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Tea tek, what went wrong?
    #26432928 - 01/14/20 10:17 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

Hi there,

Two weeks ago my gf, her brother and me decided to drink some mushroom tea, they've never tried shrooms and the only time I tried them was in a chocolate I made (w 3gr. dried mush.) with a friend and altough it was an amaizing trip I had this nausea all the time and felt realy sick most of the trip. After some googling around this, I decided to make some tea, 3 cups with 3grams of dried mushrooms each.

And it did nothing.


This is exactly what I did.

1) we had a light dinner at around 10pm, it was a perfect summer night

2) boil water

2) put the water with 2 tea bags in a Stanley bottle 

3) went to the beach (5 minutes walk)

4) put in each of the cups the mushrooms, and pour the tea from the bottle

5) waited 20 minutes, and we drank the teas they were almost cold (I also eat some of the mushrooms just to feel the taste)



We waited and in about 15 minutes i started to feel lightheaded so I thought "ok this is going perfect" but that was the only thing I felt, my gf said that she was seeing the stars a bit closer, her brother the same as me. We waited 1 hr and nothing, 30 more minutes and nothing, we had some beers and went back home.

Maybe the fact that this was January 3rd, and on the night of December 31 (3 days earlier) we droped some acid and because of the cross tolerance, but it was just a little, my gf 1/4 tab, her brother and me 1/2 tab.

Maybe the mushrooms are "old"? I harvested them in April, they are stored in a vacuum sealed bag....

A friend told me that the hot tea breaks the psylocibin but I've already googled that and i know it's not the case, but he's convinced on that....

Any ideas?

Thanks!


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: elunicotomas]
    #26432936 - 01/14/20 10:21 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

You forgot the acid.
Add lemon juice next time


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: feldman114]
    #26432976 - 01/14/20 10:56 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

No, it was not the heat.
Look at melting points for each:
Psilocybin 220-228° C or 428+° F
Psilocin 173-176° C or 343+° F
Source https://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_chemistry.shtml

Oxygen is usually the culprit for degradation.
Were they cracker dry before vacuum sealing? When you took them out were they still cracker dry?
Under a year is not "old" IMO
People have been making teas with mushrooms since the beginning of time, it's a tried and true way to extract the actives. I'd try again, don't let this turn you off of teas.

I'd wait 2-3 weeks and dose again.  Acid does have a cross-tolerance with psilocybin so I'm sure that played into it.

Hope this helps!


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: elunicotomas]
    #26432990 - 01/14/20 11:08 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

It sounds like your water had cooled down too much OP before infusing the mushrooms. You need to pour over boiling water then simmer for about 20 minutes then strain it. Even better if you soak the mushrooms first with lemon juice, just enough to soak them all. This will extract more psychoative compounds.

Or you could just have been unlucky.


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: elunicotomas]
    #26433000 - 01/14/20 11:21 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

Yea you missed some steps. Check it out. Works great.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20712738


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26433033 - 01/14/20 12:00 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

Thank you all!

I might try again this weekend :cool:


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: elunicotomas] * 1
    #26433036 - 01/14/20 12:06 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

And make sure to crush your shrooms well. The smaller the chunks, the better.
Whole mushrooms soaked in lukewarm water for 5min won't work, but crushed or ground up mushrooms soaked in boiling (or hot) water for 20min will do the trick. :wink:

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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: Pandemoon] * 1
    #26433045 - 01/14/20 12:09 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

Ime, boiling water is not a mist, but lemon juice is.


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: feldman114]
    #26433047 - 01/14/20 12:14 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

The link I posted includes all of the above. Follow that and you can guarantee maximum yield.


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26433058 - 01/14/20 12:24 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

I haven't added citrus in years. I really don't notice a difference.

Cubes kind of ruined lemon and lime for me for a while there...


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: footpath]
    #26433064 - 01/14/20 12:30 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

Maybe it’s all in my head, but adding lemon seemed to make my teas way stronger.🤷🏻‍♂️


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: feldman114]
    #26433204 - 01/14/20 01:41 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

Edit: Lemon helps leach the actives out.

Haha footpath. Yeah straight lemon tea isnt the same anymore.


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Edited by The Mycologist (01/15/20 09:48 AM)


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26433261 - 01/14/20 02:01 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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The lemon turns the psilocybin into psilocin. Rather than waiting on your body to do it.

Haha footpath. Yeah straight lemon tea isnt the same anymore.




Oh ok, the faster come up prolly tricked me.
But I also read that psilocybin will degrade quickly in water, while psilocin stays viable. Can’t find the thread now though


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: feldman114]
    #26433285 - 01/14/20 02:10 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

1. Boil water them turn off stove
2. Add tea bags and wait 5 min
3. Through away tea bags.
4. Crush shrooms in bag and add to tea on stove.
5. Bring to boil and fully boil them for 10 min ( stir often so it doesn’t foam over)
6. Strain into tea pitcher
7. Add water, sugar, honey or whatever us feel like
8. Poor into glasses in equal amounts
9.Drink and Trip balls

Try this you will love it:thumbup:


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: SFS96] * 2
    #26434595 - 01/15/20 09:46 AM (4 years, 14 days ago)

No, lemon won't turn psilocybin into psilocin. That's a myth. Acidic water doesn't convert it.

Lemon helps extracting the actives faster, though.

And psilocin is less stable than psilocybin. In solution and in dried mushrooms. Psilocin will degrade quickly, while psilocybin stays petty much intact for quite some time.
Shrooms contain both. While drying the shrooms, some of the psilocin degrades already. That's why fresh shrooms are a bit more potent than dried shrooms.

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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26434609 - 01/15/20 09:54 AM (4 years, 14 days ago)

So you’re saying that psilocin degrades in acid, just like it does in water?

Also, I got my psi’s mixed up in my last post lol


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: elunicotomas]
    #26437833 - 01/17/20 04:10 AM (4 years, 12 days ago)

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And it did nothing.

4) put in each of the cups the mushrooms, and pour the tea from the bottle

5) waited 20 minutes, and we drank the teas they were almost cold (I also eat some of the mushrooms just to feel the taste)





Were the mushrooms whole, broken or dust? Did you strain and only drink the liquid or eat the mushrooms also?

As he others have said - boil don't steep. If you steeped in warm water then strained, especially if the mushrooms were whole, you wouldn't have extracted much.


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: Boarders]
    #26438366 - 01/17/20 11:20 AM (4 years, 12 days ago)

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Quote:

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And it did nothing.

4) put in each of the cups the mushrooms, and pour the tea from the bottle

5) waited 20 minutes, and we drank the teas they were almost cold (I also eat some of the mushrooms just to feel the taste)





Were the mushrooms whole, broken or dust? Did you strain and only drink the liquid or eat the mushrooms also?

As he others have said - boil don't steep. If you steeped in warm water then strained, especially if the mushrooms were whole, you wouldn't have extracted much.




Whole mushrooms and only drank the liquid



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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: elunicotomas]
    #26438372 - 01/17/20 11:23 AM (4 years, 12 days ago)

Edit: whoops. Didn't realize context.
Yeah, listen to the posts above. You just didn't extract it properly.


Edited by footpath (01/17/20 11:25 AM)


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: footpath]
    #26454654 - 01/27/20 07:11 AM (4 years, 2 days ago)

Well, last Saturday I tried grinding the shrooms and soak them in fresh lemon juice, let them sit for 15-20 minutes, then put water to boil with a tea bag, remove the tea bag and put the lemon juice with the shrooms, boil for about 15 minutes, filter the grinded shrooms and drank it.

And it worked :mushroom2: :crazy2: :grin: hell of a trip, but i keep feeling really sick (my gf didn't, she has a tough stomach), I throwed up, and felt nauseas almost the entire trip.... so i'll keep looking for options, maybe I'll buy some ginger caps to eat some before the tea....


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: elunicotomas]
    #26454668 - 01/27/20 07:19 AM (4 years, 2 days ago)

I know it's contrary to the normal opinion and the actual chemical mechanism, but try it without the lemon.
I found that, after a while, I got really sick of having lemonshroom taste prevailing through my trips and it would induce somewhat of a nausea.

Also, fresh ginger is way better. I like juicing it best, but slicing/crushing and adding it to the boil is also really nice - just strain it out with the mushrooms.


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: elunicotomas]
    #26454674 - 01/27/20 07:24 AM (4 years, 2 days ago)

Are you filtering out the mushroom chunks? For me nausua is from eating the mushrooms, also mushroom gut / poops are a thing even with tea.

Ive made cold water tea many times and i can tell you 100% the water dosent have to be hot but it does help leach the goods out faster.

Ill put my shrooms and water in a plastic water bottle and shake it up good every 60 minutes or so through out the day and those have been some of my strongest trips.

Recently ive been using swiss miss hot coco packs in my tea and its fucking game changing. Cant taste the shrooms at all and goes down super smooth.


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: Sofaking420]
    #26454679 - 01/27/20 07:28 AM (4 years, 2 days ago)

use them all. i use lemon honey and ginger. taste way better all together and 0 nausea chunks n all.

The only thing I've tried and really hated is the peppermint which is supposed to do a chemical conversion for you i believe. i find those trips much shorter and less pleasurable even a level of confusion..?.


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: elunicotomas]
    #26454682 - 01/27/20 07:30 AM (4 years, 2 days ago)

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Well, last Saturday I tried grinding the shrooms and soak them in fresh lemon juice, let them sit for 15-20 minutes, then put water to boil with a tea bag, remove the tea bag and put the lemon juice with the shrooms, boil for about 15 minutes, filter the grinded shrooms and drank it.

And it worked :mushroom2: :crazy2: :grin: hell of a trip, but i keep feeling really sick (my gf didn't, she has a tough stomach), I throwed up, and felt nauseas almost the entire trip.... so i'll keep looking for options, maybe I'll buy some ginger caps to eat some before the tea....



Or make your tea from ginger tea!


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: Sofaking420]
    #26454688 - 01/27/20 07:36 AM (4 years, 2 days ago)

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I know it's contrary to the normal opinion and the actual chemical mechanism, but try it without the lemon.
I found that, after a while, I got really sick of having lemonshroom taste prevailing through my trips and it would induce somewhat of a nausea.

Also, fresh ginger is way better. I like juicing it best, but slicing/crushing and adding it to the boil is also really nice - just strain it out with the mushrooms.




I'll try with fresh ginger! and no lemon...

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Are you filtering out the mushroom chunks? For me nausua is from eating the mushrooms, also mushroom gut / poops are a thing even with tea.

Ive made cold water tea many times and i can tell you 100% the water dosent have to be hot but it does help leach the goods out faster.

Ill put my shrooms and water in a plastic water bottle and shake it up good every 60 minutes or so through out the day and those have been some of my strongest trips.

Recently ive been using swiss miss hot coco packs in my tea and its fucking game changing. Cant taste the shrooms at all and goes down super smooth.




Yes, I used a paper coffee filter to filter the lemon powder :frown:


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    #26454698 - 01/27/20 07:42 AM (4 years, 2 days ago)

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Or make your tea from ginger tea!




I'll try this next time! I even hav fresh ginger in my fridge


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: elunicotomas]
    #26454708 - 01/27/20 07:51 AM (4 years, 2 days ago)

What are you using for a filter?
Gotta go with a coffee filter if you’re gonna squeeze the soaked shrooms after you strain. Otherwise bits of mush are getting in, which is what makes you nauseous.


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: feldman114]
    #26454776 - 01/27/20 08:53 AM (4 years, 2 days ago)

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What are you using for a filter?
Gotta go with a coffee filter if you’re gonna squeeze the soaked shrooms after you strain. Otherwise bits of mush are getting in, which is what makes you nauseous.




I used a coffee filter, filtered about half of the tea and the filter broke (paper filter), so for the other half of the preparation I used a cuple of fine stainers, and let the "no filtered" half of the tea sit till the remaining powdered mushrooms went to the bottom, and drank it with a straw from the top avoiding to drink from the bottom of the glass.

So we might drank a bit of shrooms but I don't think it was even enough to consider it the cause of the nausea


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: elunicotomas]
    #26454801 - 01/27/20 09:08 AM (4 years, 2 days ago)

Yeah I usually put the filter in a strainer, then pour. You can also always double-up for extra support.

Just let the liquid drip through on its own. I noticed the taste is much better this way too.


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: elunicotomas]
    #26454943 - 01/27/20 10:47 AM (4 years, 2 days ago)

I always use a dishcloth, so I can really squeeze the mushrooms dry after boiling. Last two teas though have been made from cracker dry mushrooms; the y broke more or less into powder with little effort. I got stomach ache from this tea, when in the previous few years making tea from air-dried mushrooms, no nausea or stomach ache ever.....I reckon quite a lot of the powder must have got through the cloth.


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: DJ Ed] * 1
    #26455064 - 01/27/20 12:20 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

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I always use a dishcloth, so I can really squeeze the mushrooms dry after boiling. Last two teas though have been made from cracker dry mushrooms; the y broke more or less into powder with little effort. I got stomach ache from this tea, when in the previous few years making tea from air-dried mushrooms, no nausea or stomach ache ever.....I reckon quite a lot of the powder must have got through the cloth.




Exactly why I go with coffee filters. They don’t even let much spores through (only noticed this cause the water comes out super clean, whereas when I used a paper towel it was almost gray.)

Honestly, I haven’t noticed a difference since I stopped squeezing those last drops out. First time I did it to try and backpedal on the 5g PE dose in my cup lol...whatanight, anyway...now that I know it doesn’t matter, I just pick the filter up, let it drip over the cup for 5 seconds and toss.


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    #26455288 - 01/27/20 02:09 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

Yeah, think I’ve eventually got it. You see, when I started back with mushrooms 4 years ago, I used coffee filters. But they always tore, so I resorted to a dishcloth (back in the day, we used to use my ex’s tights!). So I think next tea will be strained; funnel, coffee filter, then dishcloth. When strained through, squeeze the mushroom pulp with the dishcloth through the coffee filter 👍🏻


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Re: Tea tek, what went wrong? [Re: DJ Ed] * 1
    #26455355 - 01/27/20 02:40 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

Oh shit, that’s a way better idea! squeeze into the filter. Gonna try this next weekend :toast:


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