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"FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology"
    #26430478 - 01/12/20 11:10 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)



My understanding is that Obama already got into trouble by having the IRS target and abuse conservative activist groups, presumably, in order to weaken anyone who wasn't Left wing and Democrat.

Is it that much of a stretch to think he did the same with the FBI to dig up dirt on someone opposing his next-in-line, Hillary Clinton? With the fact that Clinton recieved questions from CNN to win the primary, etc, this looks very bad for the Democrats and basically like they've put the end results (at best, helping the little guy and weakest among us) above everything else and will cheat and degrade the office they hold in order to maintain power.

Siccing the IRS, FBI and various 'impartial' government departments under your control on political opponents is a very dangerous line to have crossed.

It basically makes elections, with the handing over of power after elections, very tenuous and wrought with stress and hostility. Elections in many countries are very dangerous times and now, even here, they might lead to bloodshed have already led to bloodshed during this last election, and are now a much more stressful and less accepted part of our society.

It's also noteworthy that much of the violence and protests concerning BLM came to a very abrupt end once Trump took office. Not saying Obama was funding it (as maybe they just feared Trump as 'Literally Hitler'), and I haven't seen any report on this, but it was startling and very obvious, to me, at the time that it just turned off like a spigot.

Did anyone else notice that? Anyways...

I won't mention the corruption of having people on the Trump case that were clearly partisan and scumbags with no morals to boot.

I just wanted to see what people's reaction was to this thing about the FBI apologizing for illegally tapping Trump, as I had not heard that the FBI had admitted to doing anything wrong or illegal.


Thanks for reading, look forward to hearing your thoughts on this. :rockon:


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: eieio]
    #26430495 - 01/12/20 11:36 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

"One America News Network"?  Why isn't this front page news on all the mainstream media channels?


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26430531 - 01/13/20 12:31 AM (4 years, 16 days ago)

I guess the FBI picked on the wrong guy this time. 

The US government has illegally surveilled a lot of people.  Trump happened to be in a position to do something about it, so he did, for himself, not even mentioning all the others who have been violated in one way or the other by illegal police and government actions of this sort.

I don't think he even cares as long as it's not him. 

A real man of the people would have cleaned up Washington.

To be clear, the apology was issued to the court, whom the FBI mislead to get a warrant for a Trump associate.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26430544 - 01/13/20 12:50 AM (4 years, 16 days ago)

That's Trump's favourite channel!  I heard him say something about it once.

Now some people want to make it into another FOXNEWS maybe!  That would be next level propaganda alright.  Republican and Trump centred feel good stories 24/7. 

Trump Allies Explore Buyout of Conservative Channel Seeking to Compete With Fox News Hicks Equity Partners, a firm tied to Republican National Committee co-chair Thomas Hicks Jr., is pitching GOP donors on buyout of One America News Network

mediaibiasfactcheck has some very interesting information on them.  Owned by a Republican donor, they once said Adam Schiff was being investigated by Burisma!



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Overall, we rate One America News Far right biased based on story selection that consistently favors the Right and Mixed for factual reporting due to promotion of conspiracies, lack of sourcing and a few failed fact checks.
Detailed Report

Factual Reporting: MIXED
Country: USA
World Press Freedom Rank: USA 48/180

History

Founded in 2013, One America News Network (OANN), also referred to as One America News (OAN), is an American right-wing pay television news channel and website. According to the Washington Post since the election of Donald Trump OAN has become pro-Trump in coverage and a favorite news source for the President. The founder of OAN is Charles Herring who has said “Fox News has done a great job serving the center-right and independent audiences…But those who consider themselves liberal have a half dozen or more choices on TV each day from which to get their news.” OAN has been criticized for biased content that favors Donald Trump.

On 10/10/2019, President Trump thanked OANN For Providing ‘Fair Coverage And Brilliant Reporting’.

Read our profile on USA government influence on media.

Funded by / Ownership

According to their about page “One America News Network is owned by Herring Networks, Inc. Herring Networks, Inc. is a family owned and operated, independent media company focused on providing high quality national television programming to consumers via its national cable networks.” Herring Networks is owned by Robert Herring Sr. who is a Republican donor. One America News is funded through advertising and television subscription fees.

Analysis / Bias

In review, OAN is a far right biased news channel and website that uses moderately loaded words in headlines and articles such as this: Sen. Schumer Refuses To Back Down On Border Wall Funding. This article does not offer sourcing at all. In another article Senate Floats Restrictions On Detentions Of Illegal Aliens In Government Spending Bill, there is again a lack of sourced information.

One America News writes articles that are very short and easy to read. Their aim is to keep stories under 1 minute long. Story selection almost always favors the right and in particular President Donald Trump. An article in AdWeek describes how the owner of Herring Networks directs his newsroom to favor Trump: “According to internal emails, Herring has directed his channel to push Trump’s candidacy, scuttle stories about police shootings, encourage antiabortion stories, minimize coverage of Russian aggression, and steer away from the new president’s troubles, according to more than a dozen current and former producers, writers and anchors, as well as internal emails from Herring and his top news executives.”

OAN has also promoted right wing conspiracies such as the Seth Rich Murder and that there was no evidence of chemical attacks in Syria.

A factual search reveals a few failed fact checks by IFCN fact checkers.

Would a Proposed Law ‘Ban the Bible’ in California? – FALSE
Is an Increase in Recorded Crime in England and Wales Linked to ‘Radical Islamic Terror’? – MOSTLY FALSE
Says Adam Schiff is “under investigation for Ukrainian Burisma oil connections.” – PANTS ON FIRE (12/10/2019)
Overall, we rate One America News Far right biased based on story selection that consistently favors the Right and Mixed for factual reporting due to promotion of conspiracies, lack of sourcing and a few failed fact checks. (10/12/2016) (D. Van Zandt 12/10/2019)

Source: https://www.oann.com




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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: JohnRainy] * 2
    #26431226 - 01/13/20 12:30 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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Now some people want to make it into another FOXNEWS maybe!  That would be next level propaganda alright.  Republican and Trump centred feel good stories 24/7.



Interestingly, since Trump got elected CNN, MSNBC, New York Times, Washington Post, etc have all been pushing a surprising amount of fake news, such as Russia-Gate.

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Owned by a Republican donor, they once said Adam Schiff was being investigated by Burisma!



Schiff made good money from investing in Burisma.  What did Schiff know about Burisma that the rest of us didn't?

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OAN has also promoted right wing conspiracies such as the Seth Rich Murder and that there was no evidence of chemical attacks in Syria.



Those aren't conspiracies.

You may have missed the prior discussions, but there appears to be more evidence of Seth Rich's involvement with WikiLeaks than there is he wasn't involved.
And you also may have missed the OPCW scandal story stating that there was in fact no evidence of the Douma chemical attacks.

In this case, even the New York Times admits the One America News Network was correct about this.  Yet few others are reporting the story.  Why???  :shrug:


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26431240 - 01/13/20 12:34 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

That report is a complete lie. One America news 😆


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: koods]
    #26431261 - 01/13/20 12:44 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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That report is a complete lie. One America news 😆



For real this is just sad the levels of gullibility people have sunk to.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26431273 - 01/13/20 12:47 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

Should MSM/Fake News really be scrutinizing other media outlets? :lol:


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: qman]
    #26431283 - 01/13/20 12:51 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

What


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: koods] * 1
    #26431284 - 01/13/20 12:51 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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That report is a complete lie. One America news 😆



Did you miss my link to the New York Times confirming it?  Or what was the lie you are referring to?


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26431287 - 01/13/20 12:53 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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Now some people want to make it into another FOXNEWS maybe!  That would be next level propaganda alright.  Republican and Trump centred feel good stories 24/7.



Interestingly, since Trump got elected CNN, MSNBC, New York Times, Washington Post, etc have all been pushing a surprising amount of fake news, such as Russia-Gate.

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Owned by a Republican donor, they once said Adam Schiff was being investigated by Burisma!



Schiff made good money from investing in Burisma.  What did Schiff know about Burisma that the rest of us didn't?

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OAN has also promoted right wing conspiracies such as the Seth Rich Murder and that there was no evidence of chemical attacks in Syria.



Those aren’t conspiracies




They are debunked conspiracy theories believed and pushed by propagandists like yourself


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26431289 - 01/13/20 12:53 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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That report is a complete lie. One America news 😆



Did you miss my link to the New York Times confirming it?  Or what was the lie you are referring to?



No even trump says N.Y. Times is FAKE NEWS and the FAILING N.Y. Times.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26431291 - 01/13/20 12:54 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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That report is a complete lie. One America news 😆



Did you miss my link to the New York Times confirming it?  Or what was the lie you are referring to?




There is no information whatsoever the president was ever wiretapped. That is a lie.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: koods]
    #26431303 - 01/13/20 01:06 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

The NYT article mentions an advisor only, not trump himself.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: feldman114]
    #26431318 - 01/13/20 01:12 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

This is about carter page. Not trump. Page wasn’t even on the campaign anymore when they started wiretapping him. The IG report also said the original fisa warrant ordering the wiretapping was legal and appropriate. It was the reauthorization where they had problems.

Right wing media is fucking awful and dangerous to democracy.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: koods]
    #26431324 - 01/13/20 01:14 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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They are debunked conspiracy theories believed and pushed by propagandists like yourself



Did you know that make believing something is debunked doesn't debunk it?  :cookiemonster:

If you have evidence showing how any my links have been debunked, I'm all ears.  But again, make believing something is debunked doesn't debunk it.

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There is no information whatsoever the president was ever wiretapped. That is a lie.



No where in their video did they say that.  :shrug:


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26431349 - 01/13/20 01:23 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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There is no information whatsoever the president was ever wiretapped. That is a lie.



No where in their video did they say that.  :shrug:




More falcon gaslighting. Fucking shameful.



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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: koods]
    #26431363 - 01/13/20 01:30 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

How come they’re not outraged that this was leaked? FOX hates leaks, effective 2016.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: eieio]
    #26431371 - 01/13/20 01:34 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

I'd like to see at least one source to back this claim up. I can't find a single one.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: christopera]
    #26431383 - 01/13/20 01:40 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

This really seems like a bid to get trump to promote their network more than anything


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: koods]
    #26431387 - 01/13/20 01:43 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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More falcon gaslighting. Fucking shameful.





I said "No where in their video did they say that".  I missed the text because I was listening to the audio, but fair enough.  I never heard of One America News Network before.


So do you have evidence that the evidence I provided about Seth Rich and the Douma chemical attacks was debunked, or were you just make believing it was debunked?


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26431412 - 01/13/20 01:51 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

Seth Rich was debunked in mueller report.

Doumas is the fog of war and I’m not really interested in giving a genocidal killer the benefit of the doubt .


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: koods] * 1
    #26431520 - 01/13/20 02:48 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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Seth Rich was debunked in mueller report.



Here's what the Mueller report said:

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Beginning in the summer of 2016, Assange and WikiLeaks made a number of statements about Seth Rich, a former DNC staff member who was killed in July 2016. The statements about Rich implied falsely that he had been the source of the stolen DNC emails.

After the U.S. intelligence community publicly announced its assessment that Russia was behind the hacking operation, Assange continued to deny that the Clinton materials released by WikiLeaks had come from Russian hacking. According to media reports, Assange told a U.S. congressman that the DNC hack was an “inside job,” and purported to have “physical proof” that Russians did not give materials to Assange.



As I said before, "make believing something is debunked doesn't debunk it".  Mueller made a claim he couldn't back up.

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Doumas is the fog of war and I’m not really interested in giving a genocidal killer the benefit of the doubt .



It was a very clear cut case of lying.  You're not really interested in the truth.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26431538 - 01/13/20 02:57 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

You are just someone who will believe what you want to believe regardless of the facts.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: koods] * 1
    #26431543 - 01/13/20 02:59 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

It’s fake because the FBI would never apologize for shit. Fuck Trump, fuck the FBI, DEA, ATF, and especially the fucking IRS


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    #26431549 - 01/13/20 03:01 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

I used to work at NIH. Are they ok?


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: Antigov]
    #26431559 - 01/13/20 03:05 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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It’s fake because the FBI would never apologize for shit. Fuck Trump, fuck the FBI, DEA, ATF, and especially the fucking IRS




Why the IRS?
Seriously...they don’t decide how much taxes you pay. And they don’t keep that money for themselves lol. Why hate them?


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: feldman114] * 1
    #26431578 - 01/13/20 03:12 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

Some people  just want gov services to be a free handout .


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: koods] * 1
    #26431591 - 01/13/20 03:17 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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You are just someone who will believe what you want to believe regardless of the facts.



I care about the facts.  Let's talk about them, since it's usually you who doesn't care about them.

1.  The FBI said they never checked Seth Rich's computer.  Why not???
2.  Seymour Hersh said a high ranking FBI official told him they found evidence on Seth Rich's computer that he was indeed working with WikiLeaks.
3.  The FBI classified all their information about Seth Rich TOP SECRET.  Why?
4.  The FBI never proved the Russian Government gave the emails to Wikileaks, even if they believe Russia had the emails from spying
5.  Julian Assange said he didn't get the emails from Russia


Where's your facts that you say you care so much about?  :popcorn:


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
    #26431592 - 01/13/20 03:17 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

We should eliminate 85% of the government. I have no plan on how that would work, but as a Libertarian I support it. Also, let's legalize weed.


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    #26431598 - 01/13/20 03:20 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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You are just someone who will believe what you want to believe regardless of the facts.



I care about the facts.  Let's talk about them, since it's usually you who doesn't care about them.

1.  The FBI said they never checked Seth Rich's computer.  Why not???
2.  Seymour Hersh said a high ranking FBI official told him they found evidence on Seth Rich's computer that he was indeed working with WikiLeaks.
3.  The FBI classified all their information about Seth Rich TOP SECRET.  Why?
4.  The FBI never proved the Russian Government gave the emails to Wikileaks, even if they believe Russia had the emails from spying
5.  Julian Assange said he didn't get the emails from Russia


Where's your facts that you say you care so much about?  :popcorn:




Yes we’ve been through all of this before. You’re wrong about most of this stuff. I’m not gong to continue talking about something already settled everywhere except in your agenda driven head.


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    #26431604 - 01/13/20 03:22 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

If we are going to debate Seth Rich, we should perform some necromancy and resurrect one of the many Seth Rich threads I'm sure are here. Continuing this silly thread is pointless.


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I don’t a fuck as long as I can sell raw milk to fools dumb enough to buy it from  me .




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    #26431614 - 01/13/20 03:25 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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The FBI said they never checked Seth Rich's computer.  Why not???




We are supposed to believe Seth rich was murdered by his employers because of info he had and they didn’t go to his apartment and take his computer ? Lol.


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You should get your guns taken away for that.





Sure why not , can’t fight the govt if I don’t fund it . Real men bow hunt anyway ... guns are for losers .


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    #26431621 - 01/13/20 03:29 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

I get that people have pet theories and their egos make it hard for them to give it up, especially when they’ve been so public about it, but JFC this Seth rich thing is beyond absurd at this point


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    #26431624 - 01/13/20 03:29 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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The FBI said they never checked Seth Rich's computer.  Why not???




We are supposed to believe Seth rich was murdered by his employers because of info he had and they didn’t go to his apartment and take his computer ? Lol.




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    #26431625 - 01/13/20 03:29 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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You are just someone who will believe what you want to believe regardless of the facts.



I care about the facts.  Let's talk about them, since it's usually you who doesn't care about them.

1.  The FBI said they never checked Seth Rich's computer.  Why not???
2.  Seymour Hersh said a high ranking FBI official told him they found evidence on Seth Rich's computer that he was indeed working with WikiLeaks.
3.  The FBI classified all their information about Seth Rich TOP SECRET.  Why?
4.  The FBI never proved the Russian Government gave the emails to Wikileaks, even if they believe Russia had the emails from spying
5.  Julian Assange said he didn't get the emails from Russia


Where's your facts that you say you care so much about?  :popcorn:




Yes we’ve been through all of this before. You’re wrong about most of this stuff. I’m not gong to continue talking about something already settled everywhere except in your agenda driven head.




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If we are going to debate Seth Rich, we should perform some necromancy and resurrect one of the many Seth Rich threads I'm sure are here. Continuing this silly thread is pointless.



Either one of you should feel free to provide evidence that any of the 5 points above are wrong.  :popcorn:


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    #26431631 - 01/13/20 03:31 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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The FBI said they never checked Seth Rich's computer.  Why not???



We are supposed to believe Seth rich was murdered by his employers because of info he had and they didn’t go to his apartment and take his computer ? Lol.



We don't know who murdered Seth Rich.  But the police claimed they never checked Seth's computer.


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    #26431634 - 01/13/20 03:32 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

No. We’ve already been down that path. It’s is pointless and his thread is about another topic.


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    #26431635 - 01/13/20 03:33 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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I used to work at NIH. Are they ok?




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    #26431636 - 01/13/20 03:33 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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get that people have pet theories and their egos make it hard for them to give it up, especially when they’ve been so public about it, but JFC this Seth rich thing is beyond absurd at this point






Russia started it , then Fox News aired it as a real thing and had to retract it 8 days later .  If people are going to keep putting it out there then they shouldn’t be mad about being called Putin’s press secretary .


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    #26431637 - 01/13/20 03:33 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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koods said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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koods said:
You are just someone who will believe what you want to believe regardless of the facts.



I care about the facts.  Let's talk about them, since it's usually you who doesn't care about them.

1.  The FBI said they never checked Seth Rich's computer.  Why not???
2.  Seymour Hersh said a high ranking FBI official told him they found evidence on Seth Rich's computer that he was indeed working with WikiLeaks.
3.  The FBI classified all their information about Seth Rich TOP SECRET.  Why?
4.  The FBI never proved the Russian Government gave the emails to Wikileaks, even if they believe Russia had the emails from spying
5.  Julian Assange said he didn't get the emails from Russia


Where's your facts that you say you care so much about?  :popcorn:




Yes we’ve been through all of this before. You’re wrong about most of this stuff. I’m not gong to continue talking about something already settled everywhere except in your agenda driven head.




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If we are going to debate Seth Rich, we should perform some necromancy and resurrect one of the many Seth Rich threads I'm sure are here. Continuing this silly thread is pointless.



Either one of you should feel free to provide evidence that any of the 5 points above are wrong.  :popcorn:




Why?

Because this thread went from the FBI apologizing(which it didn't) to some random shit about Seth Rich? No thanks. Sorry, I'll save the circle jerk for something else.


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You don’t find “ Julian Asange said he didn’t “” compelling evidence ?


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    #26431685 - 01/13/20 03:55 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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1.  The FBI said they ne



 
  Gunna guess it’s because Seth was not under investigation , they would need a warrant to do that .
  They don’t search victims computers  that weren’t stolen . Why would you , unless you start with the premise  Hillary did it . Just a guess.


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No. We’ve already been down that path. It’s is pointless and his thread is about another topic.



Pointless because those facts remain even after our discussion.

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Russia started it...  If people are going to keep putting it out there then they shouldn’t be mad about being called Putin’s press secretary .



Either "Putin's press secretary" or "on the side that won't make believe for America".

Notice here how everyone's crying about these points instead of rebutting them.

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...this thread went from the FBI apologizing(which it didn't) to some random shit about Seth Rich? No thanks.



Two things:

1.  The FBI did apologize, according to the New York Times
2.  JohnRainy brought up Seth Rich, not me, though I won't ask you to rebut the evidence if you are unable to.


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    #26431900 - 01/13/20 06:11 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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Notice here how everyone's crying about the evidence instead of rebutting it.




No it’s all been rebutted over the years by numerous posters in numerous threads and numerous times. You’re not interested in the facts. You simply want to muddy the waters and make it seem like you’re just trying to get to the bottom of things. Most of us have just gotten tired of you rehashing topics that have been retired by everyone except you.


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Two things:

1.  The FBI did apologize, according to the New York Times
2.  JohnRainy brought up Seth Rich, not me, though I won't ask you to rebut the evidence if you are unable to.




Christioher Wray told THE COURT the FBI regretted the omission and errors in the Carter Page application, which was identified in the IG report.

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The FBI has the utmost respect for this Court, and deeply regrets the errors and omissions identified by the [Office of the Inspector General]. The OIG Report and the affiliated Rule 13(a) letters describe conduct that is unacceptable and unrepresentative of the FBI as an institution. FISA is an indispensable tool in national security investigations, and in recognition of our duty of candor to the Court and our responsibilities to the American people, the FBI is committed to working with the Court and DOJ to ensure the accuracy and completeness of the FISA process.




This thread is about how the FBI supposedly admitted and apologized for illegally wiretapping the president. The FBI did not admit the wiretaps were illegal. The FBI wiretaps did not target trump. The FBI did not appologize for the wiretaps. The FBI did not appologize to anyone except the FISA court.

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No it’s all been rebutted over the years by numerous posters in numerous threads and numerous times.



Source?  Or make believe?

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You’re not interested in the facts. You simply want to muddy the waters and make it seem like you’re just trying to get to the bottom of things.



Why don't you list some of "the facts" that you think I'm not interested in?

Or do you consider a "fact" to be something somebody said that you like to make believe is true, like Trump colluding with Russia?

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Most of us have just gotten tired of you rehashing topics that have been retired by everyone except you.



I'll retire anything that's actually been rebutted.  You and I have a very different standard of truth.  When I hear "Iraq has WMDs" or "Trump colluded with Russia", I say "show me the proof", you simply say "it's settled".


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Someone else brought up Seth rich as an example of the kinds of conspiracy mongering  and yellow journalism OAN engages in.



Right, and I pointed out that they were correct in that there was no evidence of chemical attacks in Douma, and that there are still questions about Seth Rich.

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    #26432147 - 01/13/20 08:41 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

From you article;

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WASHINGTON — A chastened F.B.I. told a secretive court on Friday that it was increasing training and oversight for officials who work on national security wiretap applications in response to problems uncovered by a scathing inspector general report last month about botched surveillance targeting a former Trump campaign adviser.




From this thread;

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FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology




A former Trump campaign adviser isn't "President Trump".

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    #26432285 - 01/13/20 10:06 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

lol, good ol Shroomery politics board. Can't believe I was talking this place up elsewhere, though. What was I thinking?

Anyways, more details getting leaked about 'Crossfire Hurricane', and this from the report which , though apparently elusive for the posters here, I found in 30 secs and 5 mouseclicks...

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The Report concludes that the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane investigation and related investigations of certain individuals were opened in 2016 for an authorized purpose and with adequate factual predication. The Report also details instances in which certain FBI personnel, at times during the 2016-2017 period reviewed by the OIG, did not comply with existing policies, neglected to exercise appropriate diligence, or otherwise failed to meet the standard of conduct that the FBI expects of its employees — and that our country expects of the FBI. We are vested with significant authorities, and it is our obligation as public servants to ensure that these authorities are exercised with objectivity and integrity. Anything less falls short of the FBI’s duty to the American people.

Accordingly, the FBI accepts the Report’s findings and embraces the need for thoughtful, meaningful remedial action.

I have ordered more than 40 corrective steps to address the Report’s recommendations. Because our credibility and brand are central to fulfilling our mission, we are also making improvements beyond those recommended by the OIG. And where certain individuals have been referred by the OIG for review of their conduct, the FBI will not hesitate to take appropriate disciplinary action if warranted at the completion of the required procedures for disciplinary review.

Below is a summary of the actions we are taking, which we describe in more detail in the attachment to this letter.




Sounds like an apology in everything but the word "sorry" and "I apologize."

So, from what we know so far, members of Trump's team were spied on. But, we're to believe that he himself wasn't? Barr thinks there was spying. What does he know, though? Not as much as the Shroomery, apparently.

Obviously, though, and to be serious (about the only time in this post) like many things in life, you may have to use common sense and not rely on what this or that news article (or gov't dept) says but read past the headlines. The comments here are telling in their lack. With their snideness and smugness (that you'd think Democrats would, at long last, have tired of or at least seen that it was backfiring on them, but alas, nope!) and with who is upvoted and who isn't as that's the real proof of who's right and who's wrong.

Ah, what else? I give a shit about whether the headline is true? Headlines often aren't even written by the authors of articles. This goes even for the Democratic Media Complex of NYTs, WaPo, CNN, NBC, MSNBC, HuffPo, LA Times, Seattle Times, O Live, New Yorker, Vanity Fair, GQ, The Root, Time, US News, Slate, Salon, Atlantic, Variety, Heavy, Vox, Consequence of Sound, IndieWire, Rolling Stone, Vice, NPR, PBS, and on down to Comedy Central, SNL, Bill Maher and other assorted Golden Globes / PedoWood puppets like Alec Baldwin, DeNiro, Dustin "I Haven't Raped Anyone Recent Though" Hoffman, Kevin "Bill Clinton Really Gets Me" Spacey and, you're friend and mine, endless astroturfers on various websites like Reddit etc etc etc JournoList Google+ (and more!),  pushing talking points as they sits at a desk outside DC sucking that salty government teat and defending Moloch.

Funny, though. The "newofficialwebsiteofmediabiastotellyouwhotolistentoandwhonot", that someone linked to. As if the other DNC affiliated, Leftie run sites that were all the rage a scant decade back just aren't doing the trick anymore. You know, the ones that were supposedly "unbiased" and dedicated to informing the public of bias ...weren't enough, I guess. "Let's add another!" I liked that. "This one will have kewl graphics! The kids love that!" :laugh:

Ah well. Libs never learn and piss in their own cereal weekly.

People would rather tune out from news and Hollywood, mainsteam produced media altogether than be talked down to by smug sexual predators and drug addicts who hate them.

American Greatness, American Conservative, American Affairs, (pretty much anything with 'America' in the title as that's like poison ivy to the Left who prefers shitting on the country that hosts them and from which, no matter how much they promise, they'll never, ever leave), TakiMag, Commentary, The Federalist, The Quietus, Epoch Times, Robert Crumb, classical liberals of a mere ten years ago that the cult of edgy Leftist Outrage has now placed upon their sacrificial pyre,  meh, url=https://archive.is/76L3Z]a bunch more[/url] are also good sources of orange v blue morality and non-DNC approved content.

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    #26432309 - 01/13/20 10:20 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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So, from what we know so far, members of Trump's team were spied on. But, we're to believe that he himself wasn't? Barr thinks there was spying. What does he know, though




The IG report says nothing about Trump being spied on. There is no evidence trump was wiretapped. There were no illegal wiretaps. There were issues with some of the reauthorizations, and questions about the appropriateness of those later wiretaps, but that doesn’t make them illegal. At most, it would make them inadmissible. The FBI acknowledged and regretted those issues in a statement made to the FISA court.

The FBI did not admit to illegally wiretapping the president or anyone. The FBI did not apologize for wiretapping anyone. The FBI did not apologize to the president .


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    #26432315 - 01/13/20 10:23 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

You sound obsessed and angry. Please, calm down.

Also, you seem really, really sure of something that, probably, nobody here really knows for sure.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: eieio]
    #26432326 - 01/13/20 10:34 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

What anger?

That post sounds like something that so-called news site would say.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26432331 - 01/13/20 10:42 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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From you article;

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WASHINGTON — A chastened F.B.I. told a secretive court on Friday that it was increasing training and oversight for officials who work on national security wiretap applications in response to problems uncovered by a scathing inspector general report last month about botched surveillance targeting a former Trump campaign adviser.




From this thread;

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FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology




A former Trump campaign adviser isn't "President Trump".

Seems pretty simple. Not sure why this thread chugs on.




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I'll agree that they appear to have gotten this one wrong based on the text they posted with their video.



So I'm not sure why you think I'm still arguing this particular point.

I'm just saying they got some other things right that the mainstream media didn't.


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    #26432358 - 01/13/20 11:06 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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What anger?

That post sounds like something that so-called news site would say.




This guy’s rages remind me of another poster recently banned, but I can’t rememwber the user name.


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    #26432376 - 01/13/20 11:17 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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Someone else brought up Seth rich as an example of the kinds of conspiracy mongering  and yellow journalism OAN engages in.



Right, and I pointed out that they were correct in that there was no evidence of chemical attacks in Douma, and that there are still questions about Seth Rich.




There are no questions about Rich. There was no reason to search his computers.There is no reason to believe he was in contact with Wikileaks. If Seth Rich was providing documents to Wikileaks then why did Julian Asaange bring up his name considering they do not name their sources. This entire narrative is part of a Russian disinformation campaign intended to keep the waters muddy about their involvement in hacking the DNC.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: koods]
    #26432377 - 01/13/20 11:18 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

Why didn't DNC hand over their servers to the FBI?


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    #26432388 - 01/13/20 11:25 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

Lol

The servers aren’t actual computers sitting dedicated in the DNC office. They used an email service and the emails were stored remotely, in the cloud and on massive systems hosting emails for thousand of entities.

If someone asked you to turn over your server, would that demand even make sense? No.


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    #26432414 - 01/13/20 11:52 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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There are no questions about Rich. There was no reason to search his computers.  There is no reason to believe he was in contact with Wikileaks.



You're right if your goal was to make sure you don't rule out Russia as a leaker.  Oh wait, that WAS the goal?  My bad,  there was no reason to search his computers.

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This entire narrative is part of a Russian disinformation campaign intended to keep the waters muddy about their involvement in hacking the DNC.



Oh good lord, you still believe in Russia-gate?  Then take my signature bet.


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    #26432429 - 01/14/20 12:22 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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There are no questions about Rich. There was no reason to search his computers.  There is no reason to believe he was in contact with Wikileaks.



You're right if your goal was to make sure you don't rule out Russia as a leaker.  Oh wait, that WAS the goal?  My bad,  there was no reason to search his computers..




The evidence pointed to Russia, the forensics confirmed it. There was no evidence or anything to suggest Seth Rich had anything to do with the hacks or leaks. Being murdered and working for the DNC is not evidence of anything you want it to be.

Just try to use a little common sense here: if Wikileaks vows to protect its sources, then why in the hell would Julian Assange bring his name up in a conversation where he just said they don’t reveal their sources?

If some unknown guy named bob smith was your source, then saying “there’s a guy named bob smith you should be looking into” is a fucking absurd way shield his identity.

Conversely, if Rich was a source and he’s been murdered, then why the fuck wouldn’t Wikileaks reveal such information. Certainly providing law enforcement information about potential politically motivated murder outweighs protecting the identity of a dead person.


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    #26432465 - 01/14/20 01:36 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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The evidence pointed to Russia, the forensics confirmed it. There was no evidence or anything to suggest Seth Rich had anything to do with the hacks or leaks.



Do you mean outside of Seymour Hersh saying a high ranking FBI official told him they found evidence on Seth Rich's computer that he was working with WikiLeaks?  And outside the fact that everything the FBI had on Seth Rich was classified TOP SECRET?  And outside the fact that Julian Assange said it wasn't Russia?

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Being murdered and working for the DNC is not evidence of anything you want it to be.



I never said his murder was evidence of anything, nor do I want it to be.  That's you make believing again.

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Just try to use a little common sense here: if Wikileaks vows to protect its sources, then why in the hell would Julian Assange bring his name up in a conversation where he just said they don’t reveal their sources?

If some unknown guy named bob smith was your source, then saying “there’s a guy named bob smith you should be looking into” is a fucking absurd way shield his identity.



What do you think they are protecting a dead guy from?

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Conversely, if Rich was a source and he’s been murdered, then why the fuck wouldn’t Wikileaks reveal such information. Certainly providing law enforcement information about potential politically motivated murder outweighs protecting the identity of a dead person.



I'm not claiming the DNC murdered Seth Rich.  Nor is Assange.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26432468 - 01/14/20 01:42 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

How would Seth's family know if this Seth leaked any information to Wikileaks?

If I were Seth's family, I'd also be asking the FBI to declassify what they classified as Top Secret about Seth.


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    #26432499 - 01/14/20 02:19 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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Do you mean outside of Seymour Hersh saying a high ranking FBI official told him they found evidence on Seth Rich's computer that he was working with WikiLeaks?  And outside the fact that everything the FBI had on Seth Rich was classified TOP SECRET?  And outside the fact that Julian Assange said it wasn't Russia?




Wait. You just claimed the FBI didn’t search his computer, and now you’re saying the FBI found eveidnce on his computer. Which is it? Where is the FBI investigation?

The claim that the FBI has info on Seth rich that is classified is a totally absurd claim. This was the FOIA request you are referring to, and it’s from the NSA not the FBI.

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All documents, records, or communications referencing or containing communications between Seth Rich and any of the following: Julian Assange, Wikileaks, Kim Dotcom, Aaron Rich, Shawn Lucas, Kelsey Mulka, Imran Awan, Abid Awan, Jamal Awan, Hina Alvi, Rao Abbas, and/or any person or entity outside of the United States.




This was the response:
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Your request has been processed under the provisions of the FOIA. Fifteen documents (32 pages) responsive to your request have been reviewed by this Agency as required by the FOIA and have found to be currently and properly classified in accordance with Executive Order 13526




The only thing you can conclude from this is that details of Seth Rich’s communications with any of those people list, which includes literally every single person in the world not inside the US have been classified. What is the significance of that? Pretty sure the government cannot release the details of private communications between an American and others without a court order. It certainly doesn’t mean rich was in contact with Wikileaks. That is an absurd leap.

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    #26432501 - 01/14/20 02:23 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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I never said his murder was evidence of anything, nor do I want it to be. 



If it’s not evidence of anything then there is no reason to search his computer

Why don’t you explain the probable cause you believe exists for law enforcement to search his computer.


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    #26432590 - 01/14/20 05:18 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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What anger?

That post sounds like something that so-called news site would say.



The right tends to call anything in opposition to their own beliefs and opinions angry or deranged. Especially if its more than one sentence long.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: eieio] * 1
    #26432644 - 01/14/20 06:38 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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lol, good ol Shroomery politics board. Can't believe I was talking this place up elsewhere, though. What was I thinking?

Anyways, more details getting leaked about 'Crossfire Hurricane', and this from the report which , though apparently elusive for the posters here, I found in 30 secs and 5 mouseclicks...

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The Report concludes that the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane investigation and related investigations of certain individuals were opened in 2016 for an authorized purpose and with adequate factual predication. The Report also details instances in which certain FBI personnel, at times during the 2016-2017 period reviewed by the OIG, did not comply with existing policies, neglected to exercise appropriate diligence, or otherwise failed to meet the standard of conduct that the FBI expects of its employees — and that our country expects of the FBI. We are vested with significant authorities, and it is our obligation as public servants to ensure that these authorities are exercised with objectivity and integrity. Anything less falls short of the FBI’s duty to the American people.

Accordingly, the FBI accepts the Report’s findings and embraces the need for thoughtful, meaningful remedial action.

I have ordered more than 40 corrective steps to address the Report’s recommendations. Because our credibility and brand are central to fulfilling our mission, we are also making improvements beyond those recommended by the OIG. And where certain individuals have been referred by the OIG for review of their conduct, the FBI will not hesitate to take appropriate disciplinary action if warranted at the completion of the required procedures for disciplinary review.

Below is a summary of the actions we are taking, which we describe in more detail in the attachment to this letter.




Sounds like an apology in everything but the word "sorry" and "I apologize."

So, from what we know so far, members of Trump's team were spied on. But, we're to believe that he himself wasn't? Barr thinks there was spying. What does he know, though? Not as much as the Shroomery, apparently.

Obviously, though, and to be serious (about the only time in this post) like many things in life, you may have to use common sense and not rely on what this or that news article (or gov't dept) says but read past the headlines. The comments here are telling in their lack. With their snideness and smugness (that you'd think Democrats would, at long last, have tired of or at least seen that it was backfiring on them, but alas, nope!) and with who is upvoted and who isn't as that's the real proof of who's right and who's wrong.

Ah, what else? I give a shit about whether the headline is true? Headlines often aren't even written by the authors of articles. This goes even for the Democratic Media Complex of NYTs, WaPo, CNN, NBC, MSNBC, HuffPo, LA Times, Seattle Times, O Live, New Yorker, Vanity Fair, GQ, The Root, Time, US News, Slate, Salon, Atlantic, Variety, Heavy, Vox, Consequence of Sound, IndieWire, Rolling Stone, Vice, NPR, PBS, and on down to Comedy Central, SNL, Bill Maher and other assorted Golden Globes / PedoWood puppets like Alec Baldwin, DeNiro, Dustin "I Haven't Raped Anyone Recent Though" Hoffman, Kevin "Bill Clinton Really Gets Me" Spacey and, you're friend and mine, endless astroturfers on various websites like Reddit etc etc etc JournoList Google  (and more!),  pushing talking points as they sits at a desk outside DC sucking that salty government teat and defending Moloch.

Funny, though. The "newofficialwebsiteofmediabiastotellyouwhotolistentoandwhonot", that someone linked to. As if the other DNC affiliated, Leftie run sites that were all the rage a scant decade back just aren't doing the trick anymore. You know, the ones that were supposedly "unbiased" and dedicated to informing the public of bias ...weren't enough, I guess. "Let's add another!" I liked that. "This one will have kewl graphics! The kids love that!" :laugh:

Ah well. Libs never learn and piss in their own cereal weekly.

People would rather tune out from news and Hollywood, mainsteam produced media altogether than be talked down to by smug sexual predators and drug addicts who hate them.

American Greatness, American Conservative, American Affairs, (pretty much anything with 'America' in the title as that's like poison ivy to the Left who prefers shitting on the country that hosts them and from which, no matter how much they promise, they'll never, ever leave), TakiMag, Commentary, The Federalist, The Quietus, Epoch Times, Robert Crumb, classical liberals of a mere ten years ago that the cult of edgy Leftist Outrage has now placed upon their sacrificial pyre,  meh, url=https://archive.is/76L3Z]a bunch more[/url] are also good sources of orange v blue morality and non-DNC approved content.

Sorry to prattle. I'm super mad now that you all can't behave better than this. Now...my head hurts. Bella ciao! Ta!





So there is zero evidence that the FBI spied on Trump but you don't like the left so you composed this really long long post with numerous references to sexual perversion because.....why?


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    #26432650 - 01/14/20 07:02 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

To show off his campy alt-right writing style


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    #26432869 - 01/14/20 09:38 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

The investigation is not over.  John Durham is investigation these allegations.  The IG didn't have the purview or the ability to call a grand jury, indict, or anything else.

https://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-news-john-durham-horowitz-william-barr-20200113-20200105-z4vqvkwut5eqzprtm75kcoie7u-story.html

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    #26432914 - 01/14/20 10:08 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

That bombshell IG report is always right around the corner


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    #26433006 - 01/14/20 11:30 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

it already came out.


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    #26433010 - 01/14/20 11:35 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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It came out.  The John Durham investigation is far more telling.


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So Hillary’s finally going to prison?


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    #26433316 - 01/14/20 02:22 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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Do you mean outside of Seymour Hersh saying a high ranking FBI official told him they found evidence on Seth Rich's computer that he was working with WikiLeaks?  And outside the fact that everything the FBI had on Seth Rich was classified TOP SECRET?  And outside the fact that Julian Assange said it wasn't Russia?



Wait. You just claimed the FBI didn’t search his computer, and now you’re saying the FBI found eveidnce on his computer. Which is it?



No.  The FBI claimed it didn't check Seth Rich's computer, but Seymour Hersh says a high ranking FBI official told him they did.

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The claim that the FBI has info on Seth rich that is classified is a totally absurd claim. This was the FOIA request you are referring to, and it’s from the NSA not the FBI.

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All documents, records, or communications referencing or containing communications between Seth Rich and any of the following: Julian Assange, Wikileaks, Kim Dotcom, Aaron Rich, Shawn Lucas, Kelsey Mulka, Imran Awan, Abid Awan, Jamal Awan, Hina Alvi, Rao Abbas, and/or any person or entity outside of the United States.




This was the response:
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Your request has been processed under the provisions of the FOIA. Fifteen documents (32 pages) responsive to your request have been reviewed by this Agency as required by the FOIA and have found to be currently and properly classified in accordance with Executive Order 13526




The only thing you can conclude from this is that details of Seth Rich’s communications with any of those people list, which includes literally every single person in the world not inside the US have been classified. What is the significance of that?



They classified it TOP SECRET.  "Top Secret shall be applied to information, the unauthorized disclosure of which reasonably could be expected to cause 'exceptionally grave damage' to the national security".  Why would anything about Seth Rich be of exceptionally grave damage to our national security???

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Pretty sure the government cannot release the details of private communications between an American and others without a court order. It certainly doesn’t mean rich was in contact with Wikileaks. That is an absurd leap.



I didn't say he was the leaker.  I said he might have been.  For you to claim he wasn't given that nobody even checked his computer is an absurd leap.

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These claims, like most conspiracy theories, simply crumble under the most gentle of scrutiny.



Well then, let's hear some scrutiny!  :popcorn:

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If it’s not evidence of anything then there is no reason to search his computer

Why don’t you explain the probable cause you believe exists for law enforcement to search his computer.



To rule him out as the WikiLeaks leaker, which is what his family claims they want to do.


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    #26433366 - 01/14/20 02:44 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

“To rule him out...” is not probable cause. If it was, LE’d be able to search literally anyone.


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    #26433387 - 01/14/20 02:55 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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“To rule him out...” is not probable cause. If it was, LE’d be able to search literally anyone.



Fine.  But I disagree with koods' logic that because Seth's computer isn't subject to search, that somehow means he couldn't have given WikiLeaks the files.


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    #26433430 - 01/14/20 03:13 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

He never said he COULDNT. Just that he didn’t. That’s generally accepted, so it should be disputed with proof, not conspiracy theories.

Believing everything you see in MSM is dumb. But Assuming everything MSM reports is a lie is way dumber. It’s the same trap, except you’re “catching” yourself in it lol


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: feldman114]
    #26433454 - 01/14/20 03:27 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

Again, I never said I know Seth Rich was the leaker, I said we can't know that he wasn't.  Saying he didn't do it is dumber than saying he may have done it.

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...it should be disputed with proof, not conspiracy theories.



Agreed.

Which of the following do you feel is a conspiracy theory?

1.  The FBI said they never checked Seth Rich's computer.
2.  Seymour Hersh said a high ranking FBI official told him they found evidence on Seth Rich's computer that he was working with WikiLeaks.
3.  The US Government classified their information on Seth Rich TOP SECRET.
4.  The US Government never proved the Russian Government gave the emails to Wikileaks
5.  Julian Assange said he didn't get the emails from Russia


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26433489 - 01/14/20 03:47 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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2.  Seymour Hersh said a high ranking FBI official told him they found evidence on Seth Rich's computer that he was working with WikiLeaks.





This is from wikipedia


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Seth Rich[edit]
On August 1, 2017, Hersh was interviewed by National Public Radio for a story on a lawsuit related to an investigation into the 2016 death of former Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich. In the interview, Hersh denied a claim by investigator Ed Butowsky that Hersh had said he'd spoken to a Federal Bureau of Investigation source who confirmed the existence of information on Rich's laptop computer showing he had been in contact with WikiLeaks prior to his death. In the NPR interview, Hersh dismissed the claim as "gossip".[91]




This is the reference, "91"

Behind Fox News' Baseless Seth Rich Story: The Untold Tale


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26433497 - 01/14/20 03:52 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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Hersh denied a claim by investigator Ed Butowsky that Hersh had said he'd spoken to a Federal Bureau of Investigation source who confirmed the existence of information on Rich's laptop computer showing he had been in contact with WikiLeaks prior to his death. In the NPR interview, Hersh dismissed the claim as "gossip".



Here's the interview.  Well worth a listen:



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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26433555 - 01/14/20 04:30 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

1. Is a fact.
2. Is meaningless, inadmissible hearsay.
3. Can mean 1000 different things. Doesn’t have to be related to be classified.
4. Is irrelevant and doesn’t prove anything.
5. Assange is not a source of evidence. Also, see 2.


Irrefutable proof is hard to find, even when the crime WAS committed. Just ask Mueller.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26433559 - 01/14/20 04:33 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

Seymour Hersh knows damn well what happens to people that rat on the Western Governments (see Bradley Manning, Julian Assange, etc).

He even said in the interview "I met Julian 10-12 years ago.  I stay the fuck away from people like that.  When I'm London, I always get a message saying 'come see me at the Ecuadorian embassy'.  I say 'fuck you, I ain't going there'.  I've got enough trouble without getting photographed.  He's under total surveillance by everybody".


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26433569 - 01/14/20 04:38 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

yeah, not like those lucky bastards who rat on Russia and get their children poisoned with nerve gas.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: feldman114]
    #26433574 - 01/14/20 04:40 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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1. Is a fact.
2. Is meaningless, inadmissible hearsay.
3. Can mean 1000 different things. Doesn’t have to be related to be classified.
4. Is irrelevant and doesn’t prove anything.
5. Assange is not a source of evidence. Also, see 2.


Irrefutable proof is hard to find, even when the crime WAS committed. Just ask Mueller.



I'll say again, I realize this doesn't prove Seth Rich gave information to WikiLeaks.  But it's more proof than we have showing Seth Rich didn't leak the evidence.  Or am I missing something?


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26433582 - 01/14/20 04:44 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

I may not be comprehending something but it seems to me like youre inflating a big nothing burger to be a delicious 1/4 pounder with something on it.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #26433587 - 01/14/20 04:47 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

Again, I'm not saying Seth Rich is the leaker.

I'm saying we can't know that he is not the leaker, as has been claimed.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26433598 - 01/14/20 05:02 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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Again, I'm not saying Seth Rich is the leaker.

I'm saying we can't know that he is not the leaker, as has been claimed.




The same can be said about you...wait a minute...it all makes sense now.

Unless....omg...it’s me! I’m the leaker!

Prove that I’m not. You can’t! Therefore I am. (Your entire argument)
Here’s what you’re “missing”: no one is TRYING to prove he didn’t do it. That’s why there’s no proof.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: feldman114] * 1
    #26433658 - 01/14/20 05:49 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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omg...it’s me! I’m the leaker!

Prove that I’m not. You can’t! Therefore I am. (Your entire argument)



No.  I don't know how many times I have to say this before you get it.  I'm NOT saying Seth is the leaker.  I'm saying there is more evidence Seth is the leaker than there is he is not.  And there is no evidence you are the leaker, although I certainly agree it is possible.

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Here’s what you’re “missing”: no one is TRYING to prove he didn’t do it.



You must have missed is all of koods' many posts above saying this was "debunked" and "rebutted".

At least you appear to be smarter than he is.


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