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Some kind of Mexicana?
#26427842 - 01/11/20 10:27 AM (4 years, 18 days ago) |
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I found these yesterday in an East Tx horse pasture growing on manure. The weather here has been warmer than usual. The cubes were out there too.
Gills: Brown when dried, cream colored when fresh, not attached to stem
Stem: 5cm to 7cm in length, hollow, white,fibrous, not too fragile, stringy, .25cm diameter or smaller
Cap: 2cm to 3cm , brown, smooth, conical with umbro, fanning at edges
Spore print color: dark brown?
Bruising: possible slight br using where I cut the stems
Other information: slight odor but not like the store bought mushrooms
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Re: Some kind of Mexicana? [Re: Mrs N]
#26427858 - 01/11/20 10:35 AM (4 years, 18 days ago) |
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probably foenisecii because of the print...
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Re: Some kind of Mexicana? [Re: santa mose]
#26428027 - 01/11/20 12:31 PM (4 years, 18 days ago) |
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santa mose said: probably foenisecii because of the print...
Panaeolus foenisecii doesn't grow from dung, ever. It only fruits terrestrially from grass roots.
Im not sure what these are though, better pictures would help
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Re: Some kind of Mexicana? [Re: Moria841]
#26428038 - 01/11/20 12:37 PM (4 years, 18 days ago) |
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I will try to take better pictures next time. thanks.
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Re: Some kind of Mexicana? [Re: Mrs N]
#26428058 - 01/11/20 12:54 PM (4 years, 18 days ago) |
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I thought pan foes spore print was black or dark brown? Im partially color blind and have trouble disguising at times.
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Re: Some kind of Mexicana? [Re: Moria841]
#26428062 - 01/11/20 12:56 PM (4 years, 18 days ago) |
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Moria841 said:
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santa mose said: probably foenisecii because of the print...
Panaeolus foenisecii doesn't grow from dung, ever. It only fruits terrestrially from grass roots.
That's what I thought too. Last year, I found a nice bunch of what I was sure were cinctulus growing from an aged pile of horse dung. Took a couple home to make a collection, take some prints and maybe spread them around. I must admit I was shocked when the prints came out brown, I was not expecting that. OP's mushrooms are not Panaeolus, nor any other psychoactive species, but without better pictures I can't say what they are.
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Re: Some kind of Mexicana? [Re: Tangich]
#26428112 - 01/11/20 01:25 PM (4 years, 18 days ago) |
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This is exactly why I hate the old adage, "print it, if its brown its p foe if its black its p cinct"
It's incredibly confusing for new people trying to learn about psychoactive mushrooms.
According to Alan, Panaeolus cinctulus is never a grass-dwelling species, while Panaeolus foenisecii is always a grass-dwelling species
So you will likely never find these two species growing in the same habitat anyways
https://www.mushroomexpert.com/panaeolus_foenisecii.html
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Re: Some kind of Mexicana? [Re: Mrs N]
#26428209 - 01/11/20 02:18 PM (4 years, 18 days ago) |
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I'm seeing two species here. At least in the fourth picture, there are the top left ones, pale, with purplish prints and then the bottom dark ones with a dull brown almost rusty print. I'm getting mixed signals here. There is a lot of saw dust together with this manure. Might be woodlovers. I'm unsure here, it would help very much to get a defined set of pictures, species 1 and 2 in situ, with better pictures of intact specimens including gill cap and stem shots.
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Re: Some kind of Mexicana? [Re: Moria841]
#26428212 - 01/11/20 02:19 PM (4 years, 18 days ago) |
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I'm wondering about all those different strains, I can't stand all the different variations depending on location. I just like to go back to the root which would be panaeolus but a bunch of mushrooms kicked out of families and moved around. Ya know, the random places they are found could just be an idea... I have what I got memorized and a world out there ready for the hunt...
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Re: Some kind of Mexicana? [Re: Anglerfish]
#26428225 - 01/11/20 02:26 PM (4 years, 18 days ago) |
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Anglerfish said: I'm seeing two species here. At least in the fourth picture, there are the top left ones, pale, with purplish prints
Those are cubes, he mentioned them so I assumed he knew what they were.
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Re: Some kind of Mexicana? [Re: Tangich]
#26428246 - 01/11/20 02:33 PM (4 years, 18 days ago) |
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Moria841 said: According to Alan, Panaeolus cinctulus is never a grass-dwelling species, while Panaeolus foenisecii is always a grass-dwelling species
The "foe-cinct equation" is due to oversimplification and a desire to score. Now I know I'm oversimplifying the case here but "desirable" will in this sense mean the mycological as well as the hallucinogenic or edibility aspect. It's too easy to get trapped in confirmation bias when you have a special goal for the hunt.
Especially when you're convinced you found something really outstanding and rare, heart beating, just to end up with Laccaria laccata.
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Anglerfish said: I'm seeing two species here. At least in the fourth picture, there are the top left ones, pale, with purplish prints
Those are cubes, he mentioned them so I assumed he knew what they were.
Okay, that wasn't obvious to me. I'm curious about the side shot of the dark-capped, pale-stemmed ones.
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