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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26432376 - 01/13/20 11:17 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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Someone else brought up Seth rich as an example of the kinds of conspiracy mongering  and yellow journalism OAN engages in.



Right, and I pointed out that they were correct in that there was no evidence of chemical attacks in Douma, and that there are still questions about Seth Rich.




There are no questions about Rich. There was no reason to search his computers.There is no reason to believe he was in contact with Wikileaks. If Seth Rich was providing documents to Wikileaks then why did Julian Asaange bring up his name considering they do not name their sources. This entire narrative is part of a Russian disinformation campaign intended to keep the waters muddy about their involvement in hacking the DNC.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: koods]
    #26432377 - 01/13/20 11:18 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

Why didn't DNC hand over their servers to the FBI?


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: eieio]
    #26432388 - 01/13/20 11:25 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

Lol

The servers aren’t actual computers sitting dedicated in the DNC office. They used an email service and the emails were stored remotely, in the cloud and on massive systems hosting emails for thousand of entities.

If someone asked you to turn over your server, would that demand even make sense? No.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: koods]
    #26432414 - 01/13/20 11:52 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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There are no questions about Rich. There was no reason to search his computers.  There is no reason to believe he was in contact with Wikileaks.



You're right if your goal was to make sure you don't rule out Russia as a leaker.  Oh wait, that WAS the goal?  My bad,  there was no reason to search his computers.

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This entire narrative is part of a Russian disinformation campaign intended to keep the waters muddy about their involvement in hacking the DNC.



Oh good lord, you still believe in Russia-gate?  Then take my signature bet.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26432429 - 01/14/20 12:22 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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There are no questions about Rich. There was no reason to search his computers.  There is no reason to believe he was in contact with Wikileaks.



You're right if your goal was to make sure you don't rule out Russia as a leaker.  Oh wait, that WAS the goal?  My bad,  there was no reason to search his computers..




The evidence pointed to Russia, the forensics confirmed it. There was no evidence or anything to suggest Seth Rich had anything to do with the hacks or leaks. Being murdered and working for the DNC is not evidence of anything you want it to be.

Just try to use a little common sense here: if Wikileaks vows to protect its sources, then why in the hell would Julian Assange bring his name up in a conversation where he just said they don’t reveal their sources?

If some unknown guy named bob smith was your source, then saying “there’s a guy named bob smith you should be looking into” is a fucking absurd way shield his identity.

Conversely, if Rich was a source and he’s been murdered, then why the fuck wouldn’t Wikileaks reveal such information. Certainly providing law enforcement information about potential politically motivated murder outweighs protecting the identity of a dead person.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: koods]
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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: koods]
    #26432465 - 01/14/20 01:36 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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The evidence pointed to Russia, the forensics confirmed it. There was no evidence or anything to suggest Seth Rich had anything to do with the hacks or leaks.



Do you mean outside of Seymour Hersh saying a high ranking FBI official told him they found evidence on Seth Rich's computer that he was working with WikiLeaks?  And outside the fact that everything the FBI had on Seth Rich was classified TOP SECRET?  And outside the fact that Julian Assange said it wasn't Russia?

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Being murdered and working for the DNC is not evidence of anything you want it to be.



I never said his murder was evidence of anything, nor do I want it to be.  That's you make believing again.

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Just try to use a little common sense here: if Wikileaks vows to protect its sources, then why in the hell would Julian Assange bring his name up in a conversation where he just said they don’t reveal their sources?

If some unknown guy named bob smith was your source, then saying “there’s a guy named bob smith you should be looking into” is a fucking absurd way shield his identity.



What do you think they are protecting a dead guy from?

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Conversely, if Rich was a source and he’s been murdered, then why the fuck wouldn’t Wikileaks reveal such information. Certainly providing law enforcement information about potential politically motivated murder outweighs protecting the identity of a dead person.



I'm not claiming the DNC murdered Seth Rich.  Nor is Assange.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26432468 - 01/14/20 01:42 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

How would Seth's family know if this Seth leaked any information to Wikileaks?

If I were Seth's family, I'd also be asking the FBI to declassify what they classified as Top Secret about Seth.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26432499 - 01/14/20 02:19 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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Do you mean outside of Seymour Hersh saying a high ranking FBI official told him they found evidence on Seth Rich's computer that he was working with WikiLeaks?  And outside the fact that everything the FBI had on Seth Rich was classified TOP SECRET?  And outside the fact that Julian Assange said it wasn't Russia?




Wait. You just claimed the FBI didn’t search his computer, and now you’re saying the FBI found eveidnce on his computer. Which is it? Where is the FBI investigation?

The claim that the FBI has info on Seth rich that is classified is a totally absurd claim. This was the FOIA request you are referring to, and it’s from the NSA not the FBI.

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All documents, records, or communications referencing or containing communications between Seth Rich and any of the following: Julian Assange, Wikileaks, Kim Dotcom, Aaron Rich, Shawn Lucas, Kelsey Mulka, Imran Awan, Abid Awan, Jamal Awan, Hina Alvi, Rao Abbas, and/or any person or entity outside of the United States.




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Your request has been processed under the provisions of the FOIA. Fifteen documents (32 pages) responsive to your request have been reviewed by this Agency as required by the FOIA and have found to be currently and properly classified in accordance with Executive Order 13526




The only thing you can conclude from this is that details of Seth Rich’s communications with any of those people list, which includes literally every single person in the world not inside the US have been classified. What is the significance of that? Pretty sure the government cannot release the details of private communications between an American and others without a court order. It certainly doesn’t mean rich was in contact with Wikileaks. That is an absurd leap.

These claims, like most conspiracy theories, simply crumble under the most gentle of scrutiny.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: koods]
    #26432501 - 01/14/20 02:23 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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I never said his murder was evidence of anything, nor do I want it to be. 



If it’s not evidence of anything then there is no reason to search his computer

Why don’t you explain the probable cause you believe exists for law enforcement to search his computer.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26432590 - 01/14/20 05:18 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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What anger?

That post sounds like something that so-called news site would say.



The right tends to call anything in opposition to their own beliefs and opinions angry or deranged. Especially if its more than one sentence long.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: eieio] * 1
    #26432644 - 01/14/20 06:38 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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lol, good ol Shroomery politics board. Can't believe I was talking this place up elsewhere, though. What was I thinking?

Anyways, more details getting leaked about 'Crossfire Hurricane', and this from the report which , though apparently elusive for the posters here, I found in 30 secs and 5 mouseclicks...

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The Report concludes that the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane investigation and related investigations of certain individuals were opened in 2016 for an authorized purpose and with adequate factual predication. The Report also details instances in which certain FBI personnel, at times during the 2016-2017 period reviewed by the OIG, did not comply with existing policies, neglected to exercise appropriate diligence, or otherwise failed to meet the standard of conduct that the FBI expects of its employees — and that our country expects of the FBI. We are vested with significant authorities, and it is our obligation as public servants to ensure that these authorities are exercised with objectivity and integrity. Anything less falls short of the FBI’s duty to the American people.

Accordingly, the FBI accepts the Report’s findings and embraces the need for thoughtful, meaningful remedial action.

I have ordered more than 40 corrective steps to address the Report’s recommendations. Because our credibility and brand are central to fulfilling our mission, we are also making improvements beyond those recommended by the OIG. And where certain individuals have been referred by the OIG for review of their conduct, the FBI will not hesitate to take appropriate disciplinary action if warranted at the completion of the required procedures for disciplinary review.

Below is a summary of the actions we are taking, which we describe in more detail in the attachment to this letter.




Sounds like an apology in everything but the word "sorry" and "I apologize."

So, from what we know so far, members of Trump's team were spied on. But, we're to believe that he himself wasn't? Barr thinks there was spying. What does he know, though? Not as much as the Shroomery, apparently.

Obviously, though, and to be serious (about the only time in this post) like many things in life, you may have to use common sense and not rely on what this or that news article (or gov't dept) says but read past the headlines. The comments here are telling in their lack. With their snideness and smugness (that you'd think Democrats would, at long last, have tired of or at least seen that it was backfiring on them, but alas, nope!) and with who is upvoted and who isn't as that's the real proof of who's right and who's wrong.

Ah, what else? I give a shit about whether the headline is true? Headlines often aren't even written by the authors of articles. This goes even for the Democratic Media Complex of NYTs, WaPo, CNN, NBC, MSNBC, HuffPo, LA Times, Seattle Times, O Live, New Yorker, Vanity Fair, GQ, The Root, Time, US News, Slate, Salon, Atlantic, Variety, Heavy, Vox, Consequence of Sound, IndieWire, Rolling Stone, Vice, NPR, PBS, and on down to Comedy Central, SNL, Bill Maher and other assorted Golden Globes / PedoWood puppets like Alec Baldwin, DeNiro, Dustin "I Haven't Raped Anyone Recent Though" Hoffman, Kevin "Bill Clinton Really Gets Me" Spacey and, you're friend and mine, endless astroturfers on various websites like Reddit etc etc etc JournoList Google  (and more!),  pushing talking points as they sits at a desk outside DC sucking that salty government teat and defending Moloch.

Funny, though. The "newofficialwebsiteofmediabiastotellyouwhotolistentoandwhonot", that someone linked to. As if the other DNC affiliated, Leftie run sites that were all the rage a scant decade back just aren't doing the trick anymore. You know, the ones that were supposedly "unbiased" and dedicated to informing the public of bias ...weren't enough, I guess. "Let's add another!" I liked that. "This one will have kewl graphics! The kids love that!" :laugh:

Ah well. Libs never learn and piss in their own cereal weekly.

People would rather tune out from news and Hollywood, mainsteam produced media altogether than be talked down to by smug sexual predators and drug addicts who hate them.

American Greatness, American Conservative, American Affairs, (pretty much anything with 'America' in the title as that's like poison ivy to the Left who prefers shitting on the country that hosts them and from which, no matter how much they promise, they'll never, ever leave), TakiMag, Commentary, The Federalist, The Quietus, Epoch Times, Robert Crumb, classical liberals of a mere ten years ago that the cult of edgy Leftist Outrage has now placed upon their sacrificial pyre,  meh, url=https://archive.is/76L3Z]a bunch more[/url] are also good sources of orange v blue morality and non-DNC approved content.

Sorry to prattle. I'm super mad now that you all can't behave better than this. Now...my head hurts. Bella ciao! Ta!





So there is zero evidence that the FBI spied on Trump but you don't like the left so you composed this really long long post with numerous references to sexual perversion because.....why?


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26432650 - 01/14/20 07:02 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

To show off his campy alt-right writing style


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26432869 - 01/14/20 09:38 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

The investigation is not over.  John Durham is investigation these allegations.  The IG didn't have the purview or the ability to call a grand jury, indict, or anything else.

https://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-news-john-durham-horowitz-william-barr-20200113-20200105-z4vqvkwut5eqzprtm75kcoie7u-story.html

Go ahead and whine about it BJ.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: starfire_xes]
    #26432914 - 01/14/20 10:08 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

That bombshell IG report is always right around the corner


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: koods]
    #26433006 - 01/14/20 11:30 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

it already came out.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: starfire_xes]
    #26433010 - 01/14/20 11:35 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

another dud huh


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: koods]
    #26433011 - 01/14/20 11:38 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

It came out.  The John Durham investigation is far more telling.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: starfire_xes]
    #26433015 - 01/14/20 11:43 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

So Hillary’s finally going to prison?


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