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Trichocereus Scopulicola mescaline extraction result * 1
    #26430738 - 01/13/20 06:37 AM (4 years, 16 days ago)

I'm new here, and just posting this because there is not much info about T. Scopulicola and I happened to get cuttings from an old stand planted over 20 years ago. I've only read of one report that says it was tested to have 0.82% mescaline. So I went to work with 2 teks, kash's A/B tek and an old mycoptopia tek. Suffice to say the kash tek is fiddly, uses heaps of unnessary heating, and produced a result nearly half as much as the older tek.
---kash tek. 100g dried and powdered outer skin. from very fat scopulicola.Very strong first pull. Stopped after 2 pulls as 2nd pull only 0.05g, and also because was following tek advice.
RESULT 0.482g
---mycoptopia tek. Same amount of dried and powdered outer skin cactus. Smaller first pull than kask tek, but 7 pulls after pulled consistent in deteriorating until only 0.004g last pull.
RESULT 0.902g
(I skipped the freezing stage, as I had a syringe to pull hcl water layer).

--both results are mescaline hcl, with 2 cold acetone washes. Light brown colour (full spectrum alkoloids). Not bothering to cleanup re-x for white pure mescaline hcl.

Just putting this out there for anyone interested in T. Scopulicola.


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Re: Trichocereus Scopulicola mescaline extraction result [Re: kerosene]
    #26430777 - 01/13/20 07:25 AM (4 years, 16 days ago)

Just ordered some scopulicola seed crosses (scop 'hulk' x pach 'yowie' and 'super pedro' x scop) not even an hour ago:lol:

then this pops up, awesome synchronicity:awethumb:

Although .9% from dried outer skin seems kinda low for how highly scops are talked up. So i have a few questions for ya:
What season is it where your at?
When was the cutting taken?
Did you extract immediately after cutting it?
Did you use mid cuts(older growth) or tip cuts?


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Re: Trichocereus Scopulicola mescaline extraction result [Re: BabylonRuleDem] * 1
    #26430994 - 01/13/20 10:17 AM (4 years, 16 days ago)

What???  .9% is amazing, especially for a tricho not traditionally used. No one can speculate on your seed grown stuff, nor hybrids.. Do an extraction of your weird scop hybrid in 15 years when the stems are getting over 15cm diameter and then we can compare notes. I had up to 22 cm stems diameter at base for this test.


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Re: Trichocereus Scopulicola mescaline extraction result [Re: kerosene]
    #26431007 - 01/13/20 10:26 AM (4 years, 16 days ago)

Welcome to the Shroomery kerosene-- and thank you very much for your efforts-- I'm growing many types of scop right now, and I'm happy to see you have confirmed that they are reliably good producers.

I wonder if you have any expectation of "darking" a cut before drying and extracting, as it appears that there's strong anecdotal evidence that letting a cut sit in the dark for weeks/months can increase yields because of some reaction to the plant in extended darkness.

This is what is said to have contributed to the Ogunbodede cut of Keeper Trout fame (as it was lost in the mail for a year before being processed)


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Re: Trichocereus Scopulicola mescaline extraction result [Re: kerosene]
    #26431012 - 01/13/20 10:29 AM (4 years, 16 days ago)

Whoa you took that the wrong way bud.
.9% is very decent, absolutely would not be disappointed with that.
However there are scattered report on this site and others that seem to put scopulicola up there with the best pachanoi and bridgesii which can get up to 2-5% using the outer skin.
No reason to get all defensive over a few simple questions, jesus:huxleyfacepalm:


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Re: Trichocereus Scopulicola mescaline extraction result [Re: coAsTal]
    #26431015 - 01/13/20 10:36 AM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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coAsTal said:
I wonder if you have any expectation of "darking" a cut before drying and extracting, as it appears that there's strong anecdotal evidence that letting a cut sit in the dark for weeks/months can increase yields because of some reaction to the plant in extended darkness.

This is what is said to have contributed to the Ogunbodede cut of Keeper Trout fame (as it was lost in the mail for a year before being processed)




Thank you costal, that is exactly what i was getting at. Would be neat to see how far a scop can go.

Guess ill just have to wait for my "weird ass hybrids" to grow out:rofl:


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Re: Trichocereus Scopulicola mescaline extraction result [Re: BabylonRuleDem]
    #26431016 - 01/13/20 10:36 AM (4 years, 16 days ago)

BabylonRuleDem--

I've not seen a lot of reports that Scops are especially "strong"-- certainly not as strong as some Pach and Bridges can be.
Most reports (which drives my personal interest in them) indicate that they are a remarkably reliable and consistent alk holder-- that while they may not have the lottery jackpot of alk content like a Matucana Pachanoi could, or the powerhouse alk profile certain Bridge lines seem to have, they will always produce a good, solid experience time after time.

I hope there's no more offense taken in this thread, as I don't wish to see it get derailed with emotional misunderstandings-- this is one of my favorite topics so cheers to both of you
:cheers:
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**edit-- I have an interest in some of the Scop/Bridge and Scop/Pach hybrids too-- I think there's some magic in there to be found by mixing some Scop into other lines... I have a LOT of seedlines waiting for planting as we speak :aweyeah:


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Re: Trichocereus Scopulicola mescaline extraction result [Re: coAsTal] * 1
    #26431022 - 01/13/20 10:41 AM (4 years, 16 days ago)

:lookslucrative: Indeed, so many possibilities


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Re: Trichocereus Scopulicola mescaline extraction result [Re: BabylonRuleDem] * 1
    #26431208 - 01/13/20 12:22 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

1% is not bad. It's not much, but not too little either. It's pretty much an average ammount.

I wonder how much mescaline is in there. Not sure if mesc is the main alkaloid in scops.
As it's a full spectrum extract it could be that the mescaline ratio is very small.
But if it's mainly mescaline (like 80 to 90%) then the result is pretty good.



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Re: Trichocereus Scopulicola mescaline extraction result [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26431713 - 01/13/20 04:17 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

What's the "typical" percentage in Peyote if there is such a statistic?  I have a half-dozen or so dried buttons in a jar in my safe.  I remember when I tried the first half dozen (they're small).  Chewed 'em up - ate them dry.  Trippy, but I evil puked like never before.  :evilpuke:

Hey CoAsTal:  That T. Peruvians I brought back from Cusco has grown over 1.5cm and is getting FAT!!!  I should put a picture up of it now compared to when I brought it stateside as cutting!  :lol:  Such a pretty thing.  Got it under a bank of 6 grow lights.

I just looked up Trichocereus Scopulicola.  Damned nice looking plants.


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Re: Trichocereus Scopulicola mescaline extraction result [Re: Nature Boy]
    #26431733 - 01/13/20 04:35 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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What's the "typical" percentage in Peyote if there is such a statistic?



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Re: Trichocereus Scopulicola mescaline extraction result [Re: Nature Boy]
    #26431757 - 01/13/20 04:54 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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Nature Boy said:
What's the "typical" percentage in Peyote if there is such a statistic?  I have a half-dozen or so dried buttons in a jar in my safe.  I remember when I tried the first half dozen (they're small).  Chewed 'em up - ate them dry.  Trippy, but I evil puked like never before.  :evilpuke:

Hey CoAsTal:  That T. Peruvians I brought back from Cusco has grown over 1.5cm and is getting FAT!!!  I should put a picture up of it now compared to when I brought it stateside as cutting!  :lol:  Such a pretty thing.  Got it under a bank of 6 grow lights.

I just looked up Trichocereus Scopulicola.  Damned nice looking plants.




NB I remember that original pic-- you really should post an update with a side-by-side , I know we'd all love to see it! It's awesome that it's growing already-- I'd have thought it would take months just to get roots into the ground :smile:


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Re: Trichocereus Scopulicola mescaline extraction result [Re: coAsTal] * 1
    #26432583 - 01/14/20 05:09 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

Here ya go.  Here is the cutting this morning, 1/14/20.  Note the huge difference in length from the two "bites" in the skin as also seen in the pix, below, and lighter green, new growth on top.  The difference in color is due to the bright lights of six fluorescent grow lights as opposed to our incandescent kitchen lights.


and here it is on day of arrival for comparison:



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Re: Trichocereus Scopulicola mescaline extraction result [Re: Nature Boy]
    #26432808 - 01/14/20 08:58 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

Such a vibrant specimen!
You should post this in the Trich Growers thread for them to see it :smile:


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Re: Trichocereus Scopulicola mescaline extraction result [Re: coAsTal] * 2
    #26432829 - 01/14/20 09:16 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

I'm a big fan of Scops.  Now the Scops I have may not be 100% pure Scop.  They may be Scop / Pach hybrids.  But they are great.  I dont do extractions, so I dont have concrete numbers of yields.  But my Scops feel pretty strong.  Not as strong as Bridgesii.  But consistently strong.  I also notice that a Scop trip tends to be very visual and euphoric.  They are great plants.


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Re: Trichocereus Scopulicola mescaline extraction result [Re: Grey Fox] * 1
    #26433469 - 01/14/20 03:35 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

@kerosene: Was the scopulicola from Australia?

Would be handy to note this.

Scops are consistently good medicine plants. The extractions above seems to line up with my understanding of them.

@Nature Boy: You should post a log in the Ethno Garden. It should really take off in Spring.

Pictures of T. scopulicola for aesthetic reasons:









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Re: Trichocereus Scopulicola mescaline extraction result [Re: karode13]
    #26434089 - 01/14/20 10:12 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

Is there a link to the old mycoptopia tek?


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Re: Trichocereus Scopulicola mescaline extraction result [Re: karode13]
    #26434355 - 01/15/20 05:40 AM (4 years, 14 days ago)

@Karode13:  Gorgeous plants!  :congrats:


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Re: Trichocereus Scopulicola mescaline extraction result [Re: kerosene]
    #26437924 - 01/17/20 07:06 AM (4 years, 12 days ago)

What season is it where your at? Sumner
When was the cutting taken? October
Did you extract immediately after cutting it? 1-2 months later
Did you use mid cuts(older growth) or tip cuts? Bottom 30cm cuts of 1 to 1.5m arms, fat approx 20cm diameter.
Huge old mother tree I am told planted in 1985


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Re: Trichocereus Scopulicola mescaline extraction result [Re: kerosene] * 1
    #26437928 - 01/17/20 07:09 AM (4 years, 12 days ago)

Guys don't believe anyone that tells you they get 5% from any cactus. 0.3% to 1.5% is the norm. Anything higher up to 2 to 2.5% is 'extremely', like winning lotto, any 2% plus never comes with any evidence.


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