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Side pins are becoming an annoyance.
#26429008 - 01/12/20 12:48 AM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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Ever since my first grows and whatnot I've always had issues with side pins. Never had really bothered me before when I just "needed" mushrooms - but now I'm just growing them for hobby reasons. Aesthetics nonetheless. But man, I cannot kick these side pins.
I've tapered the edges.. make sure there's good surface conditions... 12 hours of light.. just not sure what the issue is.
I've read that liners were a waste of time and effort - so haven't pursued that. But I would just love to figiure out a solution to these damn side pins. I even tried something new this time around and "cased" my sub with coir.
Hoping that it would lead the mushrooms to grow on the surface opposed to the sides. The pictures below are some of the sub that's the worse. And I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong, or if there's anything I can even do to prevent these.. I'm extremely careful with leveling it out and tapering the edges prior to putting them away to colonize.
The only thing I have not tried yet and don't even think I want to.. is a liner. But who knows. Any advice is appreciated- I'm still getting mushrooms.. but these are the types of grows I'm practicing canopy's.
Thanks again!
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glive
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Everything that I've read recently (although haven't personally tried yet) is that a liner almost always stops side pinning by preventing the micro-climate at the sides of the tub.
Why are you so hesitant to use a liner though? Why not make a small shoebox and give it a go just to see what happens?
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Re: Side pins are becoming an annoyance. [Re: glive]
#26429074 - 01/12/20 02:41 AM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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Can someone explain to me why people hate side pins?
I mean any and all pins are better than no pins right? Are side pins that much a contamination vector?
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MerryMoose
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Re: Side pins are becoming an annoyance. [Re: n0bel]
#26429119 - 01/12/20 04:28 AM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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n0bel said: Can someone explain to me why people hate side pins?
I mean any and all pins are better than no pins right? Are side pins that much a contamination vector?
You usually can't harvest side pins easily or at all, and they take resources that harvestable mushrooms would otherwise use, which means smaller yields.
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YogiBear



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Liners are the way to go. Lots of old timers and trusted cultivators use them daily. I stayed away from them for a long time and had nothing but side and bottom line.
Now ima believer...
Tray, liner, sub

Liner, sub

Sub

Check out my signature. Grocery Bag Liner Tek ๐๐
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Re: Side pins are becoming an annoyance. [Re: YogiBear]
#26429322 - 01/12/20 08:57 AM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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n0bel said: Can someone explain to me why people hate side pins?
I mean any and all pins are better than no pins right? Are side pins that much a contamination vector?
Not at all. When I first started doing mushrooms, I had zero issues with getting side pins. Didnt bother me at all - but thats just when I needed mushrooms. I'm now trying to make aesrrtics grows.. canopys. So the side pins are now starting to bother me lol.
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YogiBear said: Liners are the way to go. Lots of old timers and trusted cultivators use them daily. I stayed away from them for a long time and had nothing but side and bottom line.
Now ima believer...
Tray, liner, sub

Liner, sub

Sub

Check out my signature. Grocery Bag Liner Tek ๐๐
Yeah fuck it man. I'm going to let these flushes pan out.. and I'll use a liner for them second flush! Not sure why I'm being so weird about using a liner.
I appreciate the advice. Does a grocery bag work well for a shoebox?
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I don't think liners are frowned upon. I think using EXTERNAL liners is frowned upon haha. People who tape or paint the outside of the tub.
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Re: Side pins are becoming an annoyance. [Re: Smartattack]
#26429360 - 01/12/20 09:29 AM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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Liners have no advantage with shoeboxe size containers. If you light tamp the sides, maintain good surface conditions, and have enough FAE, you will not have sidepins. I can't get your pics to enlarge put from the color of the coco, it seems dry in the surface. Also, those lids look very sealed, so make sure that the sub gets air. If you haven't read this, its a great guide.
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Quote:
Vibe_Enthusiast said:
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n0bel said: Can someone explain to me why people hate side pins?
I mean any and all pins are better than no pins right? Are side pins that much a contamination vector?
Not at all. When I first started doing mushrooms, I had zero issues with getting side pins. Didnt bother me at all - but thats just when I needed mushrooms. I'm now trying to make aesrrtics grows.. canopys. So the side pins are now starting to bother me lol.
Quote:
YogiBear said: Liners are the way to go. Lots of old timers and trusted cultivators use them daily. I stayed away from them for a long time and had nothing but side and bottom line.
Now ima believer...
Tray, liner, sub

Liner, sub

Sub

Check out my signature. Grocery Bag Liner Tek ๐๐
Yeah fuck it man. I'm going to let these flushes pan out.. and I'll use a liner for them second flush! Not sure why I'm being so weird about using a liner.
I appreciate the advice. Does a grocery bag work well for a shoebox?
A Walmart bag fits great in a 6qt shoebox. ๐
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Re: Side pins are becoming an annoyance. [Re: rickyswamps]
#26429483 - 01/12/20 10:49 AM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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rickyswamps said: Liners have no advantage with shoeboxe size containers. If you light tamp the sides, maintain good surface conditions, and have enough FAE, you will not have sidepins. I can't get your pics to enlarge put from the color of the coco, it seems dry in the surface. Also, those lids look very sealed, so make sure that the sub gets air. If you haven't read this, its a great guide.
Not really too dry. Has a nice glisten on the surface nonetheless. I just popped the lids on both sides. Going to see what starts happening from there. When I first started doing the shoebox tek - I was told to keep the lids "snapped". They still get fae because they're not air tight. But maybe they're getting less because they're in my closet with the door semi closed sometimes.
I'll see how this works. Going to put liners in next flush and see what happens as well. I mean, I'm getting mushrooms so it's not like I'm mad or anything- but I would just love to have a full canopy grow for once. And the only reason I'm doing these tubs is for fun!
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A liner for sure helps with sidepins in a shoebox, after the first flush thereโs a pretty big gap all around it.
Definitely give it a shot, it only takes a second Iโm surprised youโve tried all the other stuff but not liners lol.
Even if you still get sidepins just the ability to grab the liner and take the whole sub out to harvest is so nice.
Not to mention clean tubs.
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If your running shoeboxes check out Shaper dreamings shoebox tek in my sig!
She has a cool method where you squeeze the coir for your sub a little harder to make it "just UNDER field capacity" then you case with a top layer of coir and mist the top layer heavily, it helps prevent side pins AMAZINGLY!
Also make sure you keep tiny beads of water across the surface of myc, good surface conditions will completely stop side pins from forming if you can keep surface conditions good
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Re: Side pins are becoming an annoyance. [Re: DnDRnD]
#26429544 - 01/12/20 11:29 AM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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Make sure that when you spawn and mix that you also tap the shoebox/whatever on a countertop or other hard surface to insure that there are no small pockets of air trapped along the bottom and sides, this causes uniform settling of sub, this will create uniform contact with the walls and bottom. Uniform and flush substrate contact to all plastic is what does it.
Then very lightly and evenly press the surface of the sub down where the sub touches the edge of your container while leveling your substrate, doing this prevents microclimates forming for side and bottom pins. Don't "taper" the edge, make sure it has uniform contact with the plastic.
If you're having issues with surface conditions try casing.
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Re: Side pins are becoming an annoyance. [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26429559 - 01/12/20 11:38 AM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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p9hu7 said: Make sure that when you spawn and mix that you also tap the shoebox/whatever on a countertop or other hard surface to insure that there are no small pockets of air trapped along the bottom and sides, this causes uniform settling of sub, this will create uniform contact with the walls and bottom. Uniform and flush substrate contact to all plastic is what does it.
Then very lightly and evenly press the surface of the sub down where the sub touches the edge of your container while leveling your substrate, doing this prevents microclimates forming for side and bottom pins. Don't "taper" the edge, make sure it has uniform contact with the plastic.
If you're having issues with surface conditions try casing.
I do like a 4 inch drop, once
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Re: Side pins are becoming an annoyance. [Re: YogiBear]
#26429570 - 01/12/20 11:44 AM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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I drop about 5 or 6 times from a few inches up, turning the tub to see how things are settling. Then I use a rectangular peice of plastic to evenly press the edges tight and flush against the plastic.
I mix by placing all of the sub and spawn in a sealed plastic container and then shake it like a salad for even mixing. If using shoeboxes I just do it in the shoebox. Don't want to do that in a mono, lol.
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Re: Side pins are becoming an annoyance. [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26429595 - 01/12/20 12:14 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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Once I mix the spawn in I alway just shake the shoebox side to side for a few seconds and it levels itself out most of the way.
Never heard of dropping it Iโll try that next time.
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Re: Side pins are becoming an annoyance. [Re: A.k.a]
#26429606 - 01/12/20 12:25 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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The first time I saw a good canopy and didn't have many side pins was with ShaperDreaming's shoebox tek where a liner isn't used. The lids are kept latched the whole way thru so there isn't a lot of FAE. My theory is that side pins occur when the air in the tub is too dry but the sides stay more humid hence the side pins. If you use and un-modified shoebox (no holes) you can add water to the tub until the sub floats to the top making harvest super easy.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26009662
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Re: Side pins are becoming an annoyance. [Re: A.k.a]
#26429614 - 01/12/20 12:32 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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I don't use liners, and don't get sidepins. I agree with rickyswamps, your surface coir looks dry. This will cause sidepins.
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Re: Side pins are becoming an annoyance. [Re: LadysKnight]
#26429982 - 01/12/20 04:15 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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I did do Shaper's Tek on this one (hope she's well - haven't heard from her in awhile). But, maybe it's because my house is so dry right now because of the colder months. Not sure. I was under the impression to keep lids snapped, and wait until harvest. I followed her Tek to a tee.
Sadly, I'm still getting side pins galore. But, it's all good. I'll figure out what works for me over time. Going to play around with liners after this flush. I appreciate all the replies! Thank you very much.
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StygianKnight
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Are you bottom pinning as well? A liner prevents the micro-climate but side pins before the sub pulls away can mean contamination, like bacteria causing a fruit all viable surfaces alarm.
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Re: Side pins are becoming an annoyance. [Re: StygianKnight]
#26430190 - 01/12/20 07:09 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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Doesn't look like I have any bottom pinning. I've always had this issue even with tubs before. I just think I'm not the best at keeping proper surface conditions.
Everything else looks fine - all that is off is the side pins.
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Use a liner 
I like em for cleaning up as well. Harvesting side pins is a royal pain in the arse. Iโll use a liner so I wonโt have to do that.
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Re: Side pins are becoming an annoyance. [Re: eatyualive] 1
#26430772 - 01/13/20 07:23 AM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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You right you right. I gotta stop believing people I think know what they're talking about because they look creditable.
Liners for the win.
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