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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Kickle]
    #26445926 - 01/22/20 09:25 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

I don’t think any women contributed to this thread. Makes it sorta irrelevant
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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: feldman114]
    #26445931 - 01/22/20 09:28 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

Don't worry, be happy



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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26456069 - 01/27/20 09:56 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

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Loaded Shaman said:

This is a touchy subject that I'd bet 3/4 of this website can't touch with a 10 yard pole without accusing anyone that speaks factually as being "Sexist".

Therefore, I'm sitting this one out, kids, lol.




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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Pinkerton]
    #26456078 - 01/27/20 10:11 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

Obviously women are better off today than 50 years ago.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: nooneman]
    #26456196 - 01/28/20 02:41 AM (4 years, 1 day ago)

abortion rights are being eroded, and the glass ceiling remains.
home ownership is a vanishing opportunity...

what do you think?
for both men and women>


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: nooneman]
    #26456623 - 01/28/20 10:50 AM (4 years, 1 day ago)

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nooneman said:
Obviously women are better off today than 50 years ago.




Define "better off".


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: qman] * 1
    #26461009 - 01/30/20 08:35 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I remember reading that the percentage of women who were planning pregnancy varied based on economic outlook. This was true regardless of upbringing and social status, meaning it affected middle class and rich in the same way it affected the poor. So the trend and outlook, and the response of enough/not enough is a measure of expected quality of life except the actual output, a product we can quantify, remains similar across a diverse population.

In the same way, if better means happier, then women (and men) are no better off today. They make do with what they've got and express happiness in similar "quantities" while also expressing unhappiness in similar quantities. A person may get rich and enjoy the benefits for a few years, but if having been poor they may discover that being rich, while easier, is not happier.

So by better off one might judge by equality of rights. Sure, women are better off. So are people of color. This is a good thing but women experience many of the same problems as they always have, and some have argued that the breakdown of relationship models has resulted in less happiness. If a woman tells you her problems, most of the time it has little to do with work or advancement but rather relationship difficulties, mental/physical health issues, and then economic concern which is actually a relative expression of anxiety toward the future based on how one feels.

I guess if the qualifier is whether they're treated more equally under law the obvious answer is yes, though more of them have to work for a living, while often being mothers or single mothers at the same time. The picture becomes less clear. More serfs in the field. Add to that, that people are generally only so happy regardless, it's hard to say women on average are better off simply because they have more rights and economic opportunities.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Rahz]
    #26462130 - 01/31/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Rahz said:
... it's hard to say women on average are better off simply because they have more rights and economic opportunities.




.  But it sure beats, the alternative opposite case. Just consider some Mulism countries, and stoning, etc.! And foot-binding of girls in ancient china. That scene in the Marco Polo mini series is truly horrific. Parts of Africa have some pretty nasty customs too.
.  Just coming to America has been a vast improvement for many.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: laughingdog] * 1
    #26468592 - 02/04/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Women are not better off.
You don't need to be a woman to say this.
I am not sexist for saying it and I could care less what someone feels about my stating the truth.

Yin/Yang.
When either gets out of balance, there is broad suffering.
Women/Men.
When either gets out of balance, there is broad suffering.

Women are unbalanced and in new uncharted waters.
They are taking leisure with this newly found 'freedom' and it is resulting in lots of mistakes and suffering.
Eventually, they will be tempered as they already are by the consequences/mistakes/mishaps of 'free roaming'.

Men are suffering due to this chaos too.
The universe eventually restores balance/order.

Periods of excess/exploration arise... People explore uncharted waters. There's lots of chaos/suffering. The learning lesson and way forward is selected and there is a follow on period of conservative and more streamlined progress.

Nothing was meant to remain the same forever. Thus, the nature of constant movement and progress.
In our present time, we are broadly aware of our capability to manipulate and reshape reality.
Powerful spin masters/upper echelon of society used to maintain this and the societal narrative...
However, they gifted this to the plebs and instead now rule over 'platforms' that take the cut.

Why do all of the hard work when others can do it for you and you can take a cut.
This extends down to the concept of the family unit, relationships, social norms, etc.

We broke from a less chaotic model and are now giving leisure to chaos.
Platforms take a cut.

Women are now essentially under no restrictions and are being thrown to the wilderness. Something that was previously reserved for men more naturally equipped to weather it. No one cares for natures anymore in this post modern society. Things move to rapidly. There's too much money to be made in manipulation. There is no one nurturing/preserving norms anymore. Modern women have been catapulted into this. It frankly is the most profitable form of capitalism... All around chaos/movement/commerce overseen and owned by a platform that takes a cut.

May the best man/woman 'win'/'survive'/'thrive'.. the most ruthless and rootless.
If you think this is good for women or men, or has good intent, I don't know what to tell you.

There's an illusion of control/empowerment and a complete lack of it. This is maintained by platforms exclusively who make structured themselves to make money on both good/bad.. any activity. This compels men and women to run around nonconstructively like chicken heads with no direction.. money/resources/time/attention being shaken out of them.

To highlight some stand out observations :
Casual Sex (pointless/worthless) but the lifestyle is highly profitable.
Lower family formation/Lower bond quality/Lower lifetime achievement...
Bigger gap between rich and poor. Rich people lead traditional lives beyond the spotlight of degeneracy and chaos they promote to plebs. Even say a Nicki Minaj/Cardi B.... or a playboy/male equivalent e-celeb/celeb.

Their 'manipulation' compels more plebs and proles to 'act out' lower paths/engage in more chaotic recklessness that the platform makes the bulk of its money from : contributors and energy uncompensated.

Women are especially prone to this psycho-sphere as they naturally vie for social conformity/social credit/social acceptance/etc. Men don't and tend to figure out the 'bigger game' and fight it to get the most resources for more sound pursuits. This is why there is a continual slide of men and a conformist progression of women inline with the 'bigger agenda' at play.

From a 'God/3rd party' perspective, if you're able to step outside of yourself and this circus, this 'game' is all too hilarious including the swaths caught up in it. The world.. the earth.. Circling in our galaxy in a well crafted solar system in our grand universe of infinite potential and this is the goofy shit/game that captures such an intelligent species. Self-willed Ouroboros.. Quite a sight and cycle :


Under consideration, if a person is not even aware of the 'local game', there's no way they get the greater one at play... This goes for both the wealthy 'platform' billionaire as well as the pleb caught up in it. They're both scales on the surface of a self eating body of suffering/return. I don't get myself broken up/caught up in this cycle of suffering .. and the frivolous idea of : are women better off now than then? Anyone caught up in this idiocy suffers.. no matter male/female... and it's their own choice/path. Not mine. Not my concern beyond understanding the bigger picture. Provides for good entertainment if you're into that kind of thing/can afford yourself the proper seat in the theater to perceive it.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: r00tcmplx] * 1
    #26468601 - 02/04/20 02:18 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Except physical labor, what exactly are men “better conditioned for than women”?

You start you poast with “I’m not sexist”, then proceed to touch on EVERY sexist talking point out there.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Pinkerton]
    #26468621 - 02/04/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Well originally, with people like Susan B. Anthony especially, the intention was to get the vote and to be unrestricted to enter the workplace. Now they have that, and the majority do not seem satisfied. I agree with others that women are certainly not happier, but then no one is. The whole American populace has historically low happiness numbers (for which they are able to poll).

I'm not sure there are any golden ages, and the current age women are in is certainly not one, either. It seems the more concessions that develop for women socioculturally, the feminist groups increasingly demand more. So no, nobody is better off.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: feldman114]
    #26468660 - 02/04/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

feldman114 said:
Except physical labor, what exactly are men “better conditioned for than women”?





Keep roaming wildly in the universe/cosmos and you'll find out.
Keep quickly glancing over wisdom and the truth of its pronouncement you will experience its nature in the flesh.
Keep thinking you are above the natures/laws/forces of the cosmos and you will be 'shown'.

What befalls a man who egotistically fires off their free-will? Who chaotically roams in the wild?
A man who welcomes challenge?
Thus, what will become of a similarly natured woman? Unless of course you believe the cosmos discriminates/is sexist...

Learn not from the lessons of those before you and you will suffer the experience yourself.

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feldman114 said:
You start you poast with “I’m not sexist”, then proceed to touch on EVERY sexist talking point out there.



The cosmos isn't sexist.
It doesn't discriminate.
It doesn't care what's between your legs.
If you approach it with certain energy, force, reckless abandon... As a ruthless/unhertened force of 'yang'.. As a 'man' .. As a force to be contended with.. it will respond in kind.

Ignore the slain bodies along the road side and you will eventually become one.
Consider yourself Mr/Ms. Badass who can survive and slay the wild and you will be tempered.


The universe doesn't give a shit about your gender and I don't give a shit about those who recklessly challenge it.
You're not a obstruction to my pursuits. No man will ever be or a woman. However, with the wrong attitude/energy, you will be an obstruction to your own ends.  Men held women back? Well now you're free. Enjoy the wild. There's no one coming to your aid or support... Be happy in your choice. Be content. As is the nature of a man born into the world... which wise men realize and temper and seek Yin to balance. If women mistake their nature/abandon it, the universe will balance it with a new form of Yin.

Just a messenger/observer. Do as you please. I have no horse in this race. It's not my funeral


Survival of the fittest. Prosperity of the most savage.
If you enter into this game and contend with the participants, you'll get exactly what you're seeking.


All my dawgs gon' slide, yeah
Bust up in your home, yeah
Home sweet homicide, yeah
All my dawgs is wild niggas, saw your dawg goodbye, yeah
Pet Sematary, I got all your dawgs inside, yeah
Yeah, y'all done lost your mind, yeah
And all my stars aligned, yeah
So all my dawgs gon' shine, yeah
All my dawgs is slimes, yeah
It's war like Vietnam, yeah
Throw that dog a bone, wait...
That might be a bomb, damn


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Enjoy the ride and dance with the wolves. I'm enjoying the show.
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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #26468666 - 02/04/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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DividedQuantum said:
Well originally, with people like Susan B. Anthony especially, the intention was to get the vote and to be unrestricted to enter the workplace. Now they have that, and the majority do not seem satisfied. I agree with others that women are certainly not happier, but then no one is. The whole American populace has historically low happiness numbers (for which they are able to poll).

I'm not sure there are any golden ages, and the current age women are in is certainly not one, either. It seems the more concessions that develop for women socioculturally, the feminist groups increasingly demand more. So no, nobody is better off.




Nothing has ever changed in the cosmos but the arrangement of the deck chairs :
Quote:


Yin/Yang.
When either gets out of balance, there is broad suffering.
Women/Men.
When either gets out of balance, there is broad suffering.

Women are unbalanced and in new uncharted waters.
They are taking leisure with this newly found 'freedom'.. Lots of men are taking leisure with this dynamic even further  and it is resulting in lots of mistakes and suffering.
Eventually, they will be tempered as they already are by the consequences/mistakes/mishaps of 'free roaming'.

Men are suffering due to this chaos too.
The universe eventually restores balance/order.





Quite the show when you remove yourself from the stage.
No horse in the race affords a unique vantage point.
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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: r00tcmplx]
    #26468672 - 02/04/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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feldman114 said:
I don’t think any women contributed to this thread. Makes it sorta irrelevant
:unwanted:



Quote:

r00tcmplx said:
Quote:

feldman114 said:
Except physical labor, what exactly are men “better conditioned for than women”?





Keep roaming wildly in the universe/cosmos and you'll find out.
Keep quickly glancing over wisdom and the truth of its pronouncement you will experience its nature in the flesh.
Keep thinking you are above the natures/laws/forces of the cosmos and you will be 'shown'.

What befalls a man who egotistically fires off their free-will? Who chaotically roams in the wild?
A man who welcomes challenge?
Thus, what will become of a similarly natured woman? Unless of course you believe the cosmos discriminates/is sexist...

Learn not from the lessons of those before you and you will suffer the experience yourself.

Quote:

feldman114 said:
You start you poast with “I’m not sexist”, then proceed to touch on EVERY sexist talking point out there.



The cosmos isn't sexist.
It doesn't discriminate.
It doesn't care what's between your legs.
If you approach it with certain energy, force, reckless abandon... As a ruthless/unhertened force of 'yang'.. As a 'man' .. As a force to be contended with.. it will respond in kind.

Ignore the slain bodies along the road side and you will eventually become one.
Consider yourself Mr/Ms. Badass who can survive and slay the wild and you will be tempered.


The universe doesn't give a shit about your gender and I don't give a shit about those who recklessly challenge it.
You're not a obstruction to my pursuits. No man will ever be or a woman. However, with the wrong attitude/energy, you will be an obstruction to your own ends.  Men held women back? Well now you're free. Enjoy the wild. There's no one coming to your aid or support... Be happy in your choice. Be content. As is the nature of a man born into the world... which wise men realize and temper and seek Yin to balance. If women mistake their nature/abandon it, the universe will balance it with a new form of Yin.

Just a messenger/observer. Do as you please. I have no horse in this race. It's not my funeral


Survival of the fittest. Prosperity of the most savage.
If you enter into this game and contend with the participants, you'll get exactly what you're seeking.


All my dawgs gon' slide, yeah
Bust up in your home, yeah
Home sweet homicide, yeah
All my dawgs is wild niggas, saw your dawg goodbye, yeah
Pet Sematary, I got all your dawgs inside, yeah
Yeah, y'all done lost your mind, yeah
And all my stars aligned, yeah
So all my dawgs gon' shine, yeah
All my dawgs is slimes, yeah
It's war like Vietnam, yeah
Throw that dog a bone, wait...
That might be a bomb, damn


:raisemyglass:

Enjoy the ride and dance with the wolves. I'm enjoying the show.
#Queenslay



Rx: Superiority Complex.

please, bestow your wisdom on my unworthy ears, oh great shower of forces.

Nvm, please don’t, I’m not worthy:tryingnottodie:


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: feldman114]
    #26468695 - 02/04/20 03:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

feldman114 said:
#Queenslay



Rx: Superiority Complex.

please, bestow your wisdom on my unworthy ears, oh great shower of forces.

Nvm, please don’t, I’m not worthy:tryingnottodie:




I don't exist. I have no power. I am lower than dirt.
I clearly have no wisdom according to you... the cosmos clearly has shown you different.
Who am I to argue with that? I am nothing and nobody in the grand scheme.
I have no impact on chosen reality our outcomes.
Thanks btw for you enlightened 'wisdom' on this matter.. God I love this world. It never disappointments.



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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: r00tcmplx] * 1
    #26471837 - 02/06/20 11:12 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Regardless of whether you have a superiority complex I agree with much of what you have said on the matter. A big problem with communication, especially in the context of philosophy, is the concept of keeping things non personal. It is pointless to attack someone's character when they have provided input on the topic which can be refuted or supported. Getting personal is a human tendency. Learning to not make it personal is always the topic of philosophy, regardless of the topic.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: Pinkerton]
    #26471936 - 02/06/20 12:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Regardless of whether you have a superiority complex I agree with much of what you have said on the matter. A big problem with communication, especially in the context of philosophy, is the concept of keeping things non personal. It is pointless to attack someone's character when they have provided input on the topic which can be refuted or supported. Getting personal is a human tendency. Learning to not make it personal is always the topic of philosophy, regardless of the topic.





An acquisition of someone having a superiority complex is often the result of someone with an inferiority complex projecting their insecurities. I don't even believe in the concept of a superiority complex because no one is superior.. Everyone's dirt including myself. I know what I am and what I'm not. I know the truthfulness of my words and where they come from. If someone misinterprets that, it's to their own folly.  If you agree on what I said, let it be that.

I will not let a person lob idiotic personal commentary in the face of sound truth they can't refute all to protect their insecurities. I will call such behavior out as I have called out the modern idiocy centered on women.. the folly and despair it will lead to. Some people don't like the truth because they live in the belly of lies and/or ignorance. That's not my fault or problem. A person's emotional response to the truth isn't my problem either. I frankly don't care. I have a spine and I use it constructively. Not calling out clear ignorance and foolishness for what it is, results in our modern predicament to begin with.

Also, for shits and giggles, please point out where I said something non truthful in this thread. Also, apply this to what you claim are 'personal' comments. In that, you'll maybe realize something profound:
Pro-tip : The truth isn't personal.

If you're taking things personal, you maybe need to adjust your perspective/emotions.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: r00tcmplx]
    #26471967 - 02/06/20 12:32 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Lol you’re so outraged with my “idiotic personal commentary” that you decide to get personal too?

Yesss your logic is sound.

Reread your rambling post (I assume you weren’t sober) and you’ll see what I meant. Talkin bout:
Quote:

Learn not from the lessons of those before you and you will suffer the experience yourself




Like wuut? This isn’t some deep spiritual discussion, bud.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: feldman114]
    #26471980 - 02/06/20 12:42 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

feldman114 said:
Lol you’re so outraged with my “idiotic personal commentary” that you decide to get personal too?

Yesss your logic is sound.

Reread your rambling post (I assume you weren’t sober) and you’ll see what I meant. Talkin bout:
Quote:

Learn not from the lessons of those before you and you will suffer the experience yourself




Like wuut? This isn’t some deep spiritual discussion, bud.



I'm not outraged. Zero emotion underlies my commentary.
I also only give a person a certain number of tries to reorient themselves to an established sensible metric.
After that, you're going to be ghosted and you have hit your limit.


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Re: Do you think women in their 20's - 30's had it better today [Re: r00tcmplx]
    #26471986 - 02/06/20 12:44 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Pfff oh nooo:rofl2:


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