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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: r00tcmplx]
    #26471989 - 02/06/20 12:45 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Saying I agree with most of what you said is a compliment. You seem to have a firm grasp on the changes that are taking place. Things certainly don't look balanced and I'm under no illusion that women are better off for being treated like men. Some of them are better off while many of them are worse off. Welcome to being like men! Men who get pregnant, deal with PMS, PCOS and a variety of other health issues men don't have to deal with. Regarding the comments on balance, I think humanity has always been a bit off kilter. I don't even ascribe to the harmony in tribalism theory.

I was just pointing out (for the other poster) that it doesn't matter whether you have a complex or not. Replies here, should we choose to give them, shouldn't focus on who is saying what but what is being said. Somehow I think we agree...


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Rahz]
    #26472021 - 02/06/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

And I was just pointing out that men could LEGALLY RAPE their wives 30 years ago, but they couldn’t LEGALLY get an abortion.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: feldman114]
    #26472059 - 02/06/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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And I was just pointing out that men could LEGALLY RAPE their wives 30 years ago, but they couldn’t LEGALLY get an abortion.




I don't think anyone is arguing that the good old days were all that good. The perception of "rape culture" arose after rape was illegal.

Incidentally, there's still a law on the books in my county that dates to the 40s. You could beat your wife but you had to do it on the court house lawn, have a witness and state the reason which went into record.

Many humans are awful, and while it's good that laws are in place to protect people in general, human nature doesn't change. Laws are ignored or those expressions filter into other grey areas. Manipulation via emotional damage is the goal and one doesn't need to be physically raped for that to happen.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Rahz]
    #26472074 - 02/06/20 01:27 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Correction: Rape culture started being TALKED ABOUT after...because it used to be normalized in our society.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Rahz]
    #26472105 - 02/06/20 01:42 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Welcome to being like men!




:nicesmile:
Exactly and in short what I was stating earlier...
It's a hard and rough life. Something men have in their nature.
Wiser men actually get as far away from it as possible because of its self-defeating nature... short survivability and general idiocy. Shocking to see women flocking to this.. I'm not one to fight them. If that's what they want to sign up for, have at it I guess. I told some women in the past : If you want to live this 'modern' life, go out there and live it. However, if you think i'm going to struggle and fight with you against it, you're mistaken. As a wise man, I learned to resign from the idiocy, I'll be damned if a man or a woman will ever drag me back into it.

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Men who get pregnant, deal with PMS, PCOS and a variety of other health issues men don't have to deal with.




It's a sad path. Damage is already done to a generation or two though. I along with many were sounding the alarm when it mattered. It frankly doesn't anymore. Now the articles/studies are coming out on how detrimental this period was. O'well man.


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Regarding the comments on balance, I think humanity has always been a bit off kilter. I don't even ascribe to the harmony in tribalism theory.




I'd agree. I'd just add that this is the nature of 'life' : the dynamic that you describe is a pendulum having been put off kilter so that it can create motion/life... The balance I see is the swing from max Left to Max Right...

Conservative phase -> liberal phase -> conservative
Boom->Bust->boom->Bust
Cold->Hot->cold->hot
The swing, motion, and phases are definitely 'off kilter'... but the bigger picture is in balance. Perfect balance couldn't exist else there would be 'nothing'.

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I was just pointing out (for the other poster) that it doesn't matter whether you have a complex or not. Replies here, should we choose to give them, shouldn't focus on who is saying what but what is being said. Somehow I think we agree...




Definitely. I seek to grow and learn in exchanges. Yelling off insults achieves nothing. It's childish and pointless.
If something is said that a person disagrees with, savagely rake the opponents views with more correct statements and framing. If emotions are high, channel them into productive commentary of a counter position. When someone engages in personal insults off the top compared to an informative/sound reply, I sit there laughing/pitying them.. Like : Does this child kicking a tantrum see themselves? Do they think anyone is buying this bullshit?

This is why more clearly, such things are psychological projections of a person's own limit which is why its especially sad when its done as it is only revealing intimate things about their own person not the others.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: feldman114]
    #26472120 - 02/06/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Correction: Rape culture started being TALKED ABOUT after...because it used to be normalized in our society.




"Bitches and hos" became an open expression in the 90s. That's why it was talked about.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Rahz]
    #26472135 - 02/06/20 02:01 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't think anyone is arguing that the good old days were all that good. The perception of "rape culture" arose after rape was illegal.

Incidentally, there's still a law on the books in my county that dates to the 40s. You could beat your wife but you had to do it on the court house lawn, have a witness and state the reason which went into record.

Many humans are awful, and while it's good that laws are in place to protect people in general, human nature doesn't change. Laws are ignored or those expressions filter into other grey areas. Manipulation via emotional damage is the goal and one doesn't need to be physically raped for that to happen.




Rape isn't a culture. It's an overinflated rare phenomenon promoted for achieving concealed agendas far and beyond personal justice. It's often lied about and conflated for personal gain or vengeance. It's a play on natural dynamics. It's modern bullshit to push a very destructive agenda aimed at both men and women. It's a money making enterprise for lawyers/justice system/PR campaigns/etc.

Most humans aren't 'awful'.. just flawed.
Most laws aren't meant to achieve justice, they're meant to remove, establish, and moderate power along arbitrary lines.

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Laws are ignored or those expressions filter into other grey areas.




Laws and the legal system are especially crafted to be as grey as they possibly can so that lawyers and the whole apparatus can extract max profit from artful arbitration. If you've watched any modern trial or case, it's a fucking clown show and everyone in the court has clown suits on.

Rape is rare and the modern world we live in is full of shit and bullshit for the most part.
You had a guy running around the world running a global sex trafficking operation to compromise and manipulate wealthy people who was roped up multiple times by the justice system and nothing happened. His partner in crime is still roaming free. Women.. the 'so called victims' who were likely paid handsomely and thus went along for the ride for the most part sat by and let other women go through this pipeline without uttering a word. Now that their older and no longer have sex appeal to extract such money, it's time to speak out? The whole thing is a circus for all involved, men/women,perpetrator,victim, justice system...

Meanwhile, pussy is poppin 24/7 as a legitimate business everywhere on digital platforms.
Sugar daddies is a thing (basically prostitution).
Everybody is fucking everybody 24/7 and the media promotes it even to younger adults as a great lifestyle.

A slutbag walks into a celebrity's room and offers to fuck him because that's what lowly women do.. They fuck dudes simply because they are somebody's with money... and the nation wants to pretend this isn't a thing. A father whose daughter is sucking 7 different dude's dicks a month while in college for side $$$ wants to pretend like his daughter is a saint when she claims some dude who she happened to be fucking for some time raped her. Society wants to pretend like there isn't a rampant oversexualized culture and women fucking everything in sight. Society wants to pretend like shit doesn't happen when you promote such reckless culture. Society wants to pretend like a guy has to go through a depraved act such as rape to get some ass now-a-days.. Pretend like this is prevalent... Meanwhile, you talk to an average good lucking guy in his 20s and he'll admit he fucked 18 different women in the past month from tinder. Society .. Modern society is a joke. Filled with contradictions and a body of lies. Criss crossed narratives and contradicting statements vs actions.

Rape isn't a thing. It isn't a culture. It's a hideous crime committed by depraved individuals and these individuals have always been and always will be a minority of the population. These individuals are both male and female as females are not exempt from such depravity or actions. They aren't angels or saints by nature. They are human beings just like men capable of the same evils and wrongs. The lowly of them fall victim to these traits and commit acts inline.

Society creates a lie around this truth so as to structure a clear power dynamic... And everyone is wise to it.
#metoo #queenslay .. Everything is for sale and everything has an agenda. Manipulative propaganda 24/7 to twist reality towards one's agenda. It's all so tiresome.. and absurd and eventually the pendulum will swing the other way... From one extreme to another and its sad and a tragedy that this is not acknowledged.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Rahz]
    #26472150 - 02/06/20 02:13 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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"Bitches and hos" became an open expression in the 90s. That's why it was talked about.



Some women are bitches and hoes.
Some men are assholes and have no true sense of self/self-identity so attempt to fuck their way to it.

Some women fuck alot of men because they too like the playboys have no sense of self/self-identity and no good man wants to be with one. Some people eventually 'find themselves' in life. Some don't. No one who 'finds' themselves speaks highly about this. Yet, we have a media apparatus promoting this toxic culture/behavior 24/7 because it profits them. No one higher in society comments because they to are getting a cut of the commerce.

You can't turn a hoe into a housewife. She has to already have grasped that mindset on her own.
You can't turn a scumbag cheating male into a husband but a lot of dumb women try to because they like to play with fire.

The 90s was a golden period in American history. It's been more clearly downhill since.
People kept it 'real' during that age and there was no corporate/commercial apparatus to stop them.

Some women go to parties and fuck a lot of dudes. No one raped them.
A lot of women would lie about this so they don't appear to be sluts.
I've had several female friends confess this very thing to me. Some dude could have gone to jail/got their life ruined over it. The way they saw it : He should have kept his mouth shut then. Better him than my life/reputation be ruined. The justice system and society grants women this privilege/power and more because they are the incubator of the next tax payer and it is known some dude will always suck it up to be with them. Men are disposable.

Max economic growth, profit, and commerce center on economic activity. If everyone is doing the intelligent thing, maturing, and centered on higher roads... marrying/forming families..saving money and securing their future,  that isn't conducive to the economy/profit. So, you get this circus of bullshit. Then you get the lionization of anyone who calls it out...

The 90s you say? Bitches and hoes :


This world is a joke and its best to laugh at the bullshit its filled with.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Rahz]
    #26472184 - 02/06/20 02:37 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Correction: Rape culture started being TALKED ABOUT after...because it used to be normalized in our society.




"Bitches and hos" became an open expression in the 90s. That's why it was talked about.




Oh, so you think women weren’t called bitches and whores before? I can easily prove they were. Will this change your opinion though? Or do you just care about being right?


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: feldman114]
    #26472225 - 02/06/20 02:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Correction: Rape culture started being TALKED ABOUT after...because it used to be normalized in our society.




"Bitches and hos" became an open expression in the 90s. That's why it was talked about.




Oh, so you think women weren’t called bitches and whores before? I can easily prove they were. Will this change your opinion though? Or do you just care about being right?




I'm just saying it became a part of popular culture back then. And the phrase was "all women are bitches and hos" not some of them. While a segment of society has always been crass, having been born in the 70s I've seen things get much more so. If such open disregard for females was prevalent in large citys, the perception is that it's been normalized in less populated areas and that's when it became a part of popular culture. Anyway, it's difficult to say because of reporting issues whether rape is more or less prevalent today than 100 years ago. I suspect it's about the same, same as humans being on average about as happy as they were back then. If there's less actual rape then that ill spirit has worked it's way into other means. Meanwhile, some women benefit from their liberation but that doesn't answer the question of whether women are better on the whole.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Rahz]
    #26472295 - 02/06/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Oh, so you think women weren’t called bitches and whores before? I can easily prove they were. Will this change your opinion though? Or do you just care about being right?



Not sure what this remark has to do with my commentary. A person is what they are. If you behave like a bitch or a hoe, that's what you are. Of course, if someone fit that definition 10,000 years ago that is indeed what they were. Not sure what changes in what I said. The 90s were a golden and peak era for many unrelated reasons. During this time, people expressed more truly how they felt and most people didn't get butt-hurt about it. Some women are bitches and hoes and artists stated that clearly and in detail. There's nothing wrong with the word bitch/hoe. There is something wrong with a person legitimately stooping that low in their ACTIONs to be called one and as a rare man of these times who still has a spine, if a woman behaves like one that's exactly what i'm going to call them and there isn't a social media platform, authority, or institution who is going to tell me as a man I can't or should feel guilty/wrong for stating the TRUTH. So, do you care about the truth which has nothing to do w/ me or you or do you want to carve out whose more right.? in what time period and context?

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I'm just saying it became a part of popular culture back then.




Telling the truth and not being a little bitch was popular back then.
Men had spines back then moreso than they do now
Society was less censored.
People weren't as sensitive.
Sensitive people were notably made fun of for being weak and spineless and didn't control the social narrative or norms. So, that's why the culture of the 90s existed.

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And the phrase was "all women are bitches and hos" not some of them.




That was not the phrase... and your misrepresenting it.
That terminology first of all came from the 'streets' and street rap and even in it was the presence of an 'outcry' of condition whereby it was more deeply being conveyed that a number of women chose to be hoes and bitches and than men wished that wasn't the dynamic. Ofc that outcry was ignored and the power dynamic revealed in that as shaped by society, a lot of women are now 'hoes' if you look at the data collected... and what has thus become of society? And of happiness? and of women who fell for it? .... Lastly, this was a way of men communicating and informing other men as to the ways of CERTAIN women and what to avoid and how to treat them. There's nothing more pathetic and broken than a man who gets dogged out by a hoe he believed to be otherwise... and that's what the streets were speaking to and warning other men about. Of course, now STREET CULTURE has become mainstreet culture and it is what it is... Which is what will make for even more ruthless men thus why it was always a losing game for women. Hell, most of the exploitation platforms that are 'pimping' out women are ran by men (ruthless savage men). Wise men grasp this and resign from this idiocy less they become savages themselves. Modern women call themselves being Captain Marvel/Wonderwomen and taking on the most savage men on earth. They're going to lose and be savaged as they already are thus my reference earlier to

Even highlighted the pertinent lyrics.

So, yet again let me clearly frame the broader truth....

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While a segment of society has always been crass, having been born in the 70s I've seen things get much more so.




Oh you mean that period when blacks were being hosed down in streets? Segregated and savaged? Western society has always been crass. Who becomes the target only shifts over time once a particular lemon has been squeezed. They savaged and squeezed blacks for a tremendous part of history, now they're on to women. That being said, I do agree on the 'decline' narrative. Not sure then how you are trying to paint this but let me continue reading on.

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If such open disregard for females was prevalent in large citys, the perception is that it's been normalized in less populated areas and that's when it became a part of popular culture.




Well yeah, street culture is now mainstream culture.
Street culture was set upon by failed/damming socio-economic conditions and so is now the main-street version.
Socio-economic conditions and a loss of a national narrative have lead people into the gutter. Women are party to this just as equally as men. Women, in present day are even moreso a party to it i'd argue. So, let me be quite clear : Men aren't the cause of bullshit 3rd wave feminism/'female sexual liberation'. This is driven by corporations/institutions and females thirsting for savage male power/money. You get what you sign up for in such games.

A lot of women are hoes now-a-days and you'd have to be a complete bitch not to say so which few men are.
They see the environment for what it is and optimize accordingly. Women want to run around riding dicks, making money, and living like playboys? Well, in order to survive as a man, one most become even more savage and not invest much in these hoes.
^This is not my experience or practice but it is what is occurring on main-street. How this can be solved overnight? Simple.. Women should stop spreading their legs riding dicks... Your response or a woman's: NO. Well then, what are we talking about? Men are men. It's a force led world. The most savage wins power games. Women aren't going to win this game. Men will never respect a hoe. They will fuck a hoe but they won't respect one. Women aren't going to run the world. Never will. That's just a lie a man tells women so they get out there savaging themselves and others allowing the man to profit from owning the platform they use to do it. Pimped and played like a bitch/hoe meanwhile thinking : I'm empowered....

Women who use their bodies to get ahead (hoes) end up like this :

Even then, all isn't lost because some dude will still marry them and give them everything.

Given this, what does a sensible man look like having a heart for this foolishness? She's a hoe. Divorced a guy who gave her everything who was nice to her to go it on her own and ride dicks for $$$$... fails and then tries to parlay this into a pitty party hoping some simp will be breadbasket #2.

Sucking dick for $$$/material purchases in college .... even as your father busts his ass to cover your tuition...
Lying to his face about it... and then playing pretend in the future. This will lead to nowhere good and the effects are already reverberating through the west.

I'm not impacted. I have no horse in the game. But I can still state what's going on.

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Anyway, it's difficult to say because of reporting issues whether rape is more or less prevalent today than 100 years ago.




No its not. It was and will always been something that rarely occurs given how brutal and heinous it is just like murder. As for coincidence and feeders, yeah.... if you create a more savage psychosphere and there is no nurturing element ... and women become as savage men themselves, it doesn't take rocket science to understand that you're going to end up with more fucked situations. I personally don't like getting shot or getting into fights, so I don't go into hoods and talk shit... even though I'm a 'tough man'. Likewise, if a woman doesn't want stupid shit to happen to them, in these times, it seems pertinent to say : Stay the fuck away from danger, jackass men, and jackass situations. Of course, if its cool/fun now-a-days to fuck-a-thug and ride on the wild side of life for women in general, of course they're going to be impacted by the natures of the situation. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. I don't sugar coat things. So, if you want a pity party in these times, you're not gonna get one from me. Women as you said yourself want to be like men ... So guess what, the same things will confront them as they do men. Maybe after this brutal age, women will mature and grow past this phase of idiocy. Maybe not. Nonetheless, the longer and deeper it persists, the longer and deeper will be the swing back to balance. I'm personally glad I have nothing to do with it.

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I suspect it's about the same, same as humans being on average about as happy as they were back then. If there's less actual rape then that ill spirit has worked it's way into other means. Meanwhile, some women benefit from their liberation but that doesn't answer the question of whether women are better on the whole.



It's fucked for everybody. The value that used to be maintained is being sucked and fucked away by platforms and institutions. If everyone in the mainstream is happy with this, who am I to question it or get cracked up about it.
:nicesmile:


Respectful women. Intelligent women. Women who respect themselves. Women who nurture and utilize their TRUE feminine value will always be held at a high value in the world. As for the bitches and hoes, well.. they get fucked.. and the men who fuck them undermine themselves in the act. 2 peas in a pot. Street culture that was always held as trash for everyone involved. If you go playing around in gutters and back alleys, you shouldn't be acting surprised at what results. Gutter street culture is the norm now and its highly profitable. So it is what it is.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Rahz]
    #26472312 - 02/06/20 03:55 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Correction: Rape culture started being TALKED ABOUT after...because it used to be normalized in our society.




"Bitches and hos" became an open expression in the 90s. That's why it was talked about.




Oh, so you think women weren’t called bitches and whores before? I can easily prove they were. Will this change your opinion though? Or do you just care about being right?




I'm just saying it became a part of popular culture back then. And the phrase was "all women are bitches and hos" not some of them. While a segment of society has always been crass, having been born in the 70s I've seen things get much more so. If such open disregard for females was prevalent in large citys, the perception is that it's been normalized in less populated areas and that's when it became a part of popular culture. Anyway, it's difficult to say because of reporting issues whether rape is more or less prevalent today than 100 years ago. I suspect it's about the same, same as humans being on average about as happy as they were back then. If there's less actual rape then that ill spirit has worked it's way into other means. Meanwhile, some women benefit from their liberation but that doesn't answer the question of whether women are better on the whole.




Oh I’m not saying there’s less rape. I’m jut saying there’s way more accountability. Donald Trump raped his first wife, but people said “it’s impossible for a husband to “rape” his wife”, the implication being that a woman’s job is servicing her husband’s prick.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scmp.com/news/world/article/1844770/donald-trumps-lawyer-apologises-after-mistakenly-claiming-you-cant-rape

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Donald Trump’s lawyer apologises after mistakenly claiming ‘you can’t rape your spouse’




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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: feldman114]
    #26475415 - 02/08/20 12:38 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

IMO its really a silly question, because its so general. No sophisticated polling, demographic study, or serious sociology, would use such a course grained dualistic set of categories to gather data; which ignores, race, income, country of origin, religion, rural vs. city dweller, background of parents, siblings, intelligence, genetics, health, etc.. And thats just objective data. How a person defines success and happiness and meaning, are of course just as important. IMO

Had to come back and edit, why? because an important demographic was left out. Can you guess what it is? before you scroll down?






























Sexual preference, & these days there are more than 2....


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: laughingdog]
    #26476028 - 02/08/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

They are neither better off nor worse.  The premise of the question itself implies power of a man to make a woman's situation different.  They just are much like we just are.

Circumstance and perception.  There is always joy. There is always pain.  How did i see the day today?


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Dunbar25]
    #26480842 - 02/11/20 06:48 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

If everything simple is as it is and is in its right place, there is no point, purpose, or reasoning to everything.
A person can state the truth of things and their fallen nature and that stands alone.
The dark ages were the dark ages.
The age of enlightenment was as it was.
There were clear distinctions between the two as there is black and white.
It is possible to state this truthfully with no attachments.

Not sure what is gained by maintaining that everything is neither better or worse.. and everything is just about perception. This clearly doesn't even fit in with manifested progressive agendas that seek to change things drastically implied it most definitely has an outcome that is widely different and thus either better or worse. If your pay is cut in half, i'm pretty sure its easy to say : things are worse.

And that's what has been clearly framed here. You are welcome to refute any particular point that suggests things are worst in detail. Without that, I'm not sure what is achieved by a neutral posture... Something that can easily be framed for anything.

Lose half your pay : things are not better or worse.
Health deteriorate : things are not better or worse.
General happiness declines by 40% : things are not better or worse.

Ok...


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