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Offlineelunicotomas
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Tea tek, what went wrong?
    #26432928 - 01/14/20 10:17 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hi there,

Two weeks ago my gf, her brother and me decided to drink some mushroom tea, they've never tried shrooms and the only time I tried them was in a chocolate I made (w 3gr. dried mush.) with a friend and altough it was an amaizing trip I had this nausea all the time and felt realy sick most of the trip. After some googling around this, I decided to make some tea, 3 cups with 3grams of dried mushrooms each.

And it did nothing.


This is exactly what I did.

1) we had a light dinner at around 10pm, it was a perfect summer night

2) boil water

2) put the water with 2 tea bags in a Stanley bottle 

3) went to the beach (5 minutes walk)

4) put in each of the cups the mushrooms, and pour the tea from the bottle

5) waited 20 minutes, and we drank the teas they were almost cold (I also eat some of the mushrooms just to feel the taste)



We waited and in about 15 minutes i started to feel lightheaded so I thought "ok this is going perfect" but that was the only thing I felt, my gf said that she was seeing the stars a bit closer, her brother the same as me. We waited 1 hr and nothing, 30 more minutes and nothing, we had some beers and went back home.

Maybe the fact that this was January 3rd, and on the night of December 31 (3 days earlier) we droped some acid and because of the cross tolerance, but it was just a little, my gf 1/4 tab, her brother and me 1/2 tab.

Maybe the mushrooms are "old"? I harvested them in April, they are stored in a vacuum sealed bag....

A friend told me that the hot tea breaks the psylocibin but I've already googled that and i know it's not the case, but he's convinced on that....

Any ideas?

Thanks!


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: elunicotomas]
    #26432936 - 01/14/20 10:21 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You forgot the acid.
Add lemon juice next time


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: feldman114]
    #26432976 - 01/14/20 10:56 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

No, it was not the heat.
Look at melting points for each:
Psilocybin 220-228° C or 428+° F
Psilocin 173-176° C or 343+° F
Source https://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_chemistry.shtml

Oxygen is usually the culprit for degradation.
Were they cracker dry before vacuum sealing? When you took them out were they still cracker dry?
Under a year is not "old" IMO
People have been making teas with mushrooms since the beginning of time, it's a tried and true way to extract the actives. I'd try again, don't let this turn you off of teas.

I'd wait 2-3 weeks and dose again.  Acid does have a cross-tolerance with psilocybin so I'm sure that played into it.

Hope this helps!


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: elunicotomas]
    #26432990 - 01/14/20 11:08 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

It sounds like your water had cooled down too much OP before infusing the mushrooms. You need to pour over boiling water then simmer for about 20 minutes then strain it. Even better if you soak the mushrooms first with lemon juice, just enough to soak them all. This will extract more psychoative compounds.

Or you could just have been unlucky.


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: elunicotomas]
    #26433000 - 01/14/20 11:21 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yea you missed some steps. Check it out. Works great.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20712738


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26433033 - 01/14/20 12:00 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you all!

I might try again this weekend :cool:


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: elunicotomas] * 1
    #26433036 - 01/14/20 12:06 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

And make sure to crush your shrooms well. The smaller the chunks, the better.
Whole mushrooms soaked in lukewarm water for 5min won't work, but crushed or ground up mushrooms soaked in boiling (or hot) water for 20min will do the trick. :wink:

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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: Pandemoon] * 1
    #26433045 - 01/14/20 12:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Ime, boiling water is not a mist, but lemon juice is.


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: feldman114]
    #26433047 - 01/14/20 12:14 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The link I posted includes all of the above. Follow that and you can guarantee maximum yield.


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26433058 - 01/14/20 12:24 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I haven't added citrus in years. I really don't notice a difference.

Cubes kind of ruined lemon and lime for me for a while there...


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: footpath]
    #26433064 - 01/14/20 12:30 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe it’s all in my head, but adding lemon seemed to make my teas way stronger.🤷🏻‍♂️


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: feldman114]
    #26433204 - 01/14/20 01:41 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Edit: Lemon helps leach the actives out.

Haha footpath. Yeah straight lemon tea isnt the same anymore.


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Edited by The Mycologist (01/15/20 09:48 AM)


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26433261 - 01/14/20 02:01 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

The Mycologist said:
The lemon turns the psilocybin into psilocin. Rather than waiting on your body to do it.

Haha footpath. Yeah straight lemon tea isnt the same anymore.




Oh ok, the faster come up prolly tricked me.
But I also read that psilocybin will degrade quickly in water, while psilocin stays viable. Can’t find the thread now though


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: feldman114]
    #26433285 - 01/14/20 02:10 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

1. Boil water them turn off stove
2. Add tea bags and wait 5 min
3. Through away tea bags.
4. Crush shrooms in bag and add to tea on stove.
5. Bring to boil and fully boil them for 10 min ( stir often so it doesn’t foam over)
6. Strain into tea pitcher
7. Add water, sugar, honey or whatever us feel like
8. Poor into glasses in equal amounts
9.Drink and Trip balls

Try this you will love it:thumbup:


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: SFS96] * 2
    #26434595 - 01/15/20 09:46 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

No, lemon won't turn psilocybin into psilocin. That's a myth. Acidic water doesn't convert it.

Lemon helps extracting the actives faster, though.

And psilocin is less stable than psilocybin. In solution and in dried mushrooms. Psilocin will degrade quickly, while psilocybin stays petty much intact for quite some time.
Shrooms contain both. While drying the shrooms, some of the psilocin degrades already. That's why fresh shrooms are a bit more potent than dried shrooms.

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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26434609 - 01/15/20 09:54 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

So you’re saying that psilocin degrades in acid, just like it does in water?

Also, I got my psi’s mixed up in my last post lol


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: elunicotomas]
    #26437833 - 01/17/20 04:10 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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elunicotomas said:
And it did nothing.

4) put in each of the cups the mushrooms, and pour the tea from the bottle

5) waited 20 minutes, and we drank the teas they were almost cold (I also eat some of the mushrooms just to feel the taste)





Were the mushrooms whole, broken or dust? Did you strain and only drink the liquid or eat the mushrooms also?

As he others have said - boil don't steep. If you steeped in warm water then strained, especially if the mushrooms were whole, you wouldn't have extracted much.


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: Boarders]
    #26438366 - 01/17/20 11:20 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Boarders said:
Quote:

elunicotomas said:
And it did nothing.

4) put in each of the cups the mushrooms, and pour the tea from the bottle

5) waited 20 minutes, and we drank the teas they were almost cold (I also eat some of the mushrooms just to feel the taste)





Were the mushrooms whole, broken or dust? Did you strain and only drink the liquid or eat the mushrooms also?

As he others have said - boil don't steep. If you steeped in warm water then strained, especially if the mushrooms were whole, you wouldn't have extracted much.




Whole mushrooms and only drank the liquid



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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: elunicotomas]
    #26438372 - 01/17/20 11:23 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Edit: whoops. Didn't realize context.
Yeah, listen to the posts above. You just didn't extract it properly.


Edited by footpath (01/17/20 11:25 AM)


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: footpath]
    #26454654 - 01/27/20 07:11 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

Well, last Saturday I tried grinding the shrooms and soak them in fresh lemon juice, let them sit for 15-20 minutes, then put water to boil with a tea bag, remove the tea bag and put the lemon juice with the shrooms, boil for about 15 minutes, filter the grinded shrooms and drank it.

And it worked :mushroom2: :crazy2: :grin: hell of a trip, but i keep feeling really sick (my gf didn't, she has a tough stomach), I throwed up, and felt nauseas almost the entire trip.... so i'll keep looking for options, maybe I'll buy some ginger caps to eat some before the tea....


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