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OfflineOrange24
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Where to begin
    #26429555 - 01/12/20 11:36 AM (4 years, 17 days ago)

Ok I’m back. I learned what I needed here and you all helped tremendously. My first yield on a bulk sub was enormous. I mean, so many huge mushies you wouldn’t believe it. It worked! Currently drying under a fan for 24 hours then to the desiccant chamber.

Where do we begin? My wife and I both want to have an experience that pushes us towards a deeper level of consciousness and awareness and healing. Yep, might take a couple times, I know that’s a tall order. I’ve only microdosed so far and gotten nothing out of it so many my dose was too small but this was just a small size mushroom picked off the cake for a few days to see. Anywho...

Dose? 1.5g a good starting point? Empty stomach? Does it matter? What do we need to be prepared for other than having no responsibilities that day and things clean and no clutter? We were even thinking about a hike? We live near amazing areas for that. And only one person at a time correct? I just want some sound advice before we go to the other side, we have no idea what to expect.


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Re: Where to begin [Re: Orange24]
    #26429576 - 01/12/20 11:53 AM (4 years, 17 days ago)

Empty stomach never seemed to matter for me. 1.5g is a bit low but it’s good to be cautious, shrooms are a drug that you must respect. You could probably get away with 2.5g without risk though.

There’s a chance one or both of you might become extremely anxious, so I would stay inside for like an hour and a half to make sure ur both chilling before you go somewhere. But assuming you’re both having a good time, which you probably will, then going outside is great! Colors are vivid and nature is simply beautiful even without the trippy effects that make it even better.

Idk if you’ve smoked weed before, but even more than weed music is unbelievable on shrooms. Don’t skimp on it, it will improve your experience tenfold!


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Re: Where to begin [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26429579 - 01/12/20 12:00 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

I say you both do 2.5g-3g

:yinyang:

Both dose the same moment, that way you guys enter the headspace together,
I would say no to hiking with first experiences just stay home and like you said with minimal clutter and decently clean

If you smoke weed take a small puff or two aswell to enhance it , (imo)

Hope you have a nice psychedelic experience!
Nothing quite like it! :sanpedro::acidfire:


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Re: Where to begin [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26429586 - 01/12/20 12:07 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

There's some good info on tripsafe.org

Regarding dosage you will hear two opinions here. One is to start low and the other is to start with a strong dose. The research seems to indicate that for most people it is better to start from a low dose first and increase it in subsequent trips. My first trip was 0.8 g, no visuals, only some visual distortion. I did it combined with music and meditation and it was very good actually.


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Re: Where to begin [Re: Orange24]
    #26429601 - 01/12/20 12:21 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

Many people say 1.5g to 2g is an awesome dose to get your feet wet.  Personally I like to eat something before hand, usually a peanutbutter sandwich, a banana and a glass of orange juice. Most people lose their appetite so its good to have something in you to give you energy for the upcoming hours. 

In my opinion, for lower doses like 1.5g you can both dose at the same time, I think having someone else experiencing the same thing you are would be more beneficial/comforting than a trip sitter (at least in my mind it would).
Hiking is awesome if you can do it in places where you can avoid contact with other humans.
I always like to thank the mushrooms and tell them my intentions, or what I'm looking for out of the experience.
If you end up inside it's nice to have a pre-made playlist to listen to instead of fumbling around trying to load music on youtube with ads flashing in your face or something else.
Keep a pen and paper to write or draw.
Stay hydrated, drink as much water as you can without feeling sick.
Don't dose and drive!
Do whatever feels right to you in the moment, the mushrooms will help you let go and enjoy every millisecond of existence.
Over time you will develop your own ritual because everyone is different and certain things can make the experience easier or harder for each person.
Sorry if I jumped around a lot, hope this helps even a little.
Best of luck on your journey!!
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Keep us updated on your first trip!


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Re: Where to begin [Re: MycoStu]
    #26429604 - 01/12/20 12:24 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

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Many people say 1.5g to 2g is an awesome dose to get your feet wet.  Personally I like to eat something before hand, usually a peanutbutter sandwich, a banana and a glass of orange juice. Most people lose their appetite so its good to have something in you to give you energy for the upcoming hours. 

In my opinion, for lower doses like 1.5g you can both dose at the same time, I think having someone else experiencing the same thing you are would be more beneficial/comforting than a trip sitter (at least in my mind it would).
Hiking is awesome if you can do it in places where you can avoid contact with other humans.
I always like to thank the mushrooms and tell them my intentions, or what I'm looking for out of the experience.
If you end up inside it's nice to have a pre-made playlist to listen to instead of fumbling around trying to load music on youtube with ads flashing in your face or something else.
Keep a pen and paper to write or draw.
Stay hydrated, drink as much water as you can without feeling sick.
Don't dose and drive!
Do whatever feels right to you in the moment, the mushrooms will help you let go and enjoy every millisecond of existence.
Over time you will develop your own ritual because everyone is different and certain things can make the experience easier or harder for each person.
Sorry if I jumped around a lot, hope this helps even a little.
Best of luck on your journey!!
:cheers:
Keep us updated on your first trip!




How do I get out of being so nervous? It’s this unknown that makes me freaked out a bit, but it also borders excitement. Hard to explain. Many suggest cannabis, my wife and I are both unable to use cannabis because our  jobs regularly test


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Re: Where to begin [Re: Orange24]
    #26429610 - 01/12/20 12:28 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

Once it kicks in your nervousness will become excitation,  just lay down and take deep breathz
Meditation and concentration are your best friends on a come-up which is the worst phase of a trip (IMO)

In my experience lower doses like 1.5g usually result in a never breaking through strange weird psychedelic blue balls

You def wanna break on through to the other side
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Re: Where to begin [Re: Korean Jesus] * 1
    #26429623 - 01/12/20 12:41 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

Love the new signature, KJ 👊🏻


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Re: Where to begin [Re: Orange24]
    #26429631 - 01/12/20 12:44 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

Even after years of use I think everyone gets that nervous/excited feeling, I'd say its a good thing. It means you have respect for them and you know there is something more to it than just a recreational drug (not that there is anything wrong with using them in a recreational setting).

You'll never know what to expect until you try it for yourself, words have never done any real justice to explain what it's like, our language just isn't developed enough.  Whatever dose you're thinking about taking, maybe read some trip reports for similar doses, some people are super articulate and can give you a slight glimpse of what to expect.


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Re: Where to begin [Re: MycoStu]
    #26429646 - 01/12/20 01:00 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

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Even after years of use I think everyone gets that nervous/excited feeling, I'd say its a good thing. It means you have respect for them and you know there is something more to it than just a recreational drug (not that there is anything wrong with using them in a recreational setting).

You'll never know what to expect until you try it for yourself, words have never done any real justice to explain what it's like, our language just isn't developed enough.  Whatever dose you're thinking about taking, maybe read some trip reports for similar doses, some people are super articulate and can give you a slight glimpse of what to expect.




I’m guessing 3 grams will suffice for a real experience. I’m just scared. To be honest. But I’m excited because I know there is something to this that I’m genuinely interested in. Great suggestions on using trip reports as a resource. Hopefully I will get the encouragement I need from those. My wife has no hesitations whatsoever, she’s fearless in all her ways haha. She really struggles to know where she’s at emotionally at times even though she’s very emotionally stabile. So this is a tool she believes that will help her gain some traction in being more conscious, aware and present in her own mind and body. I on the other hand and very in tune with my emotions, they tend to rule me. So we are coming at it from opposite ends. I hope this is a good experience.

My yield spent 20 hours in front of the fan and now they’re in the desiccant chamber. Guessing they finish there and will be done in a couple days. They look and feel extremely dry and bendy just from a day by the fan. We shall see. Eat or make a tea? How does one make a mushroom tea and is this an accepted method or just chomp them down? I am wanting to make capsules or a powder once they’re cracked dry. Easy to keep and discrete.


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Re: Where to begin [Re: Orange24]
    #26429656 - 01/12/20 01:10 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

There is really no way around being nervous.  Try tto think of it as being excited instead.  Even experienced people get a little nervous about it.  It's the unknown of what we will feel that we worry about.  Occupy yourself with something chill during the come up and before you know it, you'll be far enough in to not worry about it and by the end you'll wonder why you worried at all.

DO NOT EAT for 3 hours beforehand. This is considered common knowledge here.  If you need to, eat something light and nutritious like a banana. Trips can be severely diminished by eating first.  It's best to eat a couple hours after dosing if you feel like it.

I'd suggest 1.5-2g.  3g for the first time may be a little intense but 2g should still feel like "enough".  Relax and do what feels right at the time.

Also, tea is known to increase the speed and intensity of the come up.  I wouldn't recommend that for your first time.  Just eat them plain or grind them up and put them in capsules if you can find them at a health food store.

Don't overthink it, you'll be fine. Hope you two enjoy yourselves


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Re: Where to begin [Re: Orange24]
    #26429664 - 01/12/20 01:16 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

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How do I get out of being so nervous? It’s this unknown that makes me freaked out a bit, but it also borders excitement. Hard to explain. Many suggest cannabis, my wife and I are both unable to use cannabis because our  jobs regularly test




The playlist suggestion is an excellent one. Meditate and focus on the music. That will help your mind to be at ease. The music will guide the mental images soon enough.


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Re: Where to begin [Re: VP123]
    #26429672 - 01/12/20 01:22 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

Something else to keep in mind..things can change during the course of a trip.  If you feel uncomfortable or your mind goes somewhere you don't like, just let the feeling or thought flow thru you and know that it will pass. Don't fight it as fighting it will only make it stick around longer.  Everything, no matter what, is alright.


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Re: Where to begin [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #26429739 - 01/12/20 02:00 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

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Something else to keep in mind..things can change during the course of a trip.  If you feel uncomfortable or your mind goes somewhere you don't like, just let the feeling or thought flow thru you and know that it will pass. Don't fight it as fighting it will only make it stick around longer.  Everything, no matter what, is alright.




How long should I give myself? Like 4-6 hours? And post trip, is there a hangover?


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Re: Where to begin [Re: Orange24]
    #26429766 - 01/12/20 02:10 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

If you eat them (no tea) most effects wear off after 4-6 hours. There are residual minor effects that can last into the next day but I wouldn't call it a hangover. The only time I've had a hangover is when I had 2 beers also. I know 2 beers doesn't seem like enough to make a hangover but I felt like crap the next day

I hear with tea it comes on much harder and faster and is also done sooner


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Re: Where to begin [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #26429845 - 01/12/20 02:49 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

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If you eat them (no tea) most effects wear off after 4-6 hours. There are residual minor effects that can last into the next day but I wouldn't call it a hangover. The only time I've had a hangover is when I had 2 beers also. I know 2 beers doesn't seem like enough to make a hangover but I felt like crap the next day

I hear with tea it comes on much harder and faster and is also done sooner



Yeah it definitely comes on faster with a tea and the peak, I reckon, is more intense. When the peak starts to wane, I smoke cannabis, which effectively extends the peak (first few minutes after smoking, stuff goes real intense). I get 4 or 5 hours of strong tripping every time. But the come down is almost instant!

Next day I feel great, or if I’ve had a few glasses of wine on the come down, I feel like shit!

Take care


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Re: Where to begin [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26429865 - 01/12/20 03:02 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

DJ ED, interesting that a couple drinks with shrooms gives you a hangover too.  I'm not much of a drinker and wonder if that has something to do with it.  What about you? Are you a regular drinker because I know normally, 2 beers wouldn't give me a hangover but with 2g of shrooms it sure did


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Re: Where to begin [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #26429876 - 01/12/20 03:08 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

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DJ ED, interesting that a couple drinks with shrooms gives you a hangover too.  I'm not much of a drinker and wonder if that has something to do with it.  What about you? Are you a regular drinker because I know normally, 2 beers wouldn't give me a hangover but with 2g of shrooms it sure did



Ahem yes, it’s on my bucket list to get free of the alcohol, or learn moderation. I always go to work everyday, but I generally do more or less a bottle of red wine a night 😱

So a couple of glasses to me is nothing. I also have diabetes; I have noticed that if I cave in to the munchies and eat shit before bed, that also makes me feel terrible the next day.

Sometimes though those damned munchies can be quite powerful, especially when your senses are heightened and your hungry from not eating for 6 hours plus the trip....

You live and learn, brother

Take care
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Re: Where to begin [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26429884 - 01/12/20 03:16 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

Interesting, I avoid alcohol with shrooms ever since then.  I have had the uncontrollable hunger after a dose as well.  A few times, I eat and eat and I still feel like I'm starving even after 4 bowls of cereal.


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    #26430977 - 01/13/20 10:05 AM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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Interesting, I avoid alcohol with shrooms ever since then.  I have had the uncontrollable hunger after a dose as well.  A few times, I eat and eat and I still feel like I'm starving even after 4 bowls of cereal.



That’s exactly where I’m coming from; the urge to eat like a Labrador eating pasta or a horse with a nose bag, can be uncontrollable at times. I’ve been monitoring various things over the last 3 or 4 months, to get my diabetes control much better while tripping, and to reduce the high blood sugars the following day. I have found that when I can maintain discipline and eat a solid meal, rather than munchies, I am fine the next day.

But I also love when I’ve had the house to myself and had an awesome trip for 5 hours, my wife returns and I love some Pink Floyd, some wine and some cannabis with her ✊🏻. I feel so chilled, she loves me during my after glow. Apparently I can be real #### if I haven’t tripped for a while.....Must keep taking the medicine 👊🏻

Mush love
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