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Do you clone from the stem or three cap?
#26427910 - 01/11/20 11:16 AM (4 years, 18 days ago) |
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Hey all, I am wondering what people's preferences are for cloning on whether you close from the cap or stem, and why?
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Re: Do you clone from the stem or three cap? [Re: LiquidGlass]
#26427917 - 01/11/20 11:20 AM (4 years, 18 days ago) |
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Three cap.
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Re: Do you clone from the stem or three cap? [Re: JohnRainy]
#26427933 - 01/11/20 11:31 AM (4 years, 18 days ago) |
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Lol thanks
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Re: Do you clone from the stem or three cap? [Re: LiquidGlass]
#26427978 - 01/11/20 12:05 PM (4 years, 18 days ago) |
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Typically I tear the mushroom from the bottom of the stem up and take a transfer from inner tissue close to where the cap and stem meet. I don’t like taking directly from cap to prevent germination of spores I don’t want.
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Re: Do you clone from the stem or three cap? [Re: Strainsfordaze]
#26427983 - 01/11/20 12:09 PM (4 years, 18 days ago) |
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I’m pretty new to agar but I’ve taken a bunch of clones. Always torn open from the bottom of the stem and cut tissue from the middle area.
Only reason being that’s how I read to do it.
Good point about rogue spores when cloning a cap, that would defeat the purpose.
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Re: Do you clone from the stem or three cap? [Re: A.k.a]
#26428068 - 01/11/20 01:01 PM (4 years, 18 days ago) |
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I love the cap. I take clones before the cap opens, I hope its not yet sporulating then.
Tear in half, up from the bottom and there is such a nice, thick spot to take a sample in the centre of the cap. I just find the stem is harder to work with.
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Re: Do you clone from the stem or three cap? [Re: JohnRainy]
#26428183 - 01/11/20 01:59 PM (4 years, 18 days ago) |
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The cap and the stem are both the same mycelium. Taking a sample from the cap or stem should be genetically the same or no?
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Re: Do you clone from the stem or three cap? [Re: Mr. Alien]
#26428295 - 01/11/20 02:52 PM (4 years, 18 days ago) |
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It's genetically the same but the composition of the cells isn't necessarily the same. It doesn't really make a big difference though. In mature mushrooms I usually snap the cap in half and cut a piece from the center near where the cap meets the stem. I prefer to just clone tiny pins and put the whole pin on the agar.
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Re: Do you clone from the stem or three cap? [Re: Kizzle]
#26428461 - 01/11/20 04:23 PM (4 years, 18 days ago) |
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Maybe I am wrong but I think dropping a pin onto agar can be ideal when going for most healthy aggressive mycelium; but really works best if you are working with a known culture with a stable, examined morphology and tested for potency. If you are going for a mature fruit in a new grow with huge disparities in genetics, the argument of spore contamination could be made if choosing to clone by taking a sample from the actual cap full of spores.
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Re: Do you clone from the stem or three cap? [Re: Mr. Alien]
#26428637 - 01/11/20 06:25 PM (4 years, 18 days ago) |
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Mr. Alien said: The cap and the stem are both the same mycelium. Taking a sample from the cap or stem should be genetically the same or no?
Its the same as far as I know, I just find the actual mechanics of taking a sample work out better on a cap than a stem. Deeper flesh. Firmer denser and easier to work with
If you do go for the stem, you gotta watch out for that ropey, centre mycelium running up and down in there. It won't grow.
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Re: Do you clone from the stem or three cap? [Re: Kizzle]
#26428658 - 01/11/20 06:43 PM (4 years, 18 days ago) |
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Kizzle said: I prefer to just clone tiny pins and put the whole pin on the agar.
Cant wait to try this. Do you literally pluck the pin from the tub and drop it on agar? Or do you cut it in half and drop the cut side down onto the agar?
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Re: Do you clone from the stem or three cap? [Re: JohnRainy]
#26428672 - 01/11/20 07:01 PM (4 years, 18 days ago) |
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Just plop it on the dish, it will grow.
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If you do go for the stem, you gotta watch out for that ropey, centre mycelium running up and down in there. It won't grow.
Wrong. Any mycelium from the fruit body will continue to grow.
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Re: Do you clone from the stem or three cap? [Re: primelines]
#26428828 - 01/11/20 09:25 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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Kizzle said: I prefer to just clone tiny pins and put the whole pin on the agar.
Cant wait to try this. Do you literally pluck the pin from the tub and drop it on agar? Or do you cut it in half and drop the cut side down onto the agar?
That works. Most often I'll put some spores on agar and if there are no visible contaminants let it grow out and start pinning and use of those pins. It's such an easy way to get an isolate you know will fruit with little potential for hidden pathogens.
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Re: Do you clone from the stem or three cap? [Re: Kizzle]
#26428852 - 01/11/20 09:44 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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I was under the impression isolate and monoculture were the same thing, are they not?
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Re: Do you clone from the stem or three cap? [Re: A.k.a]
#26428891 - 01/11/20 10:26 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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No. A monoculture take awhile to obtain, according to these boards. Even cloned mushrooms are more than one strain, if you can believe it.
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Re: Do you clone from the stem or three cap? [Re: JohnRainy]
#26428925 - 01/11/20 10:57 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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I just make sure to be as verbally abusive as possible to whatever sample I’m taking from whichever section of the fruiting body; you know, like most boss’ treat their employees these days. Good for morale.
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I think that’s only good for morel.
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Re: Do you clone from the stem or three cap? [Re: Kizzle]
#26428953 - 01/11/20 11:23 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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Sounds like a good time for me to try this since my agar petri are showing zero signs of life. I’m certain it isn’t the agar... or is it? Only one way to find out...
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Re: Do you clone from the stem or three cap? [Re: Kizzle]
#26428979 - 01/12/20 12:01 AM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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Kizzle said:
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Kizzle said: I prefer to just clone tiny pins and put the whole pin on the agar.
Cant wait to try this. Do you literally pluck the pin from the tub and drop it on agar? Or do you cut it in half and drop the cut side down onto the agar?
That works. Most often I'll put some spores on agar and if there are no visible contaminants let it grow out and start pinning and use of those pins. It's such an easy way to get an isolate you know will fruit with little potential for hidden pathogens.
I've never cloned before and was wondering if there would be any advantage of "washing/rinsing" the specimens first in say in alcohol/iso first to help get rid of contaminated hitch hikers or is it just done on transfers to work away from the baddies? Was obviously trying to make less transfers if possible.
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Re: Do you clone from the stem or three cap? [Re: YogiBear]
#26428995 - 01/12/20 12:28 AM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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You can wipe it down gently with an alcohol soaked tissue if you want.
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Re: Do you clone from the stem or three cap? [Re: JohnRainy]
#26429012 - 01/12/20 12:58 AM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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JohnRainy said: You can wipe it down gently with an alcohol soaked tissue if you want.
Thanks JR, I knew that hydrogen peroxide was a no-no... thanks for the confirmation 👍
I don't mean to keep hijacking the OP's thread but I do have another ?
Is there anyway to store a nice fruit for short or long term in the fridge? Like in sterile water or some other liquid (honey?). I ask because I had a funky little upside down fruit the other day and wanted to try and clone it but was out of agar to make plates.
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Re: Do you clone from the stem or three cap? [Re: YogiBear]
#26429188 - 01/12/20 06:28 AM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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Just throw it in a paper bag in the fridge. It will keep for a couple weeks.
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Re: Do you clone from the stem or three cap? [Re: PopaCap]
#26429193 - 01/12/20 06:35 AM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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Pretty much the same as kizzle, I break em in half and take a sample were the stipe meets the cap and take pins from plates.
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Re: Do you clone from the stem or three cap? [Re: PopaCap]
#26429216 - 01/12/20 06:52 AM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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PopaCap said: Just throw it in a paper bag in the fridge. It will keep for a couple weeks.
Thanks 😎👍
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Re: Do you clone from the stem or three cap? [Re: JohnRainy]
#26429492 - 01/12/20 10:57 AM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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JohnRainy said: No. A monoculture take awhile to obtain, according to these boards. Even cloned mushrooms are more than one strain, if you can believe it.
I know all mushrooms/clones have a crazy amount of genetics which is pretty odd. So if a monoculture is narrowed down to a single strain, what’s an isolate? The phase prior to monoculture?
All this genetic stuff is confusing at first.
For some reason I never thought about cloning from the cap, definitely gonna try it from the center where the stem and cap meet. Or maybe from the gills of a sterile fruit just to see if there’s any difference. Doesn’t seem like there would be.
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