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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: mu5h13] * 1
    #26429609 - 01/12/20 12:27 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Unfortunately, in the tripping community, a lot of people seem to repeat this half-truth that psychedelics don't cause psychosis, just can bring it out if you're "predisposed to it". Only problem is technically, we're all "predisposed to it". We're all human after all...




Psychedelics don't cause psychosis (see Nature:No link found between psychedelics and psychosis 04 March 2015).

Pure speculation on my part is that the intense emotional amplification that can be experienced with psychedelics in large doses is your "trigger" mechanism.  The breaking down of understood reality experienced via the executive function of the brain can be terrifying for some people, particularly the inexperienced.  Hence a single heavy trip can really mess some people up, to put it colloquially.  That however all goes to set and setting and this has been well understood since sometime in the 1950's in western cultures.  :shrug:



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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26429625 - 01/12/20 12:41 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, we're saying the same thing it seems.

Psychosis generally occurs when someone experiences something which so completely goes against their schemas for processing the world, and the resultant mis-match causes something to snap.

That may be the sudden death of a loved one, it may be an unforseen redundancy at work or it may be taking 2000ug of LSD.

My gripe is with the fact that some people naively believe that "only those with a predisposition to psychosis" can get it from psychedelics. And who therefore think that they can jump to taking a heroic dose of a substance as long as they have a good set and setting. My issue comes from people taking on board a half-truth and using it to justify decisions which, to anyone more experienced with these chemicals, would be classed as outright reckless.

I've known quite a few people who've made this kind of mistake, myself included, and so I'd really like to prevent other people from jumping off that bridge


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: mu5h13]
    #26430107 - 01/12/20 06:02 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I like to tripp every two weeks because of tollercne.  If i could id tripp every week like i did last summer. I definitely recommend taking a tollercne break or tripping can lose its magic.

I haven't noticed any long term effects from tripping an iv done alot of tripping in my day.  The omly thing i noticed is appreciate life more an i dont take things for granted.


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: mu5h13]
    #26430383 - 01/12/20 09:47 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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And who therefore think that they can jump to taking a heroic dose of a substance as long as they have a good set and setting.




:snoopyes:

Agree it's the jump without prep that does them in.


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26431034 - 01/13/20 10:48 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

if I trip more than once per week my wife gets mad


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26431191 - 01/13/20 12:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Little update..

So I waited 7 days as planned, but my trip - which was supposed to be a controlled experiment-type-deal - got real messy.
My scale broke so I eye-balled 3.5g of PE blobs and...we’ll, turns out my eye balls are not very accurate. Of maybe 15-20 high-doze trips I’ve had, this was definitely in the top 3 most intense ones.
I suspect it was about 5g.

It was one of those therapy-on-steroids trips. The experience caught me by surprise, since my previous 3 trips were pure fun, laughter and mind-blowers. Anyway, I was all tears and snot by the time I started coming down. Lots of self-reflections, surreal memories and revelations about my personal life, spiritual growth, etc.

At one point a realization came over me. I realized that if I had never crossed the 5g line before (on less potent boomers) I would not be able to hold my shit together. Everything from the visuals to the body load and emotional sharpness was ALMOST overwhelmingly real. Only reason I didn’t panic is cause I’ve been down this road before.
So, for anyone reading this cause they have similar questions - please remember to up your dosage slowly.


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: feldman114] * 1
    #26431310 - 01/13/20 01:08 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Well said feldman

I like how even though you took more than you meant to and things got "messy, snotty" etc, you didn't describe it as a "bad trip".  Sounds like you got some good out of it even if it was more than you were shooting for.

I think some people equate a bad trip with any trip that doesn't have you laughing your ass off all night

Good job reminding everyone to raise the dosage slowly


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: feldman114]
    #26431462 - 01/13/20 02:24 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

A big thumbs up for that, fella 👍🏻

I haven’t done 5g for over a year now, but every time I have, they have been intense. Literally no control. I would absolutely second your advice, up your dose slowly people; 1g to 2g does not equal double strength trip. 2.5g to 5g does not equal double strength trip. 5g to 10g does not equal double strength trip. No, they equal fucking exponentially stronger trips.

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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #26432494 - 01/14/20 02:09 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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The advice here is terrible. You should not trip more than once a month.




Nobody is suggesting to OP that he should trip as often as he can.




Right but he said trip without repercussions, every 2 weeks for two years will have repercussions. You can do it sure, you could do it every two weeks for a while. But 'you probably will be okay" is not a "you will be okay for sure".

If my 18 year old old kid told me they were tripping twice a month I would be concerned. Do I care some stranger online is potentially going to be fucked? Not really, but I try to give out advice as if it were my kid. I overdid it myself, fuck the magic I can take 500 mics now and barely feel it, I wish someone had told me to go easy. There is a long term tolerance that can develop that you never hear about, and telling someone to trip twice a year means they will never encounter it. You never that side of it here, ever.

Even in this this thread someone said they did 30 grams dry? That's insane. This place should be harm reduction first and dick sizing about how much you did way less. That's why we aren't bluelight though.


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: viraldrome]
    #26432642 - 01/14/20 06:37 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Do I care some stranger online is potentially going to be fucked? Not really...

I overdid it myself, fuck the magic I can take 500 mics now and barely feel it...

This place should be harm reduction first and dick sizing about how much you did way less..





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viraldrome said:Even in this this thread someone said they did 30 grams dry? That's insane.



Context man, Context.


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: BabylonRuleDem] * 1
    #26432734 - 01/14/20 08:13 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Here's the thing.  You won't necessarily know (you probably won't) when you've started to "lose it" a little bit. 

Also, without realizing it, you most likely build up more tolerance over time and more likelihood of negative effects.  I know I might get flamed for throwing this out there without substantiating it AT ALL but that's honestly just a personal opinion, take it or leave it.

Schizophrenia is very real.  I've suffered from symptoms within that "realm" of mental disorders/diseases and that is a perfect term for it: "mental disorder" or "mental disease" because it certainly had me in a state that was disorderly mentally speaking and it felt like I had some kind of sickness (you know how you just have to sit there in the pain and discomfort waiting out the sickness to go away?)....

....except it took a VERY long time to go away and to this day it can still pop up and bug me.  I was stubborn and even with all my stubbornness I almost caved in so many times and went for the medication to get rid of the "sickness"....but I guess I just knew it was gonna go away eventually and I shouldn't mess with that...

......it's weird, like I knew even if it NEVER went away that I needed to be absolutely SURE that it wouldn't go away on its own before I took medication for it.  I wanted the medication to stop the pain and discomfort of what I was dealing with....disorderly conduct of the brain, constantly, every moment, even in the dream world, and to the point of pure mental anguish.  I'm of the opinion that if there are actually people or things out there causing the mental anguish of the type I went through that I would KILL them in self-defense...to get them to stop.

Everyone told me to take medication, pretty much EVERYONE.  But...yea, here I am, just fine...if not set behind in many ways....still stronger than I've ever been and completely focused on what matters to my heart.   

I would call it something akin to a perma-trip that I'm finally coming down from....because I figured out what I needed to figure out.  I'm not saying that it was the right way to go about things though, to get to where I'm going...there were better ways.

You can't just trip with "no repercussions" - there is no such action in the universe, let alone TRIPPING.  lol.

The question/answer is not can I just trip without possibly losing something because of it...


...the question/answer is: I'm losing everything anyways, right now, as we speak, my health, my wealth, everyone and everything I know and care about, it is ALL being lost RIGHT NOW as we speak because it is all PASSING.  So what do I even care about in this situation!!????!!


It's a cycle.  That's what the shamans, monks, guru's, and trippers could see.  It's a cycle.  It doesn't really ever go away and it's never really there.  It's a dance, it's all one thing, and it's all right in front of our eyes.

Care less about what happens to the body and open the eyes to what the body is telling you, not what you've been taught by the society to care about or to worry about, but what is going on right now and for the rest of this life on the INSIDE.  It's ALIVE (I know, spooky).  You probably want something different, something more important than what you can even FEEL consciously.  You probably want something so BIG that you've been WILLING to risk your mind and body to find what it is!!!!!

Not even out of selfishness totally at all....out of some kind of deep connection to things that a lot of other people seem to not really get to talk about with you very often....ever. 

The trip can bring you right into what you really want deep down but then........


...........it's like you don't even know what it is because your so CLOSE to it now because you've been seeing it and being it but you haven't been able to know it well enough because it DANCES away from you every time you come back into contact with it, in or out of trip mode....

...that's because life is a dance...and you can't just trip around every year at that dance or you are definitely going to miss out on the some of the more elaborate and amazing ways that the dance is flowing as one beautiful, vibing, bright, and glorious whole. 

So don't miss out...the shrooms gave you lots of messages.  Think more, act more, talk more, wait more, live more, be more, give more, and find what you're are actually, vehemently searching for and being guided towards.


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: viraldrome]
    #26433243 - 01/14/20 01:55 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Right but he said trip without repercussions, every 2 weeks for two years will have repercussions.




Depends on the person.  Blanket statements don't make it so.  :shrug:

If you say "effects" instead of "repercussions" it's more accurate.  And not everybody wants those "effects".  :laugh2:

Yes, if you trip quite regularly you will change.  But this is where the great divide is - those who fear the changes and those who are deliberately looking for it. :snoopyes:


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: PrimalSoup] * 2
    #26433280 - 01/14/20 02:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Let's see... in the last few years since I started using mushrooms regularly(multiple times a week/month) ive...

Kicked a lethal drinking habit.
Supported my mother while she died and help her cope.
Dropped 40lbs and currently in the best shape of my life.
Reconnected with my wife and fixed my marriage.
Become mod/tc on shroomery.
Changed careers/making more dough.
Grew a back bone.
Found my confidence.
Became closer aligned with my true self.
List goes on..



What horrible effects:shake:


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: mushboy]
    #26433295 - 01/14/20 02:14 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Let's see... in the last few years since I started using mushrooms regularly(multiple times a week/month) ive...

Kicked a lethal drinking habit.
Supported my mother while she died and help her cope.
Dropped 40lbs and currently in the best shape of my life.
Reconnected with my wife and fixed my marriage.
Become mod/admin on shroomery.
Changed careers/making more dough.
Grew a back bone.
Found my confidence.
Became closer aligned with my true self.
List goes on..



What horrible effects:shake:




:derdance:
Fuckin A bud.
Hoping to get at least a couple of those results. But almost forgetting about my severe anxiety is enough reason to keep tripping anyway.

What’s your take on tolerance and losing the “magic”? How long do you wait between trips nowadays?


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: mushboy]
    #26433304 - 01/14/20 02:17 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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mushboy said:
Let's see... in the last few years since I started using mushrooms regularly(multiple times a week/month) ive...

Kicked a lethal drinking habit.
Supported my mother while she died and help her cope.
Dropped 40lbs and currently in the best shape of my life.
Reconnected with my wife and fixed my marriage.
Become mod/admin on shroomery.
Changed careers/making more dough.
Grew a back bone.
Found my confidence.
Became closer aligned with my true self.
List goes on..



What horrible effects:shake:




Yeah man, that really sucks for you. :okthatsfunny:

That's what I mean, "effects" are not the same as "repercussions".


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: feldman114]
    #26433310 - 01/14/20 02:19 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

When I'd dose 1-2g ape daily it seemed every 3rd or 4th dose would kick my ass.

Sometimes Id go a week (dosing daily) without much effects and then a random dose would fuck me hard. Like day 5 or 6.

For me tolerance rises and lowers like the tides:shrug:


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: feldman114] * 1
    #26435235 - 01/15/20 04:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Why would you want to trip as much as possible? I find trips are much more insightful/novel if I leave more time between them.

That being said, everyone is different and reacts to psychedelics differently. You have to listen to your body and find out what works for you. From what I've read though, it normally takes about a week for your tolerance to reset.


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: dk-1] * 1
    #26435295 - 01/15/20 04:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Come over to the dark side.  :deathstar:


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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26436522 - 01/16/20 10:14 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

:notreadyforthis:  :like:


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    #26437092 - 01/16/20 04:11 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

And experience the light... :snoopyes:


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