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#26429089 - 01/12/20 03:22 AM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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Im using the abbreviations
FWC for fermented woodchip SWC for sterilized woodchip
I picked up some woodcip from a tree surgeon friend got to work. In a bin I 3/4 filled it up with water, in the meantime perforated every 2 inches 10mm holes another bin that fits snugly inside the first. This is good for straw cold lime and fermenting techniques.
The smaller bin was then filled with woodchip and lowered into the first bin with a heavy brick then placed on top of it. This was left to ferment for 2 weeks. Once time was up I lifted the bin out and left to drain for a few hours
Its this guy who turned me onto this
SWC, prep
I took 4 bags worth - 16kg and placed them in a filtered bag, These were then put in the PC and cooked for 2.5 hours. Note that the 2 week fermenting isnt necessary for this but I decided to try this half way through the soak.
FWC prep
As this was just an experiment and I thought it would arse out I only used 2 bags worth 4kg. I gave them a good shake in my giant sieve and when I was happy with water content bagged them up
I took all the bags to the flow hood with 3 quart jars of od Azures squeaky clean spawn.
****** For the sake of clarity, the bags lower in the PC did get take on extra water due to my poor sterilizing technique which was drained off but water level on some of the bags was higher. So will have to add another back to back to see if this makes a difference. Saying that not all the bags had this happen to them.
I spawned half a quart to each bag and impulse sealed all the bags up and took them to the colonising shelves.
The said shelves are in my bedroom and at a pleasant 65-70 degrees constantly, by a window that only receives evening sun in the summer which isnt a bad thing for spawn at all.
Day 2
The mycellium has leapt of the grains with the FWC bags and look super happy atm, its a long way to go but im surprised.

The mycelium on the SWC is recovering but definitely thinks the chips are foreign atm and hasn't made its mind up yet

Day 5 and again the FWC are getting colonised quick by the Azures spawn

The SWC on the other hand are not being enjoyed yet by the spawn and as you can see the grains are almost fully colonised and havent leapt off yet.

Day 7 and what could be a disaster has struck the FWC. I am now breeding wood knats in a sealed bag. Will it fully colonise is the question as they are still totally outrunning the sterilised bags
FWC


SWC


Day 8 and its 60%+ colonised for the FWC and 25% for the SWC
If this continues it will mean you can fully colonise a woodchip bag in less that 20 days. Lets see.
FWC

SWC

Day 9
Colonization is speeding up on the FWC if thats possible, we are now at 80% and my lovely wood knats are having a blast too.

The SWC on the other hand are still struggling to see the woodchips as food at and have double layers themselves on the grains. They see happy enough but just arent leaping off yet. I broke one bag up and remixed it a little to see if that would make a difference. It did (pic 1 and 2) and you can see it leaping off a bit more. I will leave 2 WC bags alone for the sake of science but might give another a good shake to see what happens.
 
Day 12
FWC
95% done, just the last straggly bits on the outside, I decided to mix 1 bag up

SWC
The bags I mixed up are recovering slowly but the ones I left alone have started expanding quickly now to 60%

Day 19
FWC
They just refused to 100% colonise and in 5 days im off to Thailand so they will be expanded into more FMC anyway. There is a slight contamination on one of the bags but im thinking there is enough good mycellium to let nature do its thing. The bag I mixed up has recovered and looks clean(last picture)

SWC
Its still taking its time but looks clean. These will be left until I return from Asia.

Day 22
FWC
One bag has a really bad contamination but im going to spawn, after removing the green gunk mold, to some fermented woodchips today, because as long as the clean mycellium is used all will be well and it will well outrun any contamination.....

SWC
An absolute turn around at the last minute, Where out of the 4 bags 3 had no more than 60% colonised, the one I put at the back and had mixed has fully colonised.

Due to this outstanding last minute performance byt the SWC bag I am going to do a side by side comparison on STC on soaked woodchips verses FWC on more FWC.
FWC on FWC expansion
So after pouring out the fermented woodchips onto my massive sieve whilst obviously holding my nose as FWC smell like rotten arse I left it there to drain for a while

The spawn was layered into the bins and given a shake at the end

The gunky bag had the contamination taken off and was added

It lost a 1/4 of its mass
SWC on soaked wood chip expansion
Having over half the spawn of the FWC I measured out woodchips accordingly

There was a bit of grey mold in the bag but I mixed it all in to see what happens, it might effect results but it will be fun anyway.
It was mixed the same giving these results for both

They were place in my shed, by the window for extra warmth on the sunny days and covered as I have my flow hood in there ass well an if it goes south I dont want to shit mould all over my lab.


Its cold in the UK at the moment so there might not be that much growth in the 6 weeks away but I will update when back.
Just for shits and giggles I am taking some more FWC bags and chucking in some Allenii hoping I have something I can spawn in March.........
Allenii on FWC



Allenii on SWC

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Day 66
Ive just got back from my travels from Thailand and leaving the spawned woodchips in the shed worked a treat.
100% colonisation in all the buckets including a last minute one I did with a spare jar.

FWC

SWC

Random extra bucket using grain spawn and FWC

I am now just getting the date for my buddys next wood chipping session for his business after which I will do one patch FWC and one WC
Day 68
Disaster in the FWC bucket, I went to pour it out into its grow box and the bottom 1/4 was contaminated with a yellow wood bacteria.
Im hoping being outside and in the open air will kill that or at least weaken it so the Az can thrive.
The other FWC bucket is fine and I have a feeling it was the slightly skanky bag at the beginning.
This is what it looks like. Ive been advised to dry it so that is the next step

Day 76
After leaving to dry for a week it looks good now. Going to mix with FWC in another 5-6 days.

I built some grow boxes so I can compare side by side
How to https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26533842
Day 77
I soaked some grains and mixed in the SWC batch and added a soil casing layer.
         
In the meantime washing the bin that had the spawn in it to soak some more chips for some winecaps spawn on the way.
 
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Re: Getting you woodlover patch down quick; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags [Re: Edmunter]
#26451151 - 01/25/20 04:01 AM (4 years, 4 days ago) |
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Keeping for conclusion
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: cronicr]
#26452038 - 01/25/20 02:47 PM (4 years, 4 days ago) |
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: staytrippy420]
#26453167 - 01/26/20 08:58 AM (4 years, 3 days ago) |
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Just found a jar of azures id mixed up with cubes so decided to take a lidded bin and layer in woodchips and grains and just leave to see what happens.
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
#26453181 - 01/26/20 09:07 AM (4 years, 3 days ago) |
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#26453518 - 01/26/20 01:03 PM (4 years, 3 days ago) |
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Started an Allenii comparison, results to be posted in 5 weeks upon my return.
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
#26453639 - 01/26/20 02:18 PM (4 years, 3 days ago) |
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What’s the advantage of bags? I always use trash cans or extra tubs , seems too be a lot faster
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Shroomhunts]
#26453654 - 01/26/20 02:26 PM (4 years, 3 days ago) |
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Shroomhunts said: What’s the advantage of bags? I always use trash cans or extra tubs , seems too be a lot faster
Do you mean you put your grains into a tub with wood chips and its faster than colonising a bag and adding that?
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
#26453662 - 01/26/20 02:32 PM (4 years, 3 days ago) |
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Looking forward to seeing this when you get back Ed
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
#26453666 - 01/26/20 02:32 PM (4 years, 3 days ago) |
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Yeah I spawn wbs to tube or bins. Sometimes I will just burry a cake outdoors seems to take over pretty quick. I’m usually working with ovoids tho I’ve heard azures are more finicky
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Shroomhunts]
#26453672 - 01/26/20 02:35 PM (4 years, 3 days ago) |
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Shroomhunts said: Yeah I spawn wbs to tube or bins. Sometimes I will just burry a cake outdoors seems to take over pretty quick. I’m usually working with ovoids tho I’ve heard azures are more finicky
Bags are good cause I will use 3 and give 3 away to friends...
Id like to test your theory though. I will have some cyan spawn soon so will add a back to back here to see if you are right. Do you colonise the in the bins they will fruit from?
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
#26453675 - 01/26/20 02:36 PM (4 years, 3 days ago) |
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Edmunter said:
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Shroomhunts said: Yeah I spawn wbs to tube or bins. Sometimes I will just burry a cake outdoors seems to take over pretty quick. I’m usually working with ovoids tho I’ve heard azures are more finicky
Bags are good cause I will use 3 and give 3 away to friends...
and I have 24KG of spawn in amonth
Id like to test your theory though. I will have some cyan spawn soon so will add a back to back here to see if you are right. Do you colonise the in the bins they will fruit from?
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
#26453702 - 01/26/20 02:53 PM (4 years, 3 days ago) |
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I have only fruited them in pots/bins a few times, also I rarely use grain as spawn, usually I just take mycelium from my mother patch to use as spawn for my void projects. If you transplant a large area of myc without damaging the pins you can create a new patch instantly, however this requires a large mother patch. I only use grains if I’m trying to start a clone patch. It may sound primitive and low tek but I have found most my success in these methods because they work with nature instead of against it. You will never be able to math the yeilds of a good bed just by fruiting bins. Transplanting large areas of the myc keeps the mycelium network intact allowing the new patch to thrive and produce fruits while colonizing the fresh patch. I’m hoping to write a tek for irrigated woodlover patches if I get some free time this spring.
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Shroomhunts]
#26453716 - 01/26/20 03:00 PM (4 years, 3 days ago) |
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Shroomhunts said: I have only fruited them in pots/bins a few times, also I rarely use grain as spawn, usually I just take mycelium from my mother patch to use as spawn for my void projects. If you transplant a large area of myc without damaging the pins you can create a new patch instantly, however this requires a large mother patch. I only use grains if I’m trying to start a clone patch. It may sound primitive and low tek but I have found most my success in these methods because they work with nature instead of against it. You will never be able to math the yeilds of a good bed just by fruiting bins. Transplanting large areas of the myc keeps the mycelium network intact allowing the new patch to thrive and produce fruits while colonizing the fresh patch. I’m hoping to write a tek for irrigated woodlover patches if I get some free time this spring.
Of course thats the best way, how do you replenish the mother patch after the season. Can you double its size?
This whole thread is about taking a new species and creating a woodpatch. By April I will have them in their spiritual homes. If you look in my signature you can see some grows ive done.
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter] 1
#26453722 - 01/26/20 03:04 PM (4 years, 3 days ago) |
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I have a patch in a spot where landscaping companies dump the chipped trees. The patch never really needs replenished. However I have another patch on the grounds of a senior home, it’s huge and the scape company dumps fresh chips on top every year so they do it for me haha
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Shroomhunts]
#26453776 - 01/26/20 03:34 PM (4 years, 3 days ago) |
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Shroomhunts said: I have a patch in a spot where landscaping companies dump the chipped trees. The patch never really needs replenished. However I have another patch on the grounds of a senior home, it’s huge and the scape company dumps fresh chips on top every year so they do it for me haha
Thats cool. If I get enough I might get my tree surgeon mate to dump a load where he dumps it.
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#26454889 - 01/27/20 10:07 AM (4 years, 2 days ago) |
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#26454927 - 01/27/20 10:33 AM (4 years, 2 days ago) |
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: filthyknees]
#26463832 - 02/01/20 02:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey wondering if I’m on the right track here. I’m moving azures and cyans onto cardboard today and wanted to make one tub fermented Wood chips for each. So I bought these (I plan on chipping my own alder when it comes time to make the beds but was in town today and wanted to get started):

Chips and chunks:

Mixed them in a bucket and cut a lid with holes to put inside:

I put the lid in and put it a rock on top:

Sealed and waiting two weeks:

Does this make sense or am I on the wrong track? I could just use this to soak em for 48 hours and then pasteurize or sterilize but I was thinking one tub fermented, one tub pasteurized and one bag sterilized for each species...
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: orca shrooms]
#26464070 - 02/01/20 05:34 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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You are on the right track, so u have a tub inside a tub right?
I use bucket this size and preferate it ll over and fill with wood chips. SORRY ITS THE ONLY EXAMPLE OF SIZE I HAVE. Just imagine no mushrooms and lots of holes. Its so its make pasterising anything this size be it with chips, straw, cold Lime or fermenting method it make life easier. You can just dump chips in a tube fill with water, weigh it down and use like that, its just I prefer to take them out to leave them on the side for a few hours and then they are ready to use or at a decent field capacity to use in bags.
I then lower into a bin like this that is big enough so the draining bucket fits in. I then fill with water , put a brick on it and leave it for 2 weeks uncovered.

You will notice the wood goes a more orange colour and it stinks when you use it. Using it fr 4kg expansion bags is in experimental stage and id very much like someone else to try it as speed was very good. Any colonisation over 80% is usable so thats your target. I got a fully colonised bag in 3 weeks.
To expand to a mother patch you just ferment lots more and it colonises super quick. You can use the soaked chips for both pasteurisation and sterile expansion.
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
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Sweet thanks!
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: orca shrooms]
#26464262 - 02/01/20 07:34 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Have you tried sterilizing fermented chips and inoculating those?
Got 4 jars of ps cyan grain spawn from a super nice cluster, was thinking about trying a few different ways as well. I’d probably spawn to fermented chips in a tote but ai do have xls spawn bags withcthe 5 micron filter too.
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: AyePlus]
#26464381 - 02/01/20 09:50 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I havent. Please post any results as im really enjoying gathering info here.
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Over the years ive tried many things with chips. boil on fire,ferment,rain soak,bleach soak, no soak, sugar soak, presure cook.
But in my opinion a mix of random age, species, size,sterility, bacterial, mix match of wood chips collected from where ever you see it has best results for spawn to jump off and colonize quickly, also after your first time spawning to the wood chips from spawn jars/bags regular earth surface debri needs to be added from ten on out. Things like leaves in all sorts of decay, twigs, tree pollens yard debri and random things that get blown around in the natural weather.
from my experience most aggressive/effective winter spawn run for following fall fruits was clean wild spores on agar, then put to regular pc'ed grain jars prepped with just a few slivers or crumbs of any type wood.
clean cultures will have no issue eating both grain or small wood debri.(My opinion it helps while spawning?) Here you can see first jump to wood in many cases.

Ive used strait wood many times but it just is to slow to colonize and you have weak jars of spawn that is not helping your first outdoor spawn to wood chips. example:
 Using colonized grain jars w/bits wood in grain to make your first outdoor,first spawning of the spring for your new beds works so nuch better. very first spawn 1 to 1 to the random types wood and condition you will hardly beleive your eyes how fast wood lovers can colonize a substrate. just do small 1 to 1 for first outdoor of year spawn. random wood will introduce your indoor protected grain spawn to the vastly different outdoor bio-verse they will be living in. example of first spawn to random wood (1 jar indoor gain, rest mixed random wood, 1 week colonization.)
   . trying to use one kind wood prepped a certain way in my experience isnt very successful and all kinds of weird things happen and rarely any first year fruits. second spawn of now outdoor wood spawn you have many options but first year i prefer to not break the block up to much and just put random wood and debris on and around the mycilium. over the years hunting wood lovers one thing is clear, biggest, chunkiest patches are on incline/declines even if slight(Not always but healthier happy looking fruits for sure) and the substrate is a mix mash of woods, leaves, debri, and lots of times trash. example second spawn:
      from my experience its best not to try and contain a patch and just give it a one wood diet rather arrange them in a way they will expand naturally by gravity, weather and natures movement in a whole. I used to start pataches all over town and would make games of it like wondering how many years until this myc connects with that myc and try and inoculate giant piles of chips and stuff so they would spread on there own by many means. example;
 contained beds in my experience just eat and eat chips turning it into dirt but not much fruit. example.
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It's just my opinion that theres a whole lot more to a wood lover than a particular wood chip and how its prepared. No matter what, all this and everything we all do helps in so many ways and benefits everyone directly or indirectly. for that my friends i thank each and every one of you and all the effort you put in to help gain the understanding. Thank you!
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Lovely work man!!!!
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: NothingsChanged]
#26475252 - 02/08/20 10:20 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Great post NothingsChanged! One myth that refuses to die is that woodlovers need 2 seasons/years before they fruit. They can all be fruited in 6 months or less by following the advice in NothingsChanged post. No use of cardboard either
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My man NC.
Nice write up brother man
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#26475259 - 02/08/20 10:28 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thank you for that NC. Comes along at the perfect time!!
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I’ve got 4 quart jars of Ps. cyan clone mycelium, was thinking about spawning each to a sweaterbox with a 2:1 mix of chips and sawdust. Dont have anything fermenting yet, would it be worthwhile to wait a week or two while I ferment some chips?Or should i just spawn to pasteurized chips and expand to the fermented chips in a couple weeks when they are ready? Once I have a couple totes full of myc I will be making an outdoor patch with fermented chips, but still a few weeks away from that..
I can already tell from stem butt experiments they dont much care for the un treated softwood pellets but i figure adding a sawdust component to hardwood (willow and alder) chips Is a good idea.
Open to any suggestions.

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Hopefully it can perform that well again...
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: AyePlus]
#26475856 - 02/08/20 05:30 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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AyePlus said: I’ve got 4 quart jars of Ps. cyan clone mycelium, was thinking about spawning each to a sweaterbox with a 2:1 mix of chips and sawdust. Dont have anything fermenting yet, would it be worthwhile to wait a week or two while I ferment some chips?Or should i just spawn to pasteurized chips and expand to the fermented chips in a couple weeks when they are ready? Once I have a couple totes full of myc I will be making an outdoor patch with fermented chips, but still a few weeks away from that..
I can already tell from stem butt experiments they dont much care for the un treated softwood pellets but i figure adding a sawdust component to hardwood (willow and alder) chips Is a good idea.
Open to any suggestions.

Clone came from

Hopefully it can perform that well again...
If its for an expansion before patch id spawn to chips and use fermented later. Its all about timing...
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
#26475889 - 02/08/20 05:52 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26484168 - 02/13/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Do you reckon you could do this and ferment sawdust? I just ordered a bag off eBay and thought it was 25kg but turned out to be 40kg and it’s fucking huge 
I need to get it used, thought it would be better and cheaper than hwfp but now I’ve found some and I’m stuck with this fucking huge bag of sawdust that’s making a right mess in my house
I was thinking get a massive trough of some sort, leave out covered in water for a couple of weeks, drain, then inoculate the shit out of them with a variety of wood loving spawn and hope for the best lol
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Smoothcat]
#26484172 - 02/13/20 06:06 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've seen sawdust loaded into pails and flooded. Scalable in either direction.
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Smoothcat]
#26484201 - 02/13/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Smoothcat said: Do you reckon you could do this and ferment sawdust? I just ordered a bag off eBay and thought it was 25kg but turned out to be 40kg and it’s fucking huge 
I need to get it used, thought it would be better and cheaper than hwfp but now I’ve found some and I’m stuck with this fucking huge bag of sawdust that’s making a right mess in my house
I was thinking get a massive trough of some sort, leave out covered in water for a couple of weeks, drain, then inoculate the shit out of them with a variety of wood loving spawn and hope for the best lol
Try it an report back
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
#26524887 - 03/09/20 01:51 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Bobbit]
#26526349 - 03/09/20 10:52 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice, what are these?
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
#26527253 - 03/10/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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P.subaeruginosa.
Grown in layered poplar chips (some fermented)
Got about 90 from 3 flushes. . . No canopies, beautiful big caps
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Bobbit]
#26527285 - 03/10/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: bootedboy]
#26530061 - 03/11/20 11:04 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Update on main time line and contamination!!!!!! Where the top of the FWC bucket looked great when I poured it out to the grow box, the botton 1/4 had a yellow contamination. Im hoping it will lose its grip being outside but dont have much experience with this.
Anyone know if this is toast or the Az can win?
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
#26530091 - 03/11/20 11:31 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Now that it is outside the the advantage favors the azure and the contams will weaken and slow to a hault.
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Astoriensis]
#26530234 - 03/12/20 03:34 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sounds like polySuchinsuch. I had this in the past. . . Was in a tub so I could spread it out i the sunshine. . . It has attacked a few times, it seems when tubs are too shaded. . .
Would love to know a trusted tested method though for a fixed patch. . .
Maybe photos for clarity. . .
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Bobbit]
#26530279 - 03/12/20 04:56 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Agreed, for slime mold just let it dry out a bunch.
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Bobbit]
#26530286 - 03/12/20 05:07 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Now ive mixed it up a bit I think its a bit better. Im going to leave it without adding more grains and let it dry a little.
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
#26530332 - 03/12/20 06:08 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yep that's slime mold. You need to spread it out even more and let it dry QUITE A BIT, not just a little. Don't worry about the myc, it handles that fine.
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
#26533712 - 03/13/20 11:52 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Edmunter said: Now ive mixed it up a bit I think its a bit better. Im going to leave it without adding more grains and let it dry a little.

smart little organism but not a huge threat, eventually it just moves on, u can keep some like a pet lol
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: cronicr]
#26533792 - 03/14/20 01:38 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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cronicr said:
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Edmunter said: Now ive mixed it up a bit I think its a bit better. Im going to leave it without adding more grains and let it dry a little.

smart little organism but not a huge threat, eventually it just moves on, u can keep some like a pet lol
So ive gone from bucket to grow box. When should I add the next expansion load of chips in the case of yellow slime mold?
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
#26544898 - 03/19/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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FWC Spawn is clean again, now waiting for fermented woodchips
Edited by Edmunter (03/20/20 11:15 AM)
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
#26546479 - 03/20/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I like the look of those boxes, tell me you didn't forget to put drainage holes in the bottom.
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26546640 - 03/20/20 01:00 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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p9hu7 said: I like the look of those boxes, tell me you didn't forget to put drainage holes in the bottom.
Take a look, they work for anything from growing tomatoes, woodlovers, oyster mushrooms, winecaps, weed.
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
#26546643 - 03/20/20 01:01 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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And you should be able to dump your bucket of soaked spawn in it so it soaks away.
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
#26546759 - 03/20/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I suppose I should have looked the first page, lol. Sorry, man. Looks awesome though. I want to run some plastic planter troughs this spring. Looking forward to watching the progress
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags [Re: Edmunter]
#27640558 - 02/01/22 08:42 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Great post! I'm also in the UK and I'm getting ready to start my own Cyan patch in the garden in the spring. I have some agar plates of Cyan myc and I've just collected a whole bunch of wood chip from a local park where they took down a load of trees.
Would you suggest fermenting is the best bet for this? Or can I just pasteurise in bleech water for 24 hours? I've seen people pasteurise using just boiling water and letting sit for 24 hours is that also ok?
Seeing as I have a bunch of wood chip from outdoor's I want to make sure I'm using the best method to clean it up before trying to inoculate.
I have some sterilised grain bags which I plan to inoculate with the agar. I'm also going to experiment with 1 tub and go straight from agar to wood chip.
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags [Re: LozMyKeys]
#27640594 - 02/01/22 09:12 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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So for fresh wood chip I would ferment or pasteurise. Not in bleach though, use lime.
Definitely go Agar, sterilised grains first though. My best results have then been to go to sterilised chips and then to expand from there.
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags [Re: Edmunter]
#27809156 - 06/07/22 02:00 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Edmunter said: So for fresh wood chip I would ferment or pasteurise. Not in bleach though, use lime.
So ferment freshly cut chips? Still can't find very much info on if psilocybe wood lovers prefer fresh or aged chips; opinions are all over the place.
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
#28400254 - 07/19/23 02:25 AM (6 months, 7 days ago) |
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Edmunter said: SWC grow box prepped
 
After wood fermentation shall i pastersit it yet?
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: gulis]
#28616500 - 01/10/24 02:56 PM (18 days, 8 hours ago) |
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Sorry I missed this.
Fermentation is the pasteurizing stage.
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