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Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today
    #26429308 - 01/12/20 08:43 AM (4 years, 17 days ago)

or before? Say 50 years back.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Pinkerton]
    #26430599 - 01/13/20 02:01 AM (4 years, 16 days ago)

This is a touchy subject that I'd bet 3/4 of this website can't touch with a 10 yard pole without accusing anyone that speaks factually as being "Sexist".

Therefore, I'm sitting this one out, kids, lol.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Loaded Shaman] * 3
    #26431107 - 01/13/20 11:27 AM (4 years, 16 days ago)

By a lot of metrics they're better off, but that doesn't mean they are happier. I don't think happiness is a metric that moves much.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Rahz]
    #26431145 - 01/13/20 11:49 AM (4 years, 16 days ago)

Women have it better today for economic power and having sexual assault claims taken seriously. Women with a more traditional mindset who don't mind being subjugated to a man may prefer the earlier social structure.

But as Rahz said, happiness can be elusive, and people expect more today, which often leads to disappointment.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26431609 - 01/13/20 03:23 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

They have it much better in terms of equality and the ability to be independent.

Also perception.
50 years ago a single independent woman would have probably been frowned upon.

Although that's actually only what, 1970?

So idk...
Things were happening for women around that time.

Girls nowadays can get really fit, take a few pictures and become highly successful Instagram models.

Wasnt possible 50 years ago. :lol: :shrug:


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: hTx]
    #26431616 - 01/13/20 03:27 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

Well Hysteria was cured so that’s good...

Of course women have it better lol. Husbands used to be able to legally rape their wives! It used to be legal to fire women for being pregnant or non-married. Etc.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: feldman114]
    #26431769 - 01/13/20 05:02 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

Quote:

from Ursula K LeGuin's The Wave in the Mind
I am a man. Now you may think I’ve made some kind of silly mistake about gender, or maybe that I’m trying to fool you, because my first name ends in a, and I own three bras, and I’ve been pregnant five times, and other things like that that you might have noticed, little details. But details don’t matter. If we have anything to learn from politicians it’s that details don’t matter. I am a man, and I want you to believe and accept this as a fact, just as I did for many years.
You see, when I was growing up at the time of the Wars of the Medes and Persians and when I went to college just after the Hundred Years War and when I was bringing up my children during the Korean, Cold, and Vietnam Wars, there were no women. Women are a very recent invention. I predate the invention of women by decades. Well, if you insist on pedantic accuracy, women have been invented several times in widely varying localities, but the inventors just didn’t know how to sell the product...




it would suggest that the whole idea of being a woman is quite new, and it would be astonishing if we got something like that right after just a few decades.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: redgreenvines] * 2
    #26432340 - 01/13/20 10:52 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

Better off yes, happier probably no. I think both sexes aren’t necessarily at the pinnacle of happiness right now.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Pinkerton]
    #26432362 - 01/13/20 11:09 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

Better protections and law.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: CountHTML]
    #26432477 - 01/14/20 01:52 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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CountHTML said:
Better off yes, happier probably no.




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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: feldman114]
    #26433001 - 01/14/20 11:22 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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feldman114 said:
Well Hysteria was cured so that’s good...

Of course women have it better lol. Husbands used to be able to legally rape their wives! It used to be legal to fire women for being pregnant or non-married. Etc.




I know. They really should change the word hysterectomy. How rude is that.
I remember movies made in the 40's and 50's where men would fairly routinely slap women to calm them down.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26433920 - 01/14/20 08:19 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

Quote:

Loaded Shaman said:
Quote:

CountHTML said:
Better off yes, happier probably no.







Yes, independent successful women are usually the most miserable people I have seen. Many times they're single and can't find a man that's good enough in their minds. They get into relationship after relationship looking for something they usually can never find.

They're conflicted with their independence and the desire to have a family and children. Many times their indecision leads to growing old without any children at all.

Many times the traditional woman that seeks a family without all the independence has a much more fulfilling life and more overall happiness. I know that's the exact opposite of what the "modern woman" has been taught, but that's usually the reality of the situation.

You can't change millions of years of biological evolution with 50 years of a social movement and have decent success, humans don't work in that manner.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: qman] * 1
    #26434431 - 01/15/20 07:04 AM (4 years, 14 days ago)

yes they do, often in less than 50 years you can have several meaningful revolutions, and we have had that.

the analysis here is way too thin.

first the baseline of having it "good enough" has to be considered:
had life not been good enough before farming, we would not have got to the oppressive social structures that farming and feudalism enabled which we may not have had before (though this is not really 100% clear - as 'oppressive' social orders are observed even in groups of monkeys)

some individuals will suffer even in the best conditions, and others will thrive even in the worst.

our era presents more options than ever before, even if accessing these options is not easy, people can find their way in life to greater variety and satisfaction than ever. Both males and females.

that said, miss grumpypants is not necessarily going to show any satisfaction even if driving a Rolls Royce to her Central Park office where she makes 20 million dollars a year in consulting fees. But that is not because she has it worse, the only thing she may have worse is the extent of her grumpy display which seems to work professionally, and she may come to believe it is real - "oh, woe is me!"


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: qman]
    #26434475 - 01/15/20 07:55 AM (4 years, 14 days ago)

The independent successful women I knew were professors. Most weren't married and none had children.  Going for tenure after a PhD and a postdoc, makes it relatively impossible to have a family (for a female). They were doing what they wanted to do.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #26434480 - 01/15/20 07:59 AM (4 years, 14 days ago)

The only fundamental change was giving women (almost) the same freedoms as men. Whether or not that makes all women happier, it’s definitely good for women in general.

No one is shaming conservative women who choose to stay home. Nothing changed for them. Ironically though, they’re the only ones complaining about the changes.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: feldman114] * 1
    #26439498 - 01/18/20 01:55 AM (4 years, 11 days ago)

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The only fundamental change was giving women (almost) the same freedoms as men. Whether or not that makes all women happier, it’s definitely good for women in general.

No one is shaming conservative women who choose to stay home. Nothing changed for them. Ironically though, they’re the only ones complaining about the changes.




Actually people are shaming them, its not that uncommon for feminist women to shame traditional women in one way or another. And while conservative women may be the ones complaining, that may be because many young women don't always connect their unhappiness to the social changes that have occurred over the past 50 years. If you spoil your kids, they probably won't complain about it but that doesn't mean it won't negatively effect them.  Take my sister for example, she is a big proponent of women's rights and has really bought into the women's oppression narrative. She spent her 20s working toward a phd and casually dating a guy who didn't want kids. Now she is 33 and all of a sudden decided she wants kids but can't find a suitable man and is very lonely. Perhaps she would be happier in a more traditional society. However, I doubt she would ever come to that conclusion. Life is so complex that there are a myriad of other factors she can blame her difficulties on, but it does seem a lot of women (and men) are now struggling to find that sense of fulfillment that comes from marriage and family.

I have read that women are overall less happy than they were 50 years ago.  Assuming that's true, have the changes really been that good for them? I mean how do you define "good" here?


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Peyote Road]
    #26439800 - 01/18/20 07:53 AM (4 years, 11 days ago)

are all women worried about what others are thinking?
are all men?

we all have it easier in many ways now, but this concern of what others may think is worse than ever, even though nowadays we can do more of what we like freely, we tend to conform to the norm more than exploring our new freedoms.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26439884 - 01/18/20 09:10 AM (4 years, 11 days ago)

Different picture, same story..


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Mr. D Green]
    #26445532 - 01/22/20 01:50 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

Of course in many ways better off,
but in no way does the USA at present have equality for women;
unequal wages for the same job being one issue.

also well to remember, the ground lost due to the rise of the 'religious' right,
and the really sad declines under Trump.

....This country actually has dragged its feet historically, every time any group needed better rights protection: child labor, women's right to vote, the list goes on and on.
....Surprisingly many actually believe all the myths they were taught in Elementary school.
So much so that Bush could get away with saying we were "exporting democracy" to Iraq just a few years back.
This country is so fucking dumb, (loosely speaking), even minor 'progress' means one is still surrounded, by what might as well be quite hypnotized folks, which is probably true of most, but not all, counties, and I imagine most don't have the level of arrogant certainty that they are the best.

And as regards the world, sadly many countries are a real horror for women.
Others in Europe are much more civilized as regards maternity leave.

That's about all I think I know on the subject.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Pinkerton] * 1
    #26445837 - 01/22/20 08:41 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

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Pinkerton said:
or before? Say 50 years back.





what do you think OP?


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Kickle]
    #26445926 - 01/22/20 09:25 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

I don’t think any women contributed to this thread. Makes it sorta irrelevant
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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: feldman114]
    #26445931 - 01/22/20 09:28 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

Don't worry, be happy



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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26456069 - 01/27/20 09:56 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

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Loaded Shaman said:

This is a touchy subject that I'd bet 3/4 of this website can't touch with a 10 yard pole without accusing anyone that speaks factually as being "Sexist".

Therefore, I'm sitting this one out, kids, lol.




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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Pinkerton]
    #26456078 - 01/27/20 10:11 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

Obviously women are better off today than 50 years ago.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: nooneman]
    #26456196 - 01/28/20 02:41 AM (4 years, 1 day ago)

abortion rights are being eroded, and the glass ceiling remains.
home ownership is a vanishing opportunity...

what do you think?
for both men and women>


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: nooneman]
    #26456623 - 01/28/20 10:50 AM (4 years, 1 day ago)

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Obviously women are better off today than 50 years ago.




Define "better off".


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: qman] * 1
    #26461009 - 01/30/20 08:35 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I remember reading that the percentage of women who were planning pregnancy varied based on economic outlook. This was true regardless of upbringing and social status, meaning it affected middle class and rich in the same way it affected the poor. So the trend and outlook, and the response of enough/not enough is a measure of expected quality of life except the actual output, a product we can quantify, remains similar across a diverse population.

In the same way, if better means happier, then women (and men) are no better off today. They make do with what they've got and express happiness in similar "quantities" while also expressing unhappiness in similar quantities. A person may get rich and enjoy the benefits for a few years, but if having been poor they may discover that being rich, while easier, is not happier.

So by better off one might judge by equality of rights. Sure, women are better off. So are people of color. This is a good thing but women experience many of the same problems as they always have, and some have argued that the breakdown of relationship models has resulted in less happiness. If a woman tells you her problems, most of the time it has little to do with work or advancement but rather relationship difficulties, mental/physical health issues, and then economic concern which is actually a relative expression of anxiety toward the future based on how one feels.

I guess if the qualifier is whether they're treated more equally under law the obvious answer is yes, though more of them have to work for a living, while often being mothers or single mothers at the same time. The picture becomes less clear. More serfs in the field. Add to that, that people are generally only so happy regardless, it's hard to say women on average are better off simply because they have more rights and economic opportunities.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Rahz]
    #26462130 - 01/31/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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... it's hard to say women on average are better off simply because they have more rights and economic opportunities.




.  But it sure beats, the alternative opposite case. Just consider some Mulism countries, and stoning, etc.! And foot-binding of girls in ancient china. That scene in the Marco Polo mini series is truly horrific. Parts of Africa have some pretty nasty customs too.
.  Just coming to America has been a vast improvement for many.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: laughingdog] * 1
    #26468592 - 02/04/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Women are not better off.
You don't need to be a woman to say this.
I am not sexist for saying it and I could care less what someone feels about my stating the truth.

Yin/Yang.
When either gets out of balance, there is broad suffering.
Women/Men.
When either gets out of balance, there is broad suffering.

Women are unbalanced and in new uncharted waters.
They are taking leisure with this newly found 'freedom' and it is resulting in lots of mistakes and suffering.
Eventually, they will be tempered as they already are by the consequences/mistakes/mishaps of 'free roaming'.

Men are suffering due to this chaos too.
The universe eventually restores balance/order.

Periods of excess/exploration arise... People explore uncharted waters. There's lots of chaos/suffering. The learning lesson and way forward is selected and there is a follow on period of conservative and more streamlined progress.

Nothing was meant to remain the same forever. Thus, the nature of constant movement and progress.
In our present time, we are broadly aware of our capability to manipulate and reshape reality.
Powerful spin masters/upper echelon of society used to maintain this and the societal narrative...
However, they gifted this to the plebs and instead now rule over 'platforms' that take the cut.

Why do all of the hard work when others can do it for you and you can take a cut.
This extends down to the concept of the family unit, relationships, social norms, etc.

We broke from a less chaotic model and are now giving leisure to chaos.
Platforms take a cut.

Women are now essentially under no restrictions and are being thrown to the wilderness. Something that was previously reserved for men more naturally equipped to weather it. No one cares for natures anymore in this post modern society. Things move to rapidly. There's too much money to be made in manipulation. There is no one nurturing/preserving norms anymore. Modern women have been catapulted into this. It frankly is the most profitable form of capitalism... All around chaos/movement/commerce overseen and owned by a platform that takes a cut.

May the best man/woman 'win'/'survive'/'thrive'.. the most ruthless and rootless.
If you think this is good for women or men, or has good intent, I don't know what to tell you.

There's an illusion of control/empowerment and a complete lack of it. This is maintained by platforms exclusively who make structured themselves to make money on both good/bad.. any activity. This compels men and women to run around nonconstructively like chicken heads with no direction.. money/resources/time/attention being shaken out of them.

To highlight some stand out observations :
Casual Sex (pointless/worthless) but the lifestyle is highly profitable.
Lower family formation/Lower bond quality/Lower lifetime achievement...
Bigger gap between rich and poor. Rich people lead traditional lives beyond the spotlight of degeneracy and chaos they promote to plebs. Even say a Nicki Minaj/Cardi B.... or a playboy/male equivalent e-celeb/celeb.

Their 'manipulation' compels more plebs and proles to 'act out' lower paths/engage in more chaotic recklessness that the platform makes the bulk of its money from : contributors and energy uncompensated.

Women are especially prone to this psycho-sphere as they naturally vie for social conformity/social credit/social acceptance/etc. Men don't and tend to figure out the 'bigger game' and fight it to get the most resources for more sound pursuits. This is why there is a continual slide of men and a conformist progression of women inline with the 'bigger agenda' at play.

From a 'God/3rd party' perspective, if you're able to step outside of yourself and this circus, this 'game' is all too hilarious including the swaths caught up in it. The world.. the earth.. Circling in our galaxy in a well crafted solar system in our grand universe of infinite potential and this is the goofy shit/game that captures such an intelligent species. Self-willed Ouroboros.. Quite a sight and cycle :


Under consideration, if a person is not even aware of the 'local game', there's no way they get the greater one at play... This goes for both the wealthy 'platform' billionaire as well as the pleb caught up in it. They're both scales on the surface of a self eating body of suffering/return. I don't get myself broken up/caught up in this cycle of suffering .. and the frivolous idea of : are women better off now than then? Anyone caught up in this idiocy suffers.. no matter male/female... and it's their own choice/path. Not mine. Not my concern beyond understanding the bigger picture. Provides for good entertainment if you're into that kind of thing/can afford yourself the proper seat in the theater to perceive it.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: r00tcmplx] * 1
    #26468601 - 02/04/20 02:18 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Except physical labor, what exactly are men “better conditioned for than women”?

You start you poast with “I’m not sexist”, then proceed to touch on EVERY sexist talking point out there.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Pinkerton]
    #26468621 - 02/04/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Well originally, with people like Susan B. Anthony especially, the intention was to get the vote and to be unrestricted to enter the workplace. Now they have that, and the majority do not seem satisfied. I agree with others that women are certainly not happier, but then no one is. The whole American populace has historically low happiness numbers (for which they are able to poll).

I'm not sure there are any golden ages, and the current age women are in is certainly not one, either. It seems the more concessions that develop for women socioculturally, the feminist groups increasingly demand more. So no, nobody is better off.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: feldman114]
    #26468660 - 02/04/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Except physical labor, what exactly are men “better conditioned for than women”?





Keep roaming wildly in the universe/cosmos and you'll find out.
Keep quickly glancing over wisdom and the truth of its pronouncement you will experience its nature in the flesh.
Keep thinking you are above the natures/laws/forces of the cosmos and you will be 'shown'.

What befalls a man who egotistically fires off their free-will? Who chaotically roams in the wild?
A man who welcomes challenge?
Thus, what will become of a similarly natured woman? Unless of course you believe the cosmos discriminates/is sexist...

Learn not from the lessons of those before you and you will suffer the experience yourself.

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You start you poast with “I’m not sexist”, then proceed to touch on EVERY sexist talking point out there.



The cosmos isn't sexist.
It doesn't discriminate.
It doesn't care what's between your legs.
If you approach it with certain energy, force, reckless abandon... As a ruthless/unhertened force of 'yang'.. As a 'man' .. As a force to be contended with.. it will respond in kind.

Ignore the slain bodies along the road side and you will eventually become one.
Consider yourself Mr/Ms. Badass who can survive and slay the wild and you will be tempered.


The universe doesn't give a shit about your gender and I don't give a shit about those who recklessly challenge it.
You're not a obstruction to my pursuits. No man will ever be or a woman. However, with the wrong attitude/energy, you will be an obstruction to your own ends.  Men held women back? Well now you're free. Enjoy the wild. There's no one coming to your aid or support... Be happy in your choice. Be content. As is the nature of a man born into the world... which wise men realize and temper and seek Yin to balance. If women mistake their nature/abandon it, the universe will balance it with a new form of Yin.

Just a messenger/observer. Do as you please. I have no horse in this race. It's not my funeral


Survival of the fittest. Prosperity of the most savage.
If you enter into this game and contend with the participants, you'll get exactly what you're seeking.


All my dawgs gon' slide, yeah
Bust up in your home, yeah
Home sweet homicide, yeah
All my dawgs is wild niggas, saw your dawg goodbye, yeah
Pet Sematary, I got all your dawgs inside, yeah
Yeah, y'all done lost your mind, yeah
And all my stars aligned, yeah
So all my dawgs gon' shine, yeah
All my dawgs is slimes, yeah
It's war like Vietnam, yeah
Throw that dog a bone, wait...
That might be a bomb, damn


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Enjoy the ride and dance with the wolves. I'm enjoying the show.
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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #26468666 - 02/04/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Well originally, with people like Susan B. Anthony especially, the intention was to get the vote and to be unrestricted to enter the workplace. Now they have that, and the majority do not seem satisfied. I agree with others that women are certainly not happier, but then no one is. The whole American populace has historically low happiness numbers (for which they are able to poll).

I'm not sure there are any golden ages, and the current age women are in is certainly not one, either. It seems the more concessions that develop for women socioculturally, the feminist groups increasingly demand more. So no, nobody is better off.




Nothing has ever changed in the cosmos but the arrangement of the deck chairs :
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Yin/Yang.
When either gets out of balance, there is broad suffering.
Women/Men.
When either gets out of balance, there is broad suffering.

Women are unbalanced and in new uncharted waters.
They are taking leisure with this newly found 'freedom'.. Lots of men are taking leisure with this dynamic even further  and it is resulting in lots of mistakes and suffering.
Eventually, they will be tempered as they already are by the consequences/mistakes/mishaps of 'free roaming'.

Men are suffering due to this chaos too.
The universe eventually restores balance/order.





Quite the show when you remove yourself from the stage.
No horse in the race affords a unique vantage point.
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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: r00tcmplx]
    #26468672 - 02/04/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I don’t think any women contributed to this thread. Makes it sorta irrelevant
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Except physical labor, what exactly are men “better conditioned for than women”?





Keep roaming wildly in the universe/cosmos and you'll find out.
Keep quickly glancing over wisdom and the truth of its pronouncement you will experience its nature in the flesh.
Keep thinking you are above the natures/laws/forces of the cosmos and you will be 'shown'.

What befalls a man who egotistically fires off their free-will? Who chaotically roams in the wild?
A man who welcomes challenge?
Thus, what will become of a similarly natured woman? Unless of course you believe the cosmos discriminates/is sexist...

Learn not from the lessons of those before you and you will suffer the experience yourself.

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You start you poast with “I’m not sexist”, then proceed to touch on EVERY sexist talking point out there.



The cosmos isn't sexist.
It doesn't discriminate.
It doesn't care what's between your legs.
If you approach it with certain energy, force, reckless abandon... As a ruthless/unhertened force of 'yang'.. As a 'man' .. As a force to be contended with.. it will respond in kind.

Ignore the slain bodies along the road side and you will eventually become one.
Consider yourself Mr/Ms. Badass who can survive and slay the wild and you will be tempered.


The universe doesn't give a shit about your gender and I don't give a shit about those who recklessly challenge it.
You're not a obstruction to my pursuits. No man will ever be or a woman. However, with the wrong attitude/energy, you will be an obstruction to your own ends.  Men held women back? Well now you're free. Enjoy the wild. There's no one coming to your aid or support... Be happy in your choice. Be content. As is the nature of a man born into the world... which wise men realize and temper and seek Yin to balance. If women mistake their nature/abandon it, the universe will balance it with a new form of Yin.

Just a messenger/observer. Do as you please. I have no horse in this race. It's not my funeral


Survival of the fittest. Prosperity of the most savage.
If you enter into this game and contend with the participants, you'll get exactly what you're seeking.


All my dawgs gon' slide, yeah
Bust up in your home, yeah
Home sweet homicide, yeah
All my dawgs is wild niggas, saw your dawg goodbye, yeah
Pet Sematary, I got all your dawgs inside, yeah
Yeah, y'all done lost your mind, yeah
And all my stars aligned, yeah
So all my dawgs gon' shine, yeah
All my dawgs is slimes, yeah
It's war like Vietnam, yeah
Throw that dog a bone, wait...
That might be a bomb, damn


:raisemyglass:

Enjoy the ride and dance with the wolves. I'm enjoying the show.
#Queenslay



Rx: Superiority Complex.

please, bestow your wisdom on my unworthy ears, oh great shower of forces.

Nvm, please don’t, I’m not worthy:tryingnottodie:


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: feldman114]
    #26468695 - 02/04/20 03:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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#Queenslay



Rx: Superiority Complex.

please, bestow your wisdom on my unworthy ears, oh great shower of forces.

Nvm, please don’t, I’m not worthy:tryingnottodie:




I don't exist. I have no power. I am lower than dirt.
I clearly have no wisdom according to you... the cosmos clearly has shown you different.
Who am I to argue with that? I am nothing and nobody in the grand scheme.
I have no impact on chosen reality our outcomes.
Thanks btw for you enlightened 'wisdom' on this matter.. God I love this world. It never disappointments.



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    #26471837 - 02/06/20 11:12 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Regardless of whether you have a superiority complex I agree with much of what you have said on the matter. A big problem with communication, especially in the context of philosophy, is the concept of keeping things non personal. It is pointless to attack someone's character when they have provided input on the topic which can be refuted or supported. Getting personal is a human tendency. Learning to not make it personal is always the topic of philosophy, regardless of the topic.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Pinkerton]
    #26471936 - 02/06/20 12:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Regardless of whether you have a superiority complex I agree with much of what you have said on the matter. A big problem with communication, especially in the context of philosophy, is the concept of keeping things non personal. It is pointless to attack someone's character when they have provided input on the topic which can be refuted or supported. Getting personal is a human tendency. Learning to not make it personal is always the topic of philosophy, regardless of the topic.





An acquisition of someone having a superiority complex is often the result of someone with an inferiority complex projecting their insecurities. I don't even believe in the concept of a superiority complex because no one is superior.. Everyone's dirt including myself. I know what I am and what I'm not. I know the truthfulness of my words and where they come from. If someone misinterprets that, it's to their own folly.  If you agree on what I said, let it be that.

I will not let a person lob idiotic personal commentary in the face of sound truth they can't refute all to protect their insecurities. I will call such behavior out as I have called out the modern idiocy centered on women.. the folly and despair it will lead to. Some people don't like the truth because they live in the belly of lies and/or ignorance. That's not my fault or problem. A person's emotional response to the truth isn't my problem either. I frankly don't care. I have a spine and I use it constructively. Not calling out clear ignorance and foolishness for what it is, results in our modern predicament to begin with.

Also, for shits and giggles, please point out where I said something non truthful in this thread. Also, apply this to what you claim are 'personal' comments. In that, you'll maybe realize something profound:
Pro-tip : The truth isn't personal.

If you're taking things personal, you maybe need to adjust your perspective/emotions.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: r00tcmplx]
    #26471967 - 02/06/20 12:32 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Lol you’re so outraged with my “idiotic personal commentary” that you decide to get personal too?

Yesss your logic is sound.

Reread your rambling post (I assume you weren’t sober) and you’ll see what I meant. Talkin bout:
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Learn not from the lessons of those before you and you will suffer the experience yourself




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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: feldman114]
    #26471980 - 02/06/20 12:42 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Lol you’re so outraged with my “idiotic personal commentary” that you decide to get personal too?

Yesss your logic is sound.

Reread your rambling post (I assume you weren’t sober) and you’ll see what I meant. Talkin bout:
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Learn not from the lessons of those before you and you will suffer the experience yourself




Like wuut? This isn’t some deep spiritual discussion, bud.



I'm not outraged. Zero emotion underlies my commentary.
I also only give a person a certain number of tries to reorient themselves to an established sensible metric.
After that, you're going to be ghosted and you have hit your limit.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: r00tcmplx]
    #26471986 - 02/06/20 12:44 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Pfff oh nooo:rofl2:


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    #26471989 - 02/06/20 12:45 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Saying I agree with most of what you said is a compliment. You seem to have a firm grasp on the changes that are taking place. Things certainly don't look balanced and I'm under no illusion that women are better off for being treated like men. Some of them are better off while many of them are worse off. Welcome to being like men! Men who get pregnant, deal with PMS, PCOS and a variety of other health issues men don't have to deal with. Regarding the comments on balance, I think humanity has always been a bit off kilter. I don't even ascribe to the harmony in tribalism theory.

I was just pointing out (for the other poster) that it doesn't matter whether you have a complex or not. Replies here, should we choose to give them, shouldn't focus on who is saying what but what is being said. Somehow I think we agree...


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Rahz]
    #26472021 - 02/06/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

And I was just pointing out that men could LEGALLY RAPE their wives 30 years ago, but they couldn’t LEGALLY get an abortion.


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    #26472059 - 02/06/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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And I was just pointing out that men could LEGALLY RAPE their wives 30 years ago, but they couldn’t LEGALLY get an abortion.




I don't think anyone is arguing that the good old days were all that good. The perception of "rape culture" arose after rape was illegal.

Incidentally, there's still a law on the books in my county that dates to the 40s. You could beat your wife but you had to do it on the court house lawn, have a witness and state the reason which went into record.

Many humans are awful, and while it's good that laws are in place to protect people in general, human nature doesn't change. Laws are ignored or those expressions filter into other grey areas. Manipulation via emotional damage is the goal and one doesn't need to be physically raped for that to happen.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Rahz]
    #26472074 - 02/06/20 01:27 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Correction: Rape culture started being TALKED ABOUT after...because it used to be normalized in our society.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Rahz]
    #26472105 - 02/06/20 01:42 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Welcome to being like men!




:nicesmile:
Exactly and in short what I was stating earlier...
It's a hard and rough life. Something men have in their nature.
Wiser men actually get as far away from it as possible because of its self-defeating nature... short survivability and general idiocy. Shocking to see women flocking to this.. I'm not one to fight them. If that's what they want to sign up for, have at it I guess. I told some women in the past : If you want to live this 'modern' life, go out there and live it. However, if you think i'm going to struggle and fight with you against it, you're mistaken. As a wise man, I learned to resign from the idiocy, I'll be damned if a man or a woman will ever drag me back into it.

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Men who get pregnant, deal with PMS, PCOS and a variety of other health issues men don't have to deal with.




It's a sad path. Damage is already done to a generation or two though. I along with many were sounding the alarm when it mattered. It frankly doesn't anymore. Now the articles/studies are coming out on how detrimental this period was. O'well man.


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Regarding the comments on balance, I think humanity has always been a bit off kilter. I don't even ascribe to the harmony in tribalism theory.




I'd agree. I'd just add that this is the nature of 'life' : the dynamic that you describe is a pendulum having been put off kilter so that it can create motion/life... The balance I see is the swing from max Left to Max Right...

Conservative phase -> liberal phase -> conservative
Boom->Bust->boom->Bust
Cold->Hot->cold->hot
The swing, motion, and phases are definitely 'off kilter'... but the bigger picture is in balance. Perfect balance couldn't exist else there would be 'nothing'.

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I was just pointing out (for the other poster) that it doesn't matter whether you have a complex or not. Replies here, should we choose to give them, shouldn't focus on who is saying what but what is being said. Somehow I think we agree...




Definitely. I seek to grow and learn in exchanges. Yelling off insults achieves nothing. It's childish and pointless.
If something is said that a person disagrees with, savagely rake the opponents views with more correct statements and framing. If emotions are high, channel them into productive commentary of a counter position. When someone engages in personal insults off the top compared to an informative/sound reply, I sit there laughing/pitying them.. Like : Does this child kicking a tantrum see themselves? Do they think anyone is buying this bullshit?

This is why more clearly, such things are psychological projections of a person's own limit which is why its especially sad when its done as it is only revealing intimate things about their own person not the others.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: feldman114]
    #26472120 - 02/06/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Correction: Rape culture started being TALKED ABOUT after...because it used to be normalized in our society.




"Bitches and hos" became an open expression in the 90s. That's why it was talked about.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Rahz]
    #26472135 - 02/06/20 02:01 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't think anyone is arguing that the good old days were all that good. The perception of "rape culture" arose after rape was illegal.

Incidentally, there's still a law on the books in my county that dates to the 40s. You could beat your wife but you had to do it on the court house lawn, have a witness and state the reason which went into record.

Many humans are awful, and while it's good that laws are in place to protect people in general, human nature doesn't change. Laws are ignored or those expressions filter into other grey areas. Manipulation via emotional damage is the goal and one doesn't need to be physically raped for that to happen.




Rape isn't a culture. It's an overinflated rare phenomenon promoted for achieving concealed agendas far and beyond personal justice. It's often lied about and conflated for personal gain or vengeance. It's a play on natural dynamics. It's modern bullshit to push a very destructive agenda aimed at both men and women. It's a money making enterprise for lawyers/justice system/PR campaigns/etc.

Most humans aren't 'awful'.. just flawed.
Most laws aren't meant to achieve justice, they're meant to remove, establish, and moderate power along arbitrary lines.

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Laws are ignored or those expressions filter into other grey areas.




Laws and the legal system are especially crafted to be as grey as they possibly can so that lawyers and the whole apparatus can extract max profit from artful arbitration. If you've watched any modern trial or case, it's a fucking clown show and everyone in the court has clown suits on.

Rape is rare and the modern world we live in is full of shit and bullshit for the most part.
You had a guy running around the world running a global sex trafficking operation to compromise and manipulate wealthy people who was roped up multiple times by the justice system and nothing happened. His partner in crime is still roaming free. Women.. the 'so called victims' who were likely paid handsomely and thus went along for the ride for the most part sat by and let other women go through this pipeline without uttering a word. Now that their older and no longer have sex appeal to extract such money, it's time to speak out? The whole thing is a circus for all involved, men/women,perpetrator,victim, justice system...

Meanwhile, pussy is poppin 24/7 as a legitimate business everywhere on digital platforms.
Sugar daddies is a thing (basically prostitution).
Everybody is fucking everybody 24/7 and the media promotes it even to younger adults as a great lifestyle.

A slutbag walks into a celebrity's room and offers to fuck him because that's what lowly women do.. They fuck dudes simply because they are somebody's with money... and the nation wants to pretend this isn't a thing. A father whose daughter is sucking 7 different dude's dicks a month while in college for side $$$ wants to pretend like his daughter is a saint when she claims some dude who she happened to be fucking for some time raped her. Society wants to pretend like there isn't a rampant oversexualized culture and women fucking everything in sight. Society wants to pretend like shit doesn't happen when you promote such reckless culture. Society wants to pretend like a guy has to go through a depraved act such as rape to get some ass now-a-days.. Pretend like this is prevalent... Meanwhile, you talk to an average good lucking guy in his 20s and he'll admit he fucked 18 different women in the past month from tinder. Society .. Modern society is a joke. Filled with contradictions and a body of lies. Criss crossed narratives and contradicting statements vs actions.

Rape isn't a thing. It isn't a culture. It's a hideous crime committed by depraved individuals and these individuals have always been and always will be a minority of the population. These individuals are both male and female as females are not exempt from such depravity or actions. They aren't angels or saints by nature. They are human beings just like men capable of the same evils and wrongs. The lowly of them fall victim to these traits and commit acts inline.

Society creates a lie around this truth so as to structure a clear power dynamic... And everyone is wise to it.
#metoo #queenslay .. Everything is for sale and everything has an agenda. Manipulative propaganda 24/7 to twist reality towards one's agenda. It's all so tiresome.. and absurd and eventually the pendulum will swing the other way... From one extreme to another and its sad and a tragedy that this is not acknowledged.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Rahz]
    #26472150 - 02/06/20 02:13 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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"Bitches and hos" became an open expression in the 90s. That's why it was talked about.



Some women are bitches and hoes.
Some men are assholes and have no true sense of self/self-identity so attempt to fuck their way to it.

Some women fuck alot of men because they too like the playboys have no sense of self/self-identity and no good man wants to be with one. Some people eventually 'find themselves' in life. Some don't. No one who 'finds' themselves speaks highly about this. Yet, we have a media apparatus promoting this toxic culture/behavior 24/7 because it profits them. No one higher in society comments because they to are getting a cut of the commerce.

You can't turn a hoe into a housewife. She has to already have grasped that mindset on her own.
You can't turn a scumbag cheating male into a husband but a lot of dumb women try to because they like to play with fire.

The 90s was a golden period in American history. It's been more clearly downhill since.
People kept it 'real' during that age and there was no corporate/commercial apparatus to stop them.

Some women go to parties and fuck a lot of dudes. No one raped them.
A lot of women would lie about this so they don't appear to be sluts.
I've had several female friends confess this very thing to me. Some dude could have gone to jail/got their life ruined over it. The way they saw it : He should have kept his mouth shut then. Better him than my life/reputation be ruined. The justice system and society grants women this privilege/power and more because they are the incubator of the next tax payer and it is known some dude will always suck it up to be with them. Men are disposable.

Max economic growth, profit, and commerce center on economic activity. If everyone is doing the intelligent thing, maturing, and centered on higher roads... marrying/forming families..saving money and securing their future,  that isn't conducive to the economy/profit. So, you get this circus of bullshit. Then you get the lionization of anyone who calls it out...

The 90s you say? Bitches and hoes :


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Rahz]
    #26472184 - 02/06/20 02:37 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Correction: Rape culture started being TALKED ABOUT after...because it used to be normalized in our society.




"Bitches and hos" became an open expression in the 90s. That's why it was talked about.




Oh, so you think women weren’t called bitches and whores before? I can easily prove they were. Will this change your opinion though? Or do you just care about being right?


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: feldman114]
    #26472225 - 02/06/20 02:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Quote:

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feldman114 said:
Correction: Rape culture started being TALKED ABOUT after...because it used to be normalized in our society.




"Bitches and hos" became an open expression in the 90s. That's why it was talked about.




Oh, so you think women weren’t called bitches and whores before? I can easily prove they were. Will this change your opinion though? Or do you just care about being right?




I'm just saying it became a part of popular culture back then. And the phrase was "all women are bitches and hos" not some of them. While a segment of society has always been crass, having been born in the 70s I've seen things get much more so. If such open disregard for females was prevalent in large citys, the perception is that it's been normalized in less populated areas and that's when it became a part of popular culture. Anyway, it's difficult to say because of reporting issues whether rape is more or less prevalent today than 100 years ago. I suspect it's about the same, same as humans being on average about as happy as they were back then. If there's less actual rape then that ill spirit has worked it's way into other means. Meanwhile, some women benefit from their liberation but that doesn't answer the question of whether women are better on the whole.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Rahz]
    #26472295 - 02/06/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Oh, so you think women weren’t called bitches and whores before? I can easily prove they were. Will this change your opinion though? Or do you just care about being right?



Not sure what this remark has to do with my commentary. A person is what they are. If you behave like a bitch or a hoe, that's what you are. Of course, if someone fit that definition 10,000 years ago that is indeed what they were. Not sure what changes in what I said. The 90s were a golden and peak era for many unrelated reasons. During this time, people expressed more truly how they felt and most people didn't get butt-hurt about it. Some women are bitches and hoes and artists stated that clearly and in detail. There's nothing wrong with the word bitch/hoe. There is something wrong with a person legitimately stooping that low in their ACTIONs to be called one and as a rare man of these times who still has a spine, if a woman behaves like one that's exactly what i'm going to call them and there isn't a social media platform, authority, or institution who is going to tell me as a man I can't or should feel guilty/wrong for stating the TRUTH. So, do you care about the truth which has nothing to do w/ me or you or do you want to carve out whose more right.? in what time period and context?

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I'm just saying it became a part of popular culture back then.




Telling the truth and not being a little bitch was popular back then.
Men had spines back then moreso than they do now
Society was less censored.
People weren't as sensitive.
Sensitive people were notably made fun of for being weak and spineless and didn't control the social narrative or norms. So, that's why the culture of the 90s existed.

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And the phrase was "all women are bitches and hos" not some of them.




That was not the phrase... and your misrepresenting it.
That terminology first of all came from the 'streets' and street rap and even in it was the presence of an 'outcry' of condition whereby it was more deeply being conveyed that a number of women chose to be hoes and bitches and than men wished that wasn't the dynamic. Ofc that outcry was ignored and the power dynamic revealed in that as shaped by society, a lot of women are now 'hoes' if you look at the data collected... and what has thus become of society? And of happiness? and of women who fell for it? .... Lastly, this was a way of men communicating and informing other men as to the ways of CERTAIN women and what to avoid and how to treat them. There's nothing more pathetic and broken than a man who gets dogged out by a hoe he believed to be otherwise... and that's what the streets were speaking to and warning other men about. Of course, now STREET CULTURE has become mainstreet culture and it is what it is... Which is what will make for even more ruthless men thus why it was always a losing game for women. Hell, most of the exploitation platforms that are 'pimping' out women are ran by men (ruthless savage men). Wise men grasp this and resign from this idiocy less they become savages themselves. Modern women call themselves being Captain Marvel/Wonderwomen and taking on the most savage men on earth. They're going to lose and be savaged as they already are thus my reference earlier to

Even highlighted the pertinent lyrics.

So, yet again let me clearly frame the broader truth....

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While a segment of society has always been crass, having been born in the 70s I've seen things get much more so.




Oh you mean that period when blacks were being hosed down in streets? Segregated and savaged? Western society has always been crass. Who becomes the target only shifts over time once a particular lemon has been squeezed. They savaged and squeezed blacks for a tremendous part of history, now they're on to women. That being said, I do agree on the 'decline' narrative. Not sure then how you are trying to paint this but let me continue reading on.

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If such open disregard for females was prevalent in large citys, the perception is that it's been normalized in less populated areas and that's when it became a part of popular culture.




Well yeah, street culture is now mainstream culture.
Street culture was set upon by failed/damming socio-economic conditions and so is now the main-street version.
Socio-economic conditions and a loss of a national narrative have lead people into the gutter. Women are party to this just as equally as men. Women, in present day are even moreso a party to it i'd argue. So, let me be quite clear : Men aren't the cause of bullshit 3rd wave feminism/'female sexual liberation'. This is driven by corporations/institutions and females thirsting for savage male power/money. You get what you sign up for in such games.

A lot of women are hoes now-a-days and you'd have to be a complete bitch not to say so which few men are.
They see the environment for what it is and optimize accordingly. Women want to run around riding dicks, making money, and living like playboys? Well, in order to survive as a man, one most become even more savage and not invest much in these hoes.
^This is not my experience or practice but it is what is occurring on main-street. How this can be solved overnight? Simple.. Women should stop spreading their legs riding dicks... Your response or a woman's: NO. Well then, what are we talking about? Men are men. It's a force led world. The most savage wins power games. Women aren't going to win this game. Men will never respect a hoe. They will fuck a hoe but they won't respect one. Women aren't going to run the world. Never will. That's just a lie a man tells women so they get out there savaging themselves and others allowing the man to profit from owning the platform they use to do it. Pimped and played like a bitch/hoe meanwhile thinking : I'm empowered....

Women who use their bodies to get ahead (hoes) end up like this :

Even then, all isn't lost because some dude will still marry them and give them everything.

Given this, what does a sensible man look like having a heart for this foolishness? She's a hoe. Divorced a guy who gave her everything who was nice to her to go it on her own and ride dicks for $$$$... fails and then tries to parlay this into a pitty party hoping some simp will be breadbasket #2.

Sucking dick for $$$/material purchases in college .... even as your father busts his ass to cover your tuition...
Lying to his face about it... and then playing pretend in the future. This will lead to nowhere good and the effects are already reverberating through the west.

I'm not impacted. I have no horse in the game. But I can still state what's going on.

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Anyway, it's difficult to say because of reporting issues whether rape is more or less prevalent today than 100 years ago.




No its not. It was and will always been something that rarely occurs given how brutal and heinous it is just like murder. As for coincidence and feeders, yeah.... if you create a more savage psychosphere and there is no nurturing element ... and women become as savage men themselves, it doesn't take rocket science to understand that you're going to end up with more fucked situations. I personally don't like getting shot or getting into fights, so I don't go into hoods and talk shit... even though I'm a 'tough man'. Likewise, if a woman doesn't want stupid shit to happen to them, in these times, it seems pertinent to say : Stay the fuck away from danger, jackass men, and jackass situations. Of course, if its cool/fun now-a-days to fuck-a-thug and ride on the wild side of life for women in general, of course they're going to be impacted by the natures of the situation. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. I don't sugar coat things. So, if you want a pity party in these times, you're not gonna get one from me. Women as you said yourself want to be like men ... So guess what, the same things will confront them as they do men. Maybe after this brutal age, women will mature and grow past this phase of idiocy. Maybe not. Nonetheless, the longer and deeper it persists, the longer and deeper will be the swing back to balance. I'm personally glad I have nothing to do with it.

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I suspect it's about the same, same as humans being on average about as happy as they were back then. If there's less actual rape then that ill spirit has worked it's way into other means. Meanwhile, some women benefit from their liberation but that doesn't answer the question of whether women are better on the whole.



It's fucked for everybody. The value that used to be maintained is being sucked and fucked away by platforms and institutions. If everyone in the mainstream is happy with this, who am I to question it or get cracked up about it.
:nicesmile:


Respectful women. Intelligent women. Women who respect themselves. Women who nurture and utilize their TRUE feminine value will always be held at a high value in the world. As for the bitches and hoes, well.. they get fucked.. and the men who fuck them undermine themselves in the act. 2 peas in a pot. Street culture that was always held as trash for everyone involved. If you go playing around in gutters and back alleys, you shouldn't be acting surprised at what results. Gutter street culture is the norm now and its highly profitable. So it is what it is.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Rahz]
    #26472312 - 02/06/20 03:55 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Correction: Rape culture started being TALKED ABOUT after...because it used to be normalized in our society.




"Bitches and hos" became an open expression in the 90s. That's why it was talked about.




Oh, so you think women weren’t called bitches and whores before? I can easily prove they were. Will this change your opinion though? Or do you just care about being right?




I'm just saying it became a part of popular culture back then. And the phrase was "all women are bitches and hos" not some of them. While a segment of society has always been crass, having been born in the 70s I've seen things get much more so. If such open disregard for females was prevalent in large citys, the perception is that it's been normalized in less populated areas and that's when it became a part of popular culture. Anyway, it's difficult to say because of reporting issues whether rape is more or less prevalent today than 100 years ago. I suspect it's about the same, same as humans being on average about as happy as they were back then. If there's less actual rape then that ill spirit has worked it's way into other means. Meanwhile, some women benefit from their liberation but that doesn't answer the question of whether women are better on the whole.




Oh I’m not saying there’s less rape. I’m jut saying there’s way more accountability. Donald Trump raped his first wife, but people said “it’s impossible for a husband to “rape” his wife”, the implication being that a woman’s job is servicing her husband’s prick.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scmp.com/news/world/article/1844770/donald-trumps-lawyer-apologises-after-mistakenly-claiming-you-cant-rape

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Donald Trump’s lawyer apologises after mistakenly claiming ‘you can’t rape your spouse’




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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: feldman114]
    #26475415 - 02/08/20 12:38 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

IMO its really a silly question, because its so general. No sophisticated polling, demographic study, or serious sociology, would use such a course grained dualistic set of categories to gather data; which ignores, race, income, country of origin, religion, rural vs. city dweller, background of parents, siblings, intelligence, genetics, health, etc.. And thats just objective data. How a person defines success and happiness and meaning, are of course just as important. IMO

Had to come back and edit, why? because an important demographic was left out. Can you guess what it is? before you scroll down?






























Sexual preference, & these days there are more than 2....


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: laughingdog]
    #26476028 - 02/08/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

They are neither better off nor worse.  The premise of the question itself implies power of a man to make a woman's situation different.  They just are much like we just are.

Circumstance and perception.  There is always joy. There is always pain.  How did i see the day today?


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Dunbar25]
    #26480842 - 02/11/20 06:48 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

If everything simple is as it is and is in its right place, there is no point, purpose, or reasoning to everything.
A person can state the truth of things and their fallen nature and that stands alone.
The dark ages were the dark ages.
The age of enlightenment was as it was.
There were clear distinctions between the two as there is black and white.
It is possible to state this truthfully with no attachments.

Not sure what is gained by maintaining that everything is neither better or worse.. and everything is just about perception. This clearly doesn't even fit in with manifested progressive agendas that seek to change things drastically implied it most definitely has an outcome that is widely different and thus either better or worse. If your pay is cut in half, i'm pretty sure its easy to say : things are worse.

And that's what has been clearly framed here. You are welcome to refute any particular point that suggests things are worst in detail. Without that, I'm not sure what is achieved by a neutral posture... Something that can easily be framed for anything.

Lose half your pay : things are not better or worse.
Health deteriorate : things are not better or worse.
General happiness declines by 40% : things are not better or worse.

Ok...


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