the process to make it is kind of mysterious.
Harris said a combination of gun bluing and other household materials are mixed in an aquarium. Then, cotton twine, possibly even the head of a string mop, is suspended just above the surface of the mixture - thus, it's sometimes called "string dope," the Web site said.
The Web site said the concoction is buried for somewhere between two to six weeks. At that time, crystals will have formed on the string. Those crystals are then removed and smoked.
The resulting effect is not altogether different from meth; the user's heartbeat races, blood pressure rises, pupils dilate. But, officials say it's not clear if it affects the brain in the same way as meth by blocking the body's dopamine production resulting in a "high."
Harris said the process has only been described to him and he's never really seen it in action.
"We got an aquarium in a basement that had been used for that," he said, recalling one search warrant execution. They found some of the ingredients and cotton twine, but it wasn't really in operation at the time.
Harris said investigators first came across the substance while doing a search warrant in the northern part of the Boone County. They didn't know what it was and thought it might have been a process to synthesize pseudoephedrine, a precursor of meth.
So, Harris called Norman Kemper, a senior chemist with the Arkansas State Crime Lab. He said Kemper had never heard of it before, but set about tracing the process to determine what it produced.
Kemper told the Daily Times that it appears the process actually is a way to recover selenium from the selenious acid in gun bluing. Selenium, Kemper explains, is a substance the human body needs. It's in most multivitamins, but only in micrograms. When the selenium crystals are smoked, the user gets dosage in milligrams and is actually suffering from selenium poisoning, which can cause hair and fingernails to fall out and teeth to decay.
The other effects of selenium poisoning aren't all known.
Kemper says this new process is one of several that surfaced after pseudoephedrine was made a controlled substance and is harder to obtain as users try different methods to make meth.
Kemper hopes parents might look at what their children are doing. What looks like a science experiment may be something much more dangerous. He says that because the recipe is readily available on the Internet, some youth might experiment with it thinking they're experimenting with drugs. But it's not meth. And, Kemper says, the reason the substance hasn't really proliferated is because "ice," a concentrated, crystalline form of meth that is smoked, is so available now. Harris knows all about ice as well. He said the first ice that came into this area was in large crystal form, resembling quartz. And although ice and "Easter Bunny Meth" are both crystals, they do look different to Harris and he believes he can recognize the difference when the crystals are whole. But the ice now coming into the area is in smaller form, like large grains of salt, because it's been crushed. At that point, it's not possible to tell the difference between actual ice and the selenium substance. It's quite possible that dealers are buying a quantity of ice, crunching it up and mixing the selenium substance with it to "cut" or bulk up the quantity to increase profit. So, users could very well be ingesting the selenium substance without knowing it.
"They probably are at this point in time," Harris said. Still, there's a more frustrating problem for law enforcement: Because the new substance isn't meth, it's not a controlled substance and isn't technically illegal by itself.
Harris explains that if the substance is being represented as meth and sold, that's illegal. Or if it's being made to use to "cut" meth, it's illegal. But Harris says he doesn't have the time or manpower necessary to chase down those people just making it. So, is it a problem the legislature should address sometime soon? Harris wonders how to best go about it. Any law against the substance, because it's not technically a drug, would have to be against manufacturing it with intentions of using it as cut or to sell as meth. "It's all about intent," Harris said. Although those concerns are valid, Harris also wonders about the health problems associated with "Easter Bunny Meth."
For instance, if someone is using meth and has health problems as a result, he/she is not generally willing to tell a doctor they've been doing the drug.
Many medical professionals know the symptoms of meth use and could mistake them for symptoms of the new substance. Or, if a patient's blood tests positive for meth, doctors might not know selenium poisoning might also be present. Presently, Harris said, he's not even aware of a test for selenium, so finding out about health problems associated with the new substance is a question in and of itself. "We have no way to know," Harris says
http://www.geekfest.com/showthread.php?121416-String-Dope
Edit: found the actual article: https://harrisondaily.com/substance-not-really-drug/article_04421228-49df-5013-a91b-f25ce47290d7.html
Edited by psi (01/14/20 04:32 PM)
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Re: Selenium Crystals (Meth alternative?) [Re: Sporestain]
#26433711 - 01/14/20 06:19 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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This "selenium crystals" on a string being like meth reminds me some other tweaker myths I heard a while back....
...people claiming that if you spray "wasp killer" on electrical wires and then scrape the stuff off the wires it's basically meth... ....I can't find the thread, but several years ago someone on the shroomery made a thread similar to this, except they were talking about taking wires, I'm pretty sure they mentioned running an electrical current through them, spraying wasp killer on the wires while a current was running through them, then scrapping the "crystals" off the wires and smoking it and saying it's similar to meth. ...Sounds like some ignorant backwoods tweaker stuff .
Tweakers come up with some of the most ridiculous shit.
All I can think of is perhaps selenium was used as a cutting agent at some point (which would be terrible)...But I don't think any one is smoking "selenium" when quality meth is pretty much every where and cheap these days. This country is flooded with meth in all sorts of communities, it's not difficult to find.
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