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Cebil seeds, what do you know about them?
    #26425939 - 01/10/20 04:08 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Just what the titles says.  Any and all info regarding them, I’m interested in hearing whatever it is you know.  For clarity this includes A. Colubrina & A. Peregrina..



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Re: Cebil seeds, what do you know about them? [Re: Amanita86]
    #26425955 - 01/10/20 04:29 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

aboriginals here used them to make snuff. they contain small amounts of bufotenin and 5-MeO.
I tried extracting something to smoke once (following a tek I found at the nexus) but didn't feel much. not sure if I fucked up or the seeds weren't potent enough


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Re: Cebil seeds, what do you know about them? [Re: Amanita86]
    #26426002 - 01/10/20 05:15 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I (still) have a modest supply of seeds that I have used in an arduous, multi-step  process, which, after multiple attempts, finally yielded some bufotenine.  Active, but haven't taken the time to really explore it.

Compared to DMT it tastes like shit and has more body load.  Depending on how you extract (see multiple methods on the Nexus) YMMV.


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Re: Cebil seeds, what do you know about them? [Re: Nature Boy] * 1
    #26426885 - 01/10/20 04:41 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Instead of some chemical extraction method have you ever tried to recreate the traditional snuff preparation?


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Re: Cebil seeds, what do you know about them? [Re: Amanita86]
    #26427041 - 01/10/20 06:27 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Me, personally...no.  I know it is "without tradition" but my personal preference is to deal only with a purified end product of the molecule of interest as I possibly can.  My interest (rightly or wrongly) is in knowing the full range of effects of a specific molecule - if and when possible.

An added benefit to an extracted, purified product is consistent dosing and not having to worry about variations in the seeds from climate, sun, rain, shade, genetics, and the myriad of other variables such as soil micro-nutrients that cause or contribute to wide variations in bufotenine content.

Add to that, insufflation looks fucking painful in all the videos I've seen.  Not my cup of tea.


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Re: Cebil seeds, what do you know about them? [Re: Nature Boy] * 1
    #26427677 - 01/11/20 08:02 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The snuff is rough.

You should extract the Cebil with alcohol and evaporate.  Here is the easiest tek:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=7821

The extract is great, I infuse freebase rue or cappi leaf with it for bufochanga smoke- amazing.

Best way to consume is probably baking (to remove fats) then freebasing and smoking slowly, preferably after MAOI.

I use calcium carbonate to freebase, which you can buy at health store (as antacid).  One also can use clean eggshell or WHITE ash.


The extract is awesome; enhance some freebased rue seeds or caapi leaf with freebase bufotenine and WOW...



And here are a few of my early experiments, including bufochanga and orally dosing a freebased bean or two with alcohol: https://drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157238

Newageshaman shared his experience with a similar extract:
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As i closed my eye's my vision was filled with red, it stayed like this for awhile until a beautiful dancer started appearing as a orange outline in the red. The dancing was unlike anything i've seen, so fluid and nearly watery?
The visual aspect of the trip lasted about 30 minutes with about 10 to 15 minutes of nausea.

This was quite an exceptional trip, a bit of bodyload but not enough to turn me away from this amazing and legal (atleast at the moment) psychedelic.





https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20005609/fpart/all/vc/1


Tips:

NAUSEA:
Six or seven drops of lemon essential oil completely prevents Bufo nausea, but eating a few grams Ginger might work too.

VASODILATORS:
Can be a good idea.  Kola nut is a great vasodilator- it raises euphoric energy. Bufo can be very sedating on its own, yet alcohol also pairs well as vasodilator.  Harmalas, which work both as vasodilators and potentiators, are highly recommended.

DOSING:
I got in the habit of buccally applying plain crushed rue 20 minutes before smoking; I thought I heard the natives will chew Caapi while smoking Cebil/Mapacho cigars... buccally dosed harmalas are extremely effective.  Breaking the dose into several hits works best.  I worked with a light bulb vape using the crushed & freebased beans.  Eventually I switched to making an alcohol extract evaporated onto broken freebased rue seeds for a crude Bufochanga.  Smoking a minute amount of Datura with it was always good too.

ENVIRONMENT:
Wearing loose, cool clothing and laying in bed with a quiet fan running a breeze in the backround and maybe some soft Icaros playing would be great but a dark room or eye fold is what's most highly recommended.


My earliest experiences:


Smoking - Crude Rue Cebil Bufotenine Changa Success

25 Syrian rue seeds were placed into mortar with 2* broken and de-shelled Cebil seeds. A third of their weight in ash is eyeballed and added.
*The two seeds together weighed 300mg, or about a third of a gram.
{See picture: "2 Roast Cebil"}​

Flicked the Bic; keeping the flame-tip about an inch and a half beneath the broken Cebil seeds held by a paperclip (no oven or frying pan access at that time)... Imagining 450degreesF; and watching smoke shooting out of and off the seeds. Flipped them and roasted the other side likewise. This took about 2 minutes; and gets rid of some of the nasty toxins and fats, making for better smoke and grindability.
Dug out a snail shell that had materialized at the base of my San Pedro cactus the week prior.
{See picture "A Snail"}​

Broke off a third of the snail shell (composed of calcium carbonate)and burned both sides over the flame of the lighter using the paperclip. The shell bubbled a bit as the coating was burned away, and turned a silver/white ashy color.
All these ingredients were thouroughly ground together, before a bit of spit was added;
{See picture: "Doughifying Spit"}​

The spit was covered with powder, and thouroughly kneaded and mixed into the powders with the mortar to form a black clay.
{See picture: "One Dough"}​

This was scraped off the mortar and allowed to dry completely; then ground down to an ashy powder for bioassay.

BIOASSAY DIARY:
T-1hr Ground well 25 Rue seeds w/ 2 Husked and Toasted Cebil ground with a third it's volume of ash from unmentionalbe and some burnt snail shell. Spit into powder, mixed well into dough. Let sit.

T-45 Placed 10 Rue seeds whole into mouth, chewing occasionally over a minute, then swallow.

T-30 20 more Rue seeds sublingual/ chewed + swallowed.

T-20 20 more Rue seeds sublingual/ Chewed + swallowed.

T-0 The smell of the Vilca has largely diminished after multiple regrindings and air-dryings. 10 more Rue seeds are crushed in the teeth before being placed under the toungue. To these, a rough third of the basified Vilca mixture is placed sublingually.
The remainder of the powder is added to a glass pipe prepared with a screen composed of a Cebil shell and some broken Rue seeds...

T+8 Noticed sublingual tingle.

T+10 Takes a small hit from the pipe while holding sublingually. Held for 15 seconds while taking mental note to hold the toungue down to prevent saliva formation and not to swallow any juices.

T+12 Definite altered space maybe. Smoke is hot. Suddenly sweating. The bowl threatens to ignite and burn all at once.

T+15 Having decided that the bowl is an improper tool for Vilca, half the powder is vaporized with a lightbulb vaporizer and a Bic... welcoming a "nice headspace" now.

T+18 The remainder of the Vilca is transfered to the lightbulb. This is vaped vaped slowly untill the bulb was swirling with a light grey smoke that was let cool for a moment before inhilation. The lighter applied again slowly while holding the vapors for 15-20 seconds. The lighter is set down as the bulb fills again, an ember has started inside.

T+20 The second hit is cleared slowly; but this builds up the ember inside the bulb. Before the first part of the second hit is held 10 seconds, the bulb is already filling with the smoke of the Vilca embers. This is accepted into the lungs after the complete exhalation of the second hit, and held with air for 10 seconds.
T+24 Pressure in head and eyes, some nausea.

T+34 Covering eyes with a rolled blanket, tuning in to a favorable, relaxed body roll comparable to a mid-level Xanax dose, with "mistings of light nausea". State seemed comparable to an euphoric Amanita trip, but with a different sort of nausea than Ibotenic acid causes.

T+35 Nausea breaks as the blackness is spit from under the toungue into a glass by the bed. With eyes open, the threading on the blanket that covers from the nose up seems to be breathing in and out. Could be imagination... Eyes closed and some faint CEV's appear, but could be wishfull, forget them, go in; trancelike; more swirly CEV's ignored as products of imagination when...

T+40 See a vision of a young native scooping and mixing some Vilca from a large wooden bowl.

T+45 Nausea comes and goes. The bed is taken full advantage of.

T+1 Hour Nausea receeds; Some pressure remains in the head.

T+2 Hours Feel great.

T+2Hr 30m Dinner.

T+3Hr+ Feeling blessed by the Hekula spirit to continue slow and careful work with Vilca.

Feeling amazing and very grateful.



E X P E R I E N C E  2

2.22 16 raw, non-basified Syrian rue seeds placed sublingual.
2.35 Saliva swallowed, seeds chewed and placed under toungue.
2.37 Packed Vilca into lightbulb. Am feeling slightly “altered” from rue.
2.40 Hit the bowl of 25 basified Syrian rue ( 5 seeds worth was put into the Vilca mix). Killed it in two hits, holding each one in 15 seconds.
2.45 Lightbulb vaporizor used with Vilca. A suprising amount of smoke is liberated over several long hits, holding each for 15 seconds before releasing. Like last time, I begin sweating...
2.47 -2.54 Lungs aching, eyes closed, laying back with a cloth eye-cover, light visions begin forming but are interrupted by a great thirst.
2.55 Swallow water and s.r seeds that were being held sublingual. Feeling very nicely drugged. A “floaty” feeling body, with limbs moving easily like they are full of Helium. Head glides around smoothly on the neck; it actually feels quite good to look around, it accentuates the head high…
3.00 The body high becomes more prominent laying down. I feel sooo relaxed and melt into the bed. My mind drifts to dark places, but I bring my attention to the love and blessings that enrich my life, and am grateful. In my minds’ eye a picture book of my entire life appears before me, and begins flipping thru pages at tremendous speed, showing where I’ve come from, where I am, where I am going and how I’m getting there.
As the images flip by, they have tones. Put all together, the life is more like a song. My song sounded greatJ. Today was a high note. I keep playing this song of life to death, and then the notes reverberate on. The song of death is life. As soon as one is born, one is dying; so play your song with care, and have fun.
3.15 Sit up to takek notes: Anti-depressant effects, sedative effect, and slight stomach nausea noted.
3.20 Zoning out with eyes open give a rising head high. Hypnotic staring at nothing in particular, so relaxed I’m near drooling, my mouth is open.
3.20-3.25 Covered eyes with cloth, laying down. Had first audio hallucinations. First I had a vision with eyes closed of a Mother and child as dinner was being served, then heard the mother say “Mmmm, Doesn’t that look good?” and then the vision went away. Next I hear MY mothers’ voice saying the same thing. It sounded just like her.
This was followed by a strange song of sounds in quick succession, mostly sounds of the dinnertable, glasses and utensils clinking, etc, and then some electronic sounds almost like Dubstep style music, and finally three notes on piano that resounded in my ears, bringing me out of trance.
3.35 The head-high has become more prominent.
3.40 Closing eyes and laying down; the body high becomes more prominent. It feels like a relaxant that rewards stillness with lovely rolling tingles.
4.00 Thirst has been plaguing me.
4.10 The peak is over, anti-depressant effects are kicking in more now. Not outright euphoria, just a pleasant glow. I feel very lucid now…even if still a bit sedated.
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Re: Cebil seeds, what do you know about them? [Re: flickedbic]
    #26427775 - 01/11/20 09:35 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Cool!  :thumbup:


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Re: Cebil seeds, what do you know about them? [Re: Nature Boy]
    #26427900 - 01/11/20 11:05 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I smoked plain ground up cebil seeds a few times through a bong. Usually mixed with some rue seeds. Got some minor, but secent effects.
You have to smoke a lot, so take several hits over a few minutes. It takes longer to come up than dmt, though, like 5 to 10 minutes. But it also lasts longer, like up to 45min.

I got some shroom-like effects from smoking plain seeds. Like a gram of cubes or so. Slight visuals, brighter colors, everything looked odd and cartoony. People seemed like actors of a theater. Definitely trippy.
Some nausea was present. More bodyload than shrooms or dmt for sure.

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Re: Cebil seeds, what do you know about them? [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26427934 - 01/11/20 11:33 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Has anyone ever thought of just eating the seeds?


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Re: Cebil seeds, what do you know about them? [Re: Amanita86] * 1
    #26427953 - 01/11/20 11:46 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Ewwww...:evilpuke:

No.


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Re: Cebil seeds, what do you know about them? [Re: Nature Boy]
    #26428040 - 01/11/20 12:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

What do you mean ew?  People eat syrian rue and all sort of funky stuff.  Why would grounding this to a powder, encapsulating, and down the hatching this be any different?  Are the alks bioavailable through the stomach?


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Re: Cebil seeds, what do you know about them? [Re: Amanita86]
    #26428060 - 01/11/20 12:56 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hard shell, incredibly bitter...and absolutely pointless.  The exceeding low amount of bufotenine and/or other alks combined with an exceedingly low oral activity would necessitate eating a shoebox full to see any effect.

So, yes...ew.

Vaporization (IMHO) after extraction is the best and most reasonable method to plumb the depths and extent of bufotenine, with snuff preparation and insufflation a close second.


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Re: Cebil seeds, what do you know about them? [Re: Nature Boy]
    #26428075 - 01/11/20 01:05 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Oh, I figured if people are snorting it that eating would probably handle it.  I need to sniff out :datass: how people were preparing it back in the old days, I’d be interested in knowing what exactly they were doing with it.


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Re: Cebil seeds, what do you know about them? [Re: Amanita86]
    #26428089 - 01/11/20 01:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You can eat them, but only 1 or 2 beans or you'll be vomiting.  The beans go very well before a little booze.


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Re: Cebil seeds, what do you know about them? [Re: flickedbic] * 3
    #26428574 - 01/11/20 05:38 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I've had quite a lot of experience with these and have never really talked about it. I had a bag of Yopo around 2007, quite a lot.

I prepared them by placing the seeds (just a few, no more than ten) into a dry frying pan. Slowly i brought up the heat until they started to pop and the outside shell separated or bubbled up from the nut like center. Once the majority of the seeds had 'popped' i peeled the brown outer shell and discarded it, keeping the nutty beige interior.

I then crushed the seeds as fine as possible and mixed with a small amount of hydrated lime which i purchased from a local Asian food store.
Not too much & not too little I just used my intuition. I am naturally light on the touch so, go gently here. I mixed this paste as thoroughly as possible in a china bowl using a flat knife and placed the mixture in the fridge for an afternoon.

At this stage you can smell the hydrated lime basifying the compounds. You know it is reacting because of the smell. Why we basify I am not sure. I could never understand that, my thinking is that salts were more readily absorbed but whatever. The literature says to use crushed seashells, I was trying to emulate that.

This paste was left to cool in the fridge, periodically (once or twice that day) i mixed it further. Again the next day I mixed it even more and left it out to dry.

Then I would chop it up and crush it further still until it was dry enough to boof snort.

I divided it into roughly equal parts equal to the amount of seeds used and then split again into halves so that each line was equivalent to half a seed.

Snorting this was not pleasant, I shall say that much. It is pretty basic what with the lime and that is going to be hitting your mucus membranes. It felt like a combination of being kicked in the face by a mule, as someone extruded barbed wire out your nostril. As this is happening an incredible pressure overcomes my brain and the carrier wave begins.

Holy Mary & mother of god... what followed can be described as a high dose vaped DMT experience combined with an intense body load coupled with nausea. The intensity of the experience was a complete shock the first time. I had no idea it would be so powerful but qualitatively it was the same as vaped DMT... it was DMT.
The visual imagery was ancient south American, luminescent purple wire frame and milk white. I was shown the cube of continually transforming... form.  I had entity contact with faceless humanoids with long limbs and a sense of great power and intelligence. The room I was in kept its original dimensions and size but the visual textures were completely replaced. Eyes open or closed it did not matter. The visions were fast, almost too fast. It was scary, powerful and strangely familiar. The Body load and nausea faded into the background as the experience unfolded and was not at the forefront of my consciousness during the majority of the trip. However at the beginning it was very distracting. Coupled with the intensity of the experience it was quite unnerving but you know, smooth seas a good psychonaught grammar doesn't make.
To this day I still don't understand why the visual themes were so Inca/Maya/Aztec. Perhaps those peoples modeled their art on these images. Perhaps I was culturally influenced by all the reading I was doing about DMT at the time. It was consistent with earlier changa exploration. Classic DMT.

The experience lasted longer than the average vaporized DMT experience as far as I could tell. But not significantly.

I discarded the Yopo seeds during a transitional phase in my life a few years after that and sadly regret doing so.

I will always have a deep respect for Yopo. Those were some of the most significant journeys of my life. Not so much because of any insights, but more because of the (I hesitate to use the term spiritual) phenomenological nature of the experience.

Those of us that begrudgingly (atheists and skeptics) hope the visions of DMT and voice of psilocybin have some deeper meaning and truth to them will find the experience only furthers the mystery that is the tryptamine family and their long history of human use.

I haven't really read much about them since those days. It was more than ten years ago and was a very private matter. So I don't know how this compares to other peoples experience.

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Re: Cebil seeds, what do you know about them? [Re: Kimble]
    #26428732 - 01/11/20 07:56 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Would you say the ratio of hydrated lime to seed powder would be similar to say, salting a steak or french fries etc?


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Re: Cebil seeds, what do you know about them? [Re: Amanita86]
    #26428783 - 01/11/20 08:37 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

More like mixing epoxy resin(seeds) and catalyst(lime). 4:1 seed to lime, but tbh it was a long time ago. You probably don't need too much.


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Re: Cebil seeds, what do you know about them? [Re: Kimble] * 1
    #26429162 - 01/12/20 05:47 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Specific recommendations on the ratio can be found at the nexus.  :thumbup:

IIRC (please check, I haven't had my coffee yet), the recommended base is calcium carbonate, i.e. "chalk".  You can get highly powdered CaCO3 at a health food store or online.  For some reason, calcium salts are more potent.


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