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Passing out/fainting on shrooms???
    #26427975 - 01/11/20 12:04 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

For some reason, i always feel like im going to faint on the come up on mushrooms. I have actually fainted and woke up the ground a few times. This issue seems to be exacerbated by drinking alcohol and smoking pot. My last trip i was coming up (and had not drank or smoked at this point) and felt mildly light headed when standing up. Once i came up, the feeling went away un till i had a couple beers and smoked a couple bowls. Even laying on the couch, i felt as if i was going to faint. If i had stood up from the couch, i would have fainted. While this Was happening my heart beat was sped up and inconsistent, like it would stop for a sec, beat really fast, stop for a sec again, ect. I have a diagnosed heart murmor that is supposedly benign. I've had several ekg's that all came back normal. Anyway, The feeling lasted un till i sobered up a little, and left me with a dull ache deep in the right side of my abdomen. This ache lasted for around a week after the trip. I have no idea what happened to cause this pain but i have never had it nor do i ever feel like im going to pass out when sober. I feel as if it might happen occasionaly when i smoke pot though. Im thinking that if i want to take mushrooms, i cant combine then with pot and alc even in small amounts. This is only with shrooms, never had a problem with this on lsd

Has any body has something like this happen?


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Re: Passing out/fainting on shrooms??? [Re: JMX9]
    #26428103 - 01/11/20 01:20 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Could be vasodilation and in turn lowered blood pressure. Alcohol is quite the vasodilator, and THC has said to have some vasodilative properties as well. It could also have something to do with low blood sugar perhaps.

Fainting on mushrooms seems relatively common for some people, i've read multiple posts where it's happened.


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Re: Passing out/fainting on shrooms??? [Re: Sabnock]
    #26428237 - 01/11/20 02:30 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Could be vasodilation and in turn lowered blood pressure. Alcohol is quite the vasodilator, and THC has said to have some vasodilative properties as well. It could also have something to do with low blood sugar perhaps.

Fainting on mushrooms seems relatively common for some people, i've read multiple posts where it's happened.




I was thinking that also. My buddy i tripped with had the same thing happen around the same time as me


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Re: Passing out/fainting on shrooms??? [Re: JMX9]
    #26428289 - 01/11/20 02:49 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

seems to be more common with wood loving species as well such as cyans, allenis and azurescens (with it being most common in azzys).

seen it happen before at music festivals too to people we've taken care of in sanctuary space.  really scary when it happens, but just make sure the person doesn't hit their head, is taken somewhere to lay down and relax and be slowly fed water and electrolytes.  nothing to seriously worry about beyond falling down and hitting themselves somewhere.


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Re: Passing out/fainting on shrooms??? [Re: JMX9]
    #26428326 - 01/11/20 03:08 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Has any body has something like this happen?





Yes. It is sorta common actually, certainly not unheard of.

I've fainted from mushrooms before (and so has a friend of mine), and I see threads/posts about people fainting from mushrooms literally at least once a month around this place, and I have for many years now...Not a month goes by around here with out a thread/story about people experiencing low BP from mushrooms and/or full on fainting & collapsing. There was one just a week or two ago.

If you do a search I'm sure you'll find a lot of posts/threads on the topic of mushrooms/low blood pressure/fainting.


Mushrooms can make blood pressure all wonky. Cannabis and/or alcohol will only exacerbate the issue of low BP. Both cannabis and alcohol cause a drop in BP themselves.

And if you haven't ate much prior to dosing, low blood sugar can also contribute to low BP.



As far as the ache you had on the side of your abdomen, I can't really say :shrug: ...But it is not likely related to the issue of low blood pressure.




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Re: Passing out/fainting on shrooms??? [Re: openmind]
    #26428469 - 01/11/20 04:27 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yes this is not something new - I believe it has to do with low blood pressure as said above. Honestly, people always say to fast prior to a dose, but an hour or so before I make sure I get in some oatmeal with some dried fruit or something with a little bit of peanut butter. Anything to help keep blood sugar levels at a normal level.

Because I don't really eat while tripping, and I like knowing I have something in my stomach.. and it's mindful eating. I eat that specific meal for the reasons of it being a slow digesting carb, as well as the peanut butter to help further slow down digestion so I'm cruising at a nice blood sugar level - which helps with blood pressure

I'm a mindful eater though. I know what certain foods do and know when and how to eat them (bodybuilding taught me this years ago) - but it definitely is something I don't neglect. I've never had a "weak" trip neither from eating something an hour or so prior.

Also - I feel like your brain enjoys the nourishment when being in such a demanding state:rockon:


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Re: Passing out/fainting on shrooms??? [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #26428505 - 01/11/20 04:46 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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....Honestly, people always say to fast prior to a dose, but an hour or so before I make sure I get in some oatmeal with some dried fruit or something with a little bit of peanut butter. Anything to help keep blood sugar levels at a normal level.








Same here.

I never ever "fast" before dosing.

I actually make sure I have a good meal and some nutrition/sugar in my blood before I trip.

I don't eat anything for at least an hour before I dose....but even the times I've had a big full meal right before dosing, I still trip just fine like usual.

Dosing on an empty stomach and fasting isn't needed at all, I don't understand why it is something that's repeated online so much and why so many people feel that they need to go with out eating before they dose a psychedelic...the only thing that does for me is creates more potential for low blood sugar & low blood pressure.





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Re: Passing out/fainting on shrooms??? [Re: openmind]
    #26428591 - 01/11/20 05:46 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I always fast for around 6 hours before a trip, just because it hits faster and stronger in my experience. Good to hear I'm not dealing with some weird reaction to them. Wish there was some research on this so we can see exactly what's happening.


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Re: Passing out/fainting on shrooms??? [Re: JMX9]
    #26428616 - 01/11/20 06:06 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I always fast for around 6 hours before a trip, just because it hits faster and stronger in my experience. Good to hear I'm not dealing with some weird reaction to them. Wish there was some research on this so we can see exactly what's happening.





I don't really notice much of a difference between dosing on a completely empty stomach and dosing right after eating a big meal.

If I wanted them to "hit faster and stronger" then I'd just take a little bit larger of a dose rather than going with out eating....but I don't have any need for them to hit faster & stronger, I'm usually starting to trip within 30 minutes after dosing.


I don't think it's a big mystery about what's happening...mushrooms just cause a drop in blood pressure for some folks, and there might be something going on with blood sugar too.




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Re: Passing out/fainting on shrooms??? [Re: openmind]
    #26428635 - 01/11/20 06:24 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Do you have a high metabolism?

If I eat before it takes ages and comes in drips.


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Re: Passing out/fainting on shrooms??? [Re: pineninja]
    #26428689 - 01/11/20 07:14 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Could try adding in a bit of Caffeine maybe. Back during my Aya experimentation i'd always be sipping on a Caffeinated soda and the Caffeine would add some stimulation to things, plus the sweetness adding some carbs, could be worth checking out with mushrooms perhaps. But do take it easy on the Caffeine, too much Caffeine may contribute to an increase in anxiety, nervousness, panic, etc.


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Re: Passing out/fainting on shrooms??? [Re: Sabnock]
    #26428848 - 01/11/20 09:40 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Could try adding in a bit of Caffeine maybe. Back during my Aya experimentation i'd always be sipping on a Caffeinated soda and the Caffeine would add some stimulation to things, plus the sweetness adding some carbs, could be worth checking out with mushrooms perhaps. But do take it easy on the Caffeine, too much Caffeine may contribute to an increase in anxiety, nervousness, panic, etc.



All the things that would make you want to die:lol:

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I always fast for around 6 hours before a trip, just because it hits faster and stronger in my experience. Good to hear I'm not dealing with some weird reaction to them. Wish there was some research on this so we can see exactly what's happening.



I never felt the need to fast either. Like I said earlier as well as OM - we usually eat an hour prior to a trip with little to any effect on the intensity of the trip. Even if I had a pretty big meal, they're still hitting me hard in about 40 mins or so.

Definitely has something to do with blood sugar/pressure - and this is why I always make sure theres something in my stomach helping regulate such things - AKA: Complex carbs:rockon:

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Do you have a high metabolism?

If I eat before it takes ages and comes in drips.



Speaking for myself, my metabolism is like a damn wild fire. But I've trained it to be. Shit, I gotta like like 4k calories these days to put on weight. But if that's the case of having a slow metabolism.. don't dose right after eating. Wait 2 hours or so then. As long as you have some type of complex carb digesting.. itll help with regulating your blood sugar.

Nutrition is #1 - everything else comes second.


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Re: Passing out/fainting on shrooms??? [Re: openmind]
    #26429054 - 01/12/20 02:02 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Same here.

I never ever "fast" before dosing.

I actually make sure I have a good meal and some nutrition/sugar in my blood before I trip.

I don't eat anything for at least an hour before I dose....but even the times I've had a big full meal right before dosing, I still trip just fine like usual.

Dosing on an empty stomach and fasting isn't needed at all, I don't understand why it is something that's repeated online so much and why so many people feel that they need to go with out eating before they dose a psychedelic...the only thing that does for me is creates more potential for low blood sugar & low blood pressure.

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There have been some really good discussions on here recently about blood sugar; a few people with diabetes, such as myself, have contributed in the importance of maintaining a healthy blood sugar.

In normal consciousness / reality mode, a low blood sugar / hypoglycaemia, is HORRIBLE. Basically your brain which can only burn glucose for energy, is running out of energy. So it kickstarts a release of Adrenalin into your system to stimulate the “fight or flight” response. You need to go out and hunt some food RIGHT NOW. The range of effects from a hypo can be traumatic.

So to put that “hypo” into the context of tripping......well I for one would never want to go there. BUT: I have noticed a diminished trip if I’ve eaten a meal before tripping.

SO: I always fast for a minimum 6 hours before. My blood sugar will be a healthy fasting blood sugar of 6-7mmol/l (hypo <4mmol/l) before dosing. I drink a mushroom tea, then rinse the glass out with roughly 150ml of smooth orange juice (basically sugar). This will stop my blood sugar falling below 6mmol/l and heading down towards 4mmol/l for a good 4 hours. By 4 hours into a trip I am generally starting to come down slowly and to feel really hungry. So I’ll then cook myself something to get back to normal eating and blood sugars.

The fainting MUST BE low blood pressure, in my opinion, because the effects from a low blood sugar would have become unbearable before you got to the stage of fainting.

Always take care, and keep those blood sugars healthy. Juice will not reduce your trip 👍🏻

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Re: Passing out/fainting on shrooms??? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26429323 - 01/12/20 08:58 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I'm thinking it would be best to stick with a carb based meal before tripping. Since fats and animal based proteins take around 4 to 6 hours to hit the small intestine, it would delay the onset of the mushrooms for sure. Maybe a big sweet potato or a bowl or oatmeal/brown rice would help. These foods only take an hour or so to leave your stomach which really wouldn't delay the trip. I can actually eat while tripping and enjoy it (some people cant even bare the thought) I could try to eat again a few hours after dosing. Going to make an experiment out of this to see what foods help the most, or delay the come up, nausea, meal timing, ect. I'm thinking complex carbs are the key though.


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Re: Passing out/fainting on shrooms??? [Re: JMX9]
    #26429411 - 01/12/20 10:01 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm thinking it would be best to stick with a carb based meal before tripping. Since fats and animal based proteins take around 4 to 6 hours to hit the small intestine, it would delay the onset of the mushrooms for sure. Maybe a big sweet potato or a bowl or oatmeal/brown rice would help. These foods only take an hour or so to leave your stomach which really wouldn't delay the trip. I can actually eat while tripping and enjoy it (some people cant even bare the thought) I could try to eat again a few hours after dosing. Going to make an experiment out of this to see what foods help the most, or delay the come up, nausea, meal timing, ect. I'm thinking complex carbs are the key though.



Keep us updated, please. I probably won’t change anything though as I’ve found a regime that works with my diabetes. And I have to be extra-disciplined on the come down, as sometimes I eat shed loads of munchies; then suffer the entire next day!

Take care, good luck,
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