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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26431634 - 01/13/20 03:32 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

No. We’ve already been down that path. It’s is pointless and his thread is about another topic.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: koods]
    #26431635 - 01/13/20 03:33 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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I used to work at NIH. Are they ok?




Probably not but if you say they are I will go with that LOL


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: koods] * 1
    #26431636 - 01/13/20 03:33 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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get that people have pet theories and their egos make it hard for them to give it up, especially when they’ve been so public about it, but JFC this Seth rich thing is beyond absurd at this point






Russia started it , then Fox News aired it as a real thing and had to retract it 8 days later .  If people are going to keep putting it out there then they shouldn’t be mad about being called Putin’s press secretary .


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #26431637 - 01/13/20 03:33 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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You are just someone who will believe what you want to believe regardless of the facts.



I care about the facts.  Let's talk about them, since it's usually you who doesn't care about them.

1.  The FBI said they never checked Seth Rich's computer.  Why not???
2.  Seymour Hersh said a high ranking FBI official told him they found evidence on Seth Rich's computer that he was indeed working with WikiLeaks.
3.  The FBI classified all their information about Seth Rich TOP SECRET.  Why?
4.  The FBI never proved the Russian Government gave the emails to Wikileaks, even if they believe Russia had the emails from spying
5.  Julian Assange said he didn't get the emails from Russia


Where's your facts that you say you care so much about?  :popcorn:




Yes we’ve been through all of this before. You’re wrong about most of this stuff. I’m not gong to continue talking about something already settled everywhere except in your agenda driven head.




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If we are going to debate Seth Rich, we should perform some necromancy and resurrect one of the many Seth Rich threads I'm sure are here. Continuing this silly thread is pointless.



Either one of you should feel free to provide evidence that any of the 5 points above are wrong.  :popcorn:




Why?

Because this thread went from the FBI apologizing(which it didn't) to some random shit about Seth Rich? No thanks. Sorry, I'll save the circle jerk for something else.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: christopera]
    #26431655 - 01/13/20 03:43 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

You don’t find “ Julian Asange said he didn’t “” compelling evidence ?


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26431685 - 01/13/20 03:55 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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1.  The FBI said they ne



 
  Gunna guess it’s because Seth was not under investigation , they would need a warrant to do that .
  They don’t search victims computers  that weren’t stolen . Why would you , unless you start with the premise  Hillary did it . Just a guess.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26431689 - 01/13/20 04:00 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

There are mythical knights that also say ne


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: koods]
    #26431729 - 01/13/20 04:32 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

I’ll be honest there are many things  I’m not great at , copy paste is one of them .


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: christopera]
    #26431891 - 01/13/20 06:06 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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No. We’ve already been down that path. It’s is pointless and his thread is about another topic.



Pointless because those facts remain even after our discussion.

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Russia started it...  If people are going to keep putting it out there then they shouldn’t be mad about being called Putin’s press secretary .



Either "Putin's press secretary" or "on the side that won't make believe for America".

Notice here how everyone's crying about these points instead of rebutting them.

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...this thread went from the FBI apologizing(which it didn't) to some random shit about Seth Rich? No thanks.



Two things:

1.  The FBI did apologize, according to the New York Times
2.  JohnRainy brought up Seth Rich, not me, though I won't ask you to rebut the evidence if you are unable to.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26431900 - 01/13/20 06:11 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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Notice here how everyone's crying about the evidence instead of rebutting it.




No it’s all been rebutted over the years by numerous posters in numerous threads and numerous times. You’re not interested in the facts. You simply want to muddy the waters and make it seem like you’re just trying to get to the bottom of things. Most of us have just gotten tired of you rehashing topics that have been retired by everyone except you.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: koods]
    #26431919 - 01/13/20 06:33 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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Two things:

1.  The FBI did apologize, according to the New York Times
2.  JohnRainy brought up Seth Rich, not me, though I won't ask you to rebut the evidence if you are unable to.




Christioher Wray told THE COURT the FBI regretted the omission and errors in the Carter Page application, which was identified in the IG report.

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The FBI has the utmost respect for this Court, and deeply regrets the errors and omissions identified by the [Office of the Inspector General]. The OIG Report and the affiliated Rule 13(a) letters describe conduct that is unacceptable and unrepresentative of the FBI as an institution. FISA is an indispensable tool in national security investigations, and in recognition of our duty of candor to the Court and our responsibilities to the American people, the FBI is committed to working with the Court and DOJ to ensure the accuracy and completeness of the FISA process.




This thread is about how the FBI supposedly admitted and apologized for illegally wiretapping the president. The FBI did not admit the wiretaps were illegal. The FBI wiretaps did not target trump. The FBI did not appologize for the wiretaps. The FBI did not appologize to anyone except the FISA court.

Someone else brought up Seth rich as an example of the kinds of conspiracy mongering  and yellow journalism OAN engages in.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: koods]
    #26431921 - 01/13/20 06:34 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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No it’s all been rebutted over the years by numerous posters in numerous threads and numerous times.



Source?  Or make believe?

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You’re not interested in the facts. You simply want to muddy the waters and make it seem like you’re just trying to get to the bottom of things.



Why don't you list some of "the facts" that you think I'm not interested in?

Or do you consider a "fact" to be something somebody said that you like to make believe is true, like Trump colluding with Russia?

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Most of us have just gotten tired of you rehashing topics that have been retired by everyone except you.



I'll retire anything that's actually been rebutted.  You and I have a very different standard of truth.  When I hear "Iraq has WMDs" or "Trump colluded with Russia", I say "show me the proof", you simply say "it's settled".


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: koods]
    #26431931 - 01/13/20 06:38 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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Someone else brought up Seth rich as an example of the kinds of conspiracy mongering  and yellow journalism OAN engages in.



Right, and I pointed out that they were correct in that there was no evidence of chemical attacks in Douma, and that there are still questions about Seth Rich.

I'll agree that they appear to have gotten this one wrong based on the text they posted with their video.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26432147 - 01/13/20 08:41 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

From you article;

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WASHINGTON — A chastened F.B.I. told a secretive court on Friday that it was increasing training and oversight for officials who work on national security wiretap applications in response to problems uncovered by a scathing inspector general report last month about botched surveillance targeting a former Trump campaign adviser.




From this thread;

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FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology




A former Trump campaign adviser isn't "President Trump".

Seems pretty simple. Not sure why this thread chugs on.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: christopera] * 1
    #26432285 - 01/13/20 10:06 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

lol, good ol Shroomery politics board. Can't believe I was talking this place up elsewhere, though. What was I thinking?

Anyways, more details getting leaked about 'Crossfire Hurricane', and this from the report which , though apparently elusive for the posters here, I found in 30 secs and 5 mouseclicks...

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The Report concludes that the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane investigation and related investigations of certain individuals were opened in 2016 for an authorized purpose and with adequate factual predication. The Report also details instances in which certain FBI personnel, at times during the 2016-2017 period reviewed by the OIG, did not comply with existing policies, neglected to exercise appropriate diligence, or otherwise failed to meet the standard of conduct that the FBI expects of its employees — and that our country expects of the FBI. We are vested with significant authorities, and it is our obligation as public servants to ensure that these authorities are exercised with objectivity and integrity. Anything less falls short of the FBI’s duty to the American people.

Accordingly, the FBI accepts the Report’s findings and embraces the need for thoughtful, meaningful remedial action.

I have ordered more than 40 corrective steps to address the Report’s recommendations. Because our credibility and brand are central to fulfilling our mission, we are also making improvements beyond those recommended by the OIG. And where certain individuals have been referred by the OIG for review of their conduct, the FBI will not hesitate to take appropriate disciplinary action if warranted at the completion of the required procedures for disciplinary review.

Below is a summary of the actions we are taking, which we describe in more detail in the attachment to this letter.




Sounds like an apology in everything but the word "sorry" and "I apologize."

So, from what we know so far, members of Trump's team were spied on. But, we're to believe that he himself wasn't? Barr thinks there was spying. What does he know, though? Not as much as the Shroomery, apparently.

Obviously, though, and to be serious (about the only time in this post) like many things in life, you may have to use common sense and not rely on what this or that news article (or gov't dept) says but read past the headlines. The comments here are telling in their lack. With their snideness and smugness (that you'd think Democrats would, at long last, have tired of or at least seen that it was backfiring on them, but alas, nope!) and with who is upvoted and who isn't as that's the real proof of who's right and who's wrong.

Ah, what else? I give a shit about whether the headline is true? Headlines often aren't even written by the authors of articles. This goes even for the Democratic Media Complex of NYTs, WaPo, CNN, NBC, MSNBC, HuffPo, LA Times, Seattle Times, O Live, New Yorker, Vanity Fair, GQ, The Root, Time, US News, Slate, Salon, Atlantic, Variety, Heavy, Vox, Consequence of Sound, IndieWire, Rolling Stone, Vice, NPR, PBS, and on down to Comedy Central, SNL, Bill Maher and other assorted Golden Globes / PedoWood puppets like Alec Baldwin, DeNiro, Dustin "I Haven't Raped Anyone Recent Though" Hoffman, Kevin "Bill Clinton Really Gets Me" Spacey and, you're friend and mine, endless astroturfers on various websites like Reddit etc etc etc JournoList Google+ (and more!),  pushing talking points as they sits at a desk outside DC sucking that salty government teat and defending Moloch.

Funny, though. The "newofficialwebsiteofmediabiastotellyouwhotolistentoandwhonot", that someone linked to. As if the other DNC affiliated, Leftie run sites that were all the rage a scant decade back just aren't doing the trick anymore. You know, the ones that were supposedly "unbiased" and dedicated to informing the public of bias ...weren't enough, I guess. "Let's add another!" I liked that. "This one will have kewl graphics! The kids love that!" :laugh:

Ah well. Libs never learn and piss in their own cereal weekly.

People would rather tune out from news and Hollywood, mainsteam produced media altogether than be talked down to by smug sexual predators and drug addicts who hate them.

American Greatness, American Conservative, American Affairs, (pretty much anything with 'America' in the title as that's like poison ivy to the Left who prefers shitting on the country that hosts them and from which, no matter how much they promise, they'll never, ever leave), TakiMag, Commentary, The Federalist, The Quietus, Epoch Times, Robert Crumb, classical liberals of a mere ten years ago that the cult of edgy Leftist Outrage has now placed upon their sacrificial pyre,  meh, url=https://archive.is/76L3Z]a bunch more[/url] are also good sources of orange v blue morality and non-DNC approved content.

Sorry to prattle. I'm super mad now that you all can't behave better than this. Now...my head hurts. Bella ciao! Ta!


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: eieio] * 1
    #26432309 - 01/13/20 10:20 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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So, from what we know so far, members of Trump's team were spied on. But, we're to believe that he himself wasn't? Barr thinks there was spying. What does he know, though




The IG report says nothing about Trump being spied on. There is no evidence trump was wiretapped. There were no illegal wiretaps. There were issues with some of the reauthorizations, and questions about the appropriateness of those later wiretaps, but that doesn’t make them illegal. At most, it would make them inadmissible. The FBI acknowledged and regretted those issues in a statement made to the FISA court.

The FBI did not admit to illegally wiretapping the president or anyone. The FBI did not apologize for wiretapping anyone. The FBI did not apologize to the president .


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: koods] * 3
    #26432315 - 01/13/20 10:23 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

You sound obsessed and angry. Please, calm down.

Also, you seem really, really sure of something that, probably, nobody here really knows for sure.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: eieio]
    #26432326 - 01/13/20 10:34 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

What anger?

That post sounds like something that so-called news site would say.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26432331 - 01/13/20 10:42 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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From you article;

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WASHINGTON — A chastened F.B.I. told a secretive court on Friday that it was increasing training and oversight for officials who work on national security wiretap applications in response to problems uncovered by a scathing inspector general report last month about botched surveillance targeting a former Trump campaign adviser.




From this thread;

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FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology




A former Trump campaign adviser isn't "President Trump".

Seems pretty simple. Not sure why this thread chugs on.




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I'll agree that they appear to have gotten this one wrong based on the text they posted with their video.



So I'm not sure why you think I'm still arguing this particular point.

I'm just saying they got some other things right that the mainstream media didn't.


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Re: "FBI admits illegal wiretapping of President Trump, issues apology" [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26432358 - 01/13/20 11:06 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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What anger?

That post sounds like something that so-called news site would say.




This guy’s rages remind me of another poster recently banned, but I can’t rememwber the user name.


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