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agentscullysbf
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trip reports from people with mental illness?
#26430534 - 01/13/20 12:38 AM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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I have schitzoaffective and have had symptoms from it since age 16, I'm 22 now. In all this time I've done LSD a good amount of times. I've never had a "bad" trip. I've also smoked weed more times than I can count, tripped on dxm and unfortunately dph. My worst experiences have been with weed. It would make me really anxious at times. Anyway I know almost everyone online says mental illness and psychedelics is a no no 100% but idk.. I've never had a bad time and im starting to read trip reports from people with schizophrenia and bipolar that are positive. I want to try shrooms but I do want to be careful. So I was wondering if any of you know of any trip reports from people with mental illness or one of your own. I'm not just looking to read want I want to be true. I know for myself so far I've had good times with pretty intense mind altering drugs. I am in a really good place right now. I feel the best I've felt mentally and psychically in years. Advice/opinions is cool though I'm mainly looking for others' experiences with psychedelics who have mental illnesses, specifically mood and psychotic disorders. Thanks!
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Re: trip reports from people with mental illness? [Re: agentscullysbf]
#26430945 - 01/13/20 09:45 AM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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I have no direct experience of this, but having been reading quite a lot on the subject. The hypothesis I have heard suggests that psychedelics (including LSD) shouldn’t work on people with schizophrenia because the psychoactive substances work on the same area of the brain affected by the condition.
The bigger concern is that psychedelics can trigger schizophrenia, notably in early 20 year olds who have a family history of mental illness. It seems like you’re safe when you enter your 30s.
Do plenty of research, pal, and I wish you very good luck.
Come back and inform us what you find out and about your experiences. DJ Ed
-------------------- “It’s like when you see a mountain lion,” he suggested. “If you run, it will chase you. So you must stand your ground.” Michael Pollan: How To Change Your Mind “The problem is not to find the answer, it’s to face the answer.” Terence McKenna

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Re: trip reports from people with mental illness? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26431065 - 01/13/20 11:07 AM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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The term "Mental Illness" covers an extremely wide range and magnitudes of possible issues, diseases, neuroses etc. Clearly someone who is in the throes of severe suicidal mania will be affected differently than someone who has generalized anxiety (even though both are mental illnesses). I mean, everyone, irregardless of their mental state, will be affected, to some degree, different than anyone else.
That being said, I've struggled with severe depression (bordering on suicidal thought) and various other neuroses that caused delusional thinking. I am not nor was I ever formally diagnosed or on medication for anything of this nature (I worked in the pharma industry and have formed an opinion that these prescriptions cause much more harm than good).
My first mushroom experience pulled me out of it. BUT it is possible I didn't have any "serious" issues and that my problems were environmental/developmental which generally ceased when I changed some things in my life. It continues to help with my depression, anxiety, etc. I've had good and weird (somewhat delusional and sometimes dark) experiences on mushrooms. They are powerful substances and can really open up the flood doors of one's mind (which can lead to lasting changes both positive and negative). It is thought that psychedelics can trigger latent mental illness. It seems that this is less due to the chemical substances and more due to the nature/intensity of the experience (this is NOT scientific evidence. I am presenting my opinion based on research. Make sure to do your own research).
Either way, my experiences have been overall positive. However, it is important to note that I've yet to go "deep" (my doses are generally 3-3.5g of average cubes). I've yet to have an experience that was truly horrific, no "ego-death" type experiences etc so I have yet to face a truly intense experience from shrooms. For what it is worth, my two most intense experiences were from eating way too much weed edibles. (One was very dark but humbled me while the other was just horror). Those experiences changed me but, luckily, no negative consequences.
Long story short:
Each individual is unique and just because it was OK for one person with a mental illness does not mean it will be fine for another with a similar issue, and vice versa. Furthermore, these powerful substances are affected by everything from current mood to the area in which you will be having the experience to bottled up traumas (set and setting, etc). Research and safe experimentation is the only way to truly discover what works for you. Be safe and good luck
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Re: trip reports from people with mental illness? [Re: Socrateshroom]
#26431497 - 01/13/20 02:38 PM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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I will always urge both caution, and do your own research; and in depth research at that! But the evidence does not give a strong link between mushrooms and mental illness. There are instances, yes. But cause and effect? Or mathematical probability? I’m not so sure.
I accept I may have been very lucky in my life. I was brought up with “what doesn’t kil you, makes you Stronger”! But I also accept that the intense emotional ride you get from a strong mushroom dose can be extremely intimidating to the uninitiated. Or to the initiated!
5g is so much stronger than 3.5g,, I cant begin to explain. But I’ll try! Reality can literally rip in front of your eyes. You know CEVs outdoors when say you look at trees, and you get all those weird faces stretching out towards you like as fractals? Really trippy / scary when on your own. Well on 5g those fractals multiply by factors of millions. Your whole vision does this and zooms away to infinity. You struggle to get your breath. You are literally going to die. You know the shit that mushrooms can’t kill you, you know you haven’t poisoned yourself because you grew them, you know your being irrational; BUT, you know this time you’re dying. At this point you have no options left but to die. Then f&&& me, the magic starts.
So I think I’ve advised you before Socrateshroom, and you won’t be disappointed, next time do 4g dry cubensis. It is a lot stronger than 3.5g, and can get quite intimidating when the come up is stronger than you’ve ever experienced. It’s then that you talk to the mushrooms and ask for their help. Put your headphones on, 2-3 hour playlist, close your eyes, wrap that blanket tight, and drift away.
YOU WILL THANK ME.
Then have a rest, do 5g, and come here and tell me / us all about it ✊🏻

Mush love, DJ Ed
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Re: trip reports from people with mental illness? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26431653 - 01/13/20 03:41 PM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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Quote:
DJ Ed said: I will always urge both caution, and do your own research; and in depth research at that! But the evidence does not give a strong link between mushrooms and mental illness. There are instances, yes. But cause and effect? Or mathematical probability? I’m not so sure.
I accept I may have been very lucky in my life. I was brought up with “what doesn’t kil you, makes you Stronger”! But I also accept that the intense emotional ride you get from a strong mushroom dose can be extremely intimidating to the uninitiated. Or to the initiated!
5g is so much stronger than 3.5g,, I cant begin to explain. But I’ll try! Reality can literally rip in front of your eyes. You know CEVs outdoors when say you look at trees, and you get all those weird faces stretching out towards you like as fractals? Really trippy / scary when on your own. Well on 5g those fractals multiply by factors of millions. Your whole vision does this and zooms away to infinity. You struggle to get your breath. You are literally going to die. You know the shit that mushrooms can’t kill you, you know you haven’t poisoned yourself because you grew them, you know your being irrational; BUT, you know this time you’re dying. At this point you have no options left but to die. Then f&&& me, the magic starts.
So I think I’ve advised you before Socrateshroom, and you won’t be disappointed, next time do 4g dry cubensis. It is a lot stronger than 3.5g, and can get quite intimidating when the come up is stronger than you’ve ever experienced. It’s then that you talk to the mushrooms and ask for their help. Put your headphones on, 2-3 hour playlist, close your eyes, wrap that blanket tight, and drift away.
YOU WILL THANK ME.
Then have a rest, do 5g, and come here and tell me / us all about it ✊🏻

Mush love, DJ Ed
Definitely and I'm taking your advice 
My next trip will be 3g with a friend at the end of this month. February's trip will be 4g, I have alot of work between now and then to prepare
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Re: trip reports from people with mental illness? [Re: Socrateshroom]
#26431692 - 01/13/20 04:03 PM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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I’m with you all the way, Socrateshroom.
PM anytime.
And “Socrateshroom” now comes up on my auto-correct 👊🏻 Must mean something, brother. We’ll trip in the same timeframe one day, on different places on this planet, and be somehow connected. I know it........
Oh, last bit of advice; do prepare well, but don’t overthink it. You know the score, however the 4g come up is, you will get to that moment when you realise “you’re there”. Everything, just everything, is going to be alright. It is always worth the worry. It is always worth the respect. And it is always better than you could have ever expected. And I bet you might even think, for all that months of worry I’ve just been through for this amazing headspace, why oh why didn’t I do 5g 👊🏻
I am not saying do 5g first :-|, I am saying that is what you will think. And that will be healthy.
When it gets scary on your 4g come up, and it will, then ask the mushrooms to explain why you are depressed and what you can do to help yourself. I time travelled back to my 20 year old Mind on a 4.1g scary come up trip. Headphones and a few hours later realised depression was a choice and I literally told it to fuck off. I chose not to be depressed. And I wasn’t depressed for 11 months, until October 2019 again. I think my mistake was not tripping in the meantime. I could waffle on for hours about this; I think it might help you. So now I’ve decided to be disciplined. Sounds ludicrous really, almost like a drug addict justifying regular drugs! But I’d ont se it that way. I’ve dosed at 3.8g range at two week intervals now since Oct 2019, and I am improving so much more now. I do intend to dose high again in the future, but that will be more for exploration.
See how you feel with your depression after your 4g experience Feb / March time, then we can talk some more.
Bets wishes, DJ Ed
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Re: trip reports from people with mental illness? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26431734 - 01/13/20 04:36 PM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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I find this to be the greatest release that psilocybin specifically gives me, I find that I can go into a trip with plenty of problems in life, anxiety about situations and in the days after a good trip the anxiety slips away, I become confident about things I previously doubted myself over and more motivated in my endeavors. however if I go into a trip saying i'm doing this for a good time, it generally transpires and when I want action or something from life, I usually attain it. your outcome is greatly influenced by your mindset going into the experience. My crazy ass hasn't been rehospitalized since psychedelic use, I've spent multiple week+ trips to them prior though
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Re: trip reports from people with mental illness? [Re: Socrateshroom]
#26432214 - 01/13/20 09:11 PM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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I had an ego death for sure on acid one time. It was scary for a moment only because i thought I was having a heart attack but after it was over and once i was sober again it was amazing and it helped me get over some truama from my childhood. Ive had intense moments while tripping but im good at handling it and reminding myself that I took drugs and it will pass and isnt permannent
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Re: trip reports from people with mental illness? [Re: agentscullysbf]
#26432500 - 01/14/20 02:22 AM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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People with unstable personalities should avoid psychedelics. I had a friend I would never trip with because I just had a bad feeling about it, and, sure enough, some other friends tripped with her and it was not pretty.
People with a tenuous grasp on reality can not afford to give the anchor of sanity the slightest tug.
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Re: trip reports from people with mental illness? [Re: CountHTML]
#26432540 - 01/14/20 04:11 AM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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My personality is actually pretty stable as I don't have any personality disorders. Those are very different from mood or psychotic disorders. I don't know if psychedelics are for me but it would not have anything to do with my personality... even at my worst, my friends and family would agree that I'm always the same me just struggling.
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Re: trip reports from people with mental illness? [Re: agentscullysbf]
#26432571 - 01/14/20 04:54 AM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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Definitely have had a temp psychosis from taking 7grams my first time.
Was in and out of a psych ward for 9 months.. took a couple of years for hallucinations/delusions to completely subside.
May sound completely crazy/stupid/*fill in the blank*.. but taking shrooms again has helped me overcome the fear of myself and all of the bad trauma-ugly stuff inside. The real issue was childhood abuse and running from the darker side of how I coped.
That experience was so profound and pattern altering that it changed my processing ability and increased memory for the better. Even with the consequences of a psychotic break the stress ultimately imparted a sense of strength, now more than 7 years later.
Try a really small dose and every trip try increasing it. No reason to re-traumatize yourself wanting to open up the mind fully.
Edited by HolyBolete (01/14/20 04:55 AM)
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Re: trip reports from people with mental illness? [Re: HolyBolete]
#26432589 - 01/14/20 05:15 AM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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Also spent the last 6ish years completely off of anything too mind altering as well to get re-acclimated w micro-dosing and psychedelic therapy.
Never thought I'd ever return back to shrooms again.
Edited by HolyBolete (01/14/20 05:16 AM)
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