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Mr_enforcer1
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Seizures
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So a few years ago maybe 4 or 5 I was tripping on LSD and had a Gand Mal Seizure. It was a pretty high does and the last thing I remembered was spinning in a computer chair before waking up in an ambulance. I remember screaming at the cops and paramedics “I will kill you” as they tried to restrain me. I remember one small detail during the black out, it felt like I was dying and I had to try everything I could to escape it. By time I got to the hospital I was coming down (15 mins later) and eventually passed out and slept for 36 hours. The doctors were telling me I had a grand mal seizures and they wanted to put me on dialysis because the muscle contractions were so violent that they deteriorated and the muscle waste was going into my kidneys. I said fuck that and signed myself out. I have tripped on mushrooms one time since then, about 3 years ago, and i was fine. I been wanting to take some recently but I can’t get the thought of having another seizure out of my head. It was pretty fucking scary. Anybody got any advice for me? Any precautions to take or ways to prevent another nightmare?
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Stay away from man made psychs if you have experienced seizures\have a low seizure threshold. Keep it natural to flowers and mushrooms. Micro -dose (.1-.2) mushrooms for productive dosing and cannabis before bed have helped me tremendously with epilepsy. I'll only take a trip with mushrooms now when it's time. Never had a seizure or any symptoms on either; however man made psychs have put me very close to having one more than once where I had to take a half of a bar of my emergency alprazolam script to come down but I left those behind many years ago. If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right.
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There seems to be a recurring theme on here regarding problems with psychedelics; that is, the man-made ones can lead to various health issues, including seizures and HPPD. Don’t seem to at the same level, if any at all, from mushrooms.
Take care, DJ Ed
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Mr_enforcer1 said: So a few years ago maybe 4 or 5 I was tripping on LSD and had a Gand Mal Seizure. It was a pretty high does and the last thing I remembered was spinning in a computer chair before waking up in an ambulance.
Who called the ambulance?...I'm assuming you were tripping with other people?
Are you absolutely positive what you took was LSD and not something like 25i-nbome?
25i is notorious for causing seizures, a few years ago back when 25i was more widespread lots of people were having seizures from that crap...LSD not so much, (one shroomery member who has epilepsy actually experiences less seizures after taking LSD).
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...I been wanting to take some recently but I can’t get the thought of having another seizure out of my head. It was pretty fucking scary. Anybody got any advice for me? Any precautions to take or ways to prevent another nightmare?

Are you diagnosed with epilepsy or was that the only time you had a seizure?
I don't really have any real advice for you....But just thought I'd mention that there is a shroomery member that has epilepsy and they still trip & work with psychedelics pretty regularly with full doses and they DO NOT experience any seizures...the contrary actually as it seems to help lessen the occurrence of seizures for them, they experience a decrease in seizures and their normal "triggers" do not trigger seizures while they are on a psychedelics and the days after.
They find that LSD basically acts like an anticonvulsant or antiepileptic drug for them.
Here are some quotes from them on the subject>>>
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Lophophora said: Ok so last night I was informed by my wife (a behavioural neuroscientist) that she is working with a prominent behavioural scientist with an extensive and respected background in psychology (not naming for obvious reasons, he's American) to write a case study on my use of LSD as an anticonvulsant or antiepileptic drug (AED). He has a friend in MAPS that they are submitting it to.
Moreover, it could help to identify the actual factors triggering the seizures and redirect the electricity or such just my thoughts on this one.
This accidental discovery came when I decided to begin tripping again after developing epilepsy as a result of brain damage, having upwards of 200 seizures a day. I take two standard AEDs (phenytoin sodium and oxcarbazapine) and cannabis which I responded to reasonably well but was still having nearly 100 seizures a week, after taking the acid I had no seizures for an entire week and dosing 10mcg via ethanolic tincture has served to cut clusters and even end active seizures within 10 minutes. I generally have seizures starting as focal which move into complex partials (look sort of psychotic and extremely violent) and ultimately unstopped ending in generalized (tonic-clonic and drop).
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Lophophora said: I am an epileptic psychonaut, that is I continue to explore my consciousness via the use of psychedelic compounds and meditation.....
,....Now I know this will sound irresponsible but I never stopped my psychedelic use, I saw no reason to stop as this has been the most difficult period of my life to date I frequently felt like I've been hit by a train, crippled by depression and a period of agoraphobia (fear of a seizure in public in my case), and having absolutely no short term memory for nearly a year. I have the seizures mostly controlled via diet, two meds (phenytoin 5x daily and phenobarb as a rescue), cannabis and LSD.....
That's right, I use microdoses of LSD as an AED. If I start having breakthrough seizures I will drop 10ug and 80% of the time it will stop the seizures from clustering while still allowing me to be functional which phenobarb will not. Not entirely sure what action of LSD does this but it's been a surprisingly reliable discovery for myself without having to resort to sleeping for the next 6+ hours.
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Lophophora said: ....I can drop acid and subject myself to things that consistently trigger my seizures and I'll be completely seizure free, like I won't even have any auras or anything for the entire duration of the trip so something is happening.
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Lophophora said: In my case I noticed total relief from seizures during lysergamide trips so I tried microdosing, and had slightly reduced seizures but not significant however if I'm taking over 50mcg I'll have absolutely none and yeah my wife has spoken to a scientist at MAPS about this and we're currently doing a case study maybe there can be some lysergamide derived anticonvulsant that builds less tolerance and doesn't impair functioning (at least any more than standard AEDs) with fewer side effects.
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The 25i’s are such shit psychs too man... such a “dirty” feeling trip, battery acid aftertaste, constant sweating/feeling cold... I remember ordering 100 blotters for like $20, thinking I hit the phychadelic jackpot, then tossing 98 of them after 1 trip lol.
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Re: Seizures [Re: DJ Ed]
#26431640 - 01/13/20 03:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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DJ Ed said: There seems to be a recurring theme on here regarding problems with psychedelics; that is, the man-made ones can lead to various health issues, including seizures and HPPD. Don’t seem to at the same level, if any at all, from mushrooms.
Take care, DJ Ed
Yeah, this seems to track with drug data which almost always list shrooms as the safest recreational drug, with LSD usually coming in second. You still have to remember though that LSD is safer than weed, caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, and a bunch of other socially acceptable drugs.
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Absolutely, KJ.
I’d recommend to all to read David Nutt:,Drugs Without The Hot Air.
Take care, DJ Ed
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openmind said:
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Mr_enforcer1 said: So a few years ago maybe 4 or 5 I was tripping on LSD and had a Gand Mal Seizure. It was a pretty high does and the last thing I remembered was spinning in a computer chair before waking up in an ambulance.
Who called the ambulance?...I'm assuming you were tripping with other people?
Are you absolutely positive what you took was LSD and not something like 25i-nbome?
25i is notorious for causing seizures, a few years ago back when 25i was more widespread lots of people were having seizures from that crap...LSD not so much, (one shroomery member who has epilepsy actually experiences less seizures after taking LSD).
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...I been wanting to take some recently but I can’t get the thought of having another seizure out of my head. It was pretty fucking scary. Anybody got any advice for me? Any precautions to take or ways to prevent another nightmare?

Are you diagnosed with epilepsy or was that the only time you had a seizure?
I don't really have any real advice for you....But just thought I'd mention that there is a shroomery member that has epilepsy and they still trip & work with psychedelics pretty regularly with full doses and they DO NOT experience any seizures...the contrary actually as it seems to help lessen the occurrence of seizures for them, they experience a decrease in seizures and their normal "triggers" do not trigger seizures while they are on a psychedelics and the days after.
They find that LSD basically acts like an anticonvulsant or antiepileptic drug for them.
Here are some quotes from them on the subject>>>
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Lophophora said: Ok so last night I was informed by my wife (a behavioural neuroscientist) that she is working with a prominent behavioural scientist with an extensive and respected background in psychology (not naming for obvious reasons, he's American) to write a case study on my use of LSD as an anticonvulsant or antiepileptic drug (AED). He has a friend in MAPS that they are submitting it to.
Moreover, it could help to identify the actual factors triggering the seizures and redirect the electricity or such just my thoughts on this one.
This accidental discovery came when I decided to begin tripping again after developing epilepsy as a result of brain damage, having upwards of 200 seizures a day. I take two standard AEDs (phenytoin sodium and oxcarbazapine) and cannabis which I responded to reasonably well but was still having nearly 100 seizures a week, after taking the acid I had no seizures for an entire week and dosing 10mcg via ethanolic tincture has served to cut clusters and even end active seizures within 10 minutes. I generally have seizures starting as focal which move into complex partials (look sort of psychotic and extremely violent) and ultimately unstopped ending in generalized (tonic-clonic and drop).
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Lophophora said: I am an epileptic psychonaut, that is I continue to explore my consciousness via the use of psychedelic compounds and meditation.....
,....Now I know this will sound irresponsible but I never stopped my psychedelic use, I saw no reason to stop as this has been the most difficult period of my life to date I frequently felt like I've been hit by a train, crippled by depression and a period of agoraphobia (fear of a seizure in public in my case), and having absolutely no short term memory for nearly a year. I have the seizures mostly controlled via diet, two meds (phenytoin 5x daily and phenobarb as a rescue), cannabis and LSD.....
That's right, I use microdoses of LSD as an AED. If I start having breakthrough seizures I will drop 10ug and 80% of the time it will stop the seizures from clustering while still allowing me to be functional which phenobarb will not. Not entirely sure what action of LSD does this but it's been a surprisingly reliable discovery for myself without having to resort to sleeping for the next 6+ hours.
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Lophophora said: ....I can drop acid and subject myself to things that consistently trigger my seizures and I'll be completely seizure free, like I won't even have any auras or anything for the entire duration of the trip so something is happening.
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Lophophora said: In my case I noticed total relief from seizures during lysergamide trips so I tried microdosing, and had slightly reduced seizures but not significant however if I'm taking over 50mcg I'll have absolutely none and yeah my wife has spoken to a scientist at MAPS about this and we're currently doing a case study maybe there can be some lysergamide derived anticonvulsant that builds less tolerance and doesn't impair functioning (at least any more than standard AEDs) with fewer side effects.
-OM
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Thanks for the help. I have no idea what it was I took, no way to really know for sure. They were given to me as ‘Gel Tabs’ LSD I was taking them for about 2 weeks straight. the 2 days prior I was doing 10 strips and then the day of the seizure I ate about 20-24 of them. They looked like plastic/gel pyramids here’s a pic.

Does anybody have any experience with these? I’ve heard 25i makes people experience ‘color explosions’ but I never had any of those and I’m pretty sure this was tasteless. I remember not being able to see my own hand in front of my face, I completely lost all vision.
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Well, if you're doing a quarter sheet of unknown potency gel tabs then I'd say just about anything could go down.
If it was nBOME, you probably would've died or something. The standard warning for nBOME is that two hits could kill you because of how high they tend to dose individual hits. 24 is uncharted territory.
Lots of stories out there of people ending up in the hospital because they're tripping too hard and think they're going to die because of the drug they took. I don't know a lot about seizures, but I do know that there are plenty of people out there that have had some horrible high dose trips that have gotten back into taking psychedelics just fine. I would be careful, though.
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Interesting actually, I'm currently the subject of a case study that's been submitted to MAPS on the ability of LSD and 1P-LSD to control seizures, I've never seized on a psych other than LSA and that was due to a total blood sugar crash but I have used both LSD and 1P-LSD to bust clusters that failed to respond to benzos...that said I still keep a bottle of sublingual lorazepam in my pocket at all times and in absolute worst case have a bottle of IV/IM formulation diazepam meant for my epileptic cat. Honestly I've identified what made tryptamines so terrifying to me was that they feel so much like an aura but taking increasing doses of shrooms on LSD has helped me identify the subtle differences between uncontrolled firing vs drug causing controlled firing. The concept of LSD-25 and mescaline was initially noted in the 60's I believe but would have to refind the papers but it was dropped without further research and classical psychs aren't known to trigger seizures, so it's very likely you had a psychedelic amphetamine because your reaction to the first responders sounds a lot like my postictal psychosis when I've clustered for prolonged periods or gone generalized.
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Part of my research with the LSD and its anticonvulsant effects on myself have been to take doses ranging from 10-250mcg and subject myself to triggers for prolonged periods. My early observations of microdosing working is that it only controls generalized seizures, not focal seizures however 50+ and I'm completely golden even if my threshold is lowered due to seizures leading up to dosing, might be really uncomfortable but uncomfortable is better than dead. Also should note that I take a daily regime of antiepileptic medications so I'm not relying purely on LSD.
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So after some more research on what happened, I believe I had suffered from excited delirium. I watched a video of a man going through it and it gave me some horrible flashbacks, pretty much exactly what I was going through. Has anyone had an experience with this? Is having one make me more susceptible to having another?
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