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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: mushboy]
#26423055 - 01/08/20 02:18 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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So, where should I draw the line?
I did 1-2g of ape almost everyday for a month and after that I've routinely shroomed 2 or 3 times a week for the last two years.
Test your limits know yourself. I found that nobody knows more about my experiences than I do. Tolerance is a weird thing. I think it's all in your head. Just as long as I feed the fire I can trip daily.
Fueling the fire is more about set and setting style stuff.
Okay, my mind is totally at ease now about the health concerns. Talk about the best years of one’s life lol
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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: Korean Jesus]
#26423089 - 01/08/20 02:38 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Do you think doses that high could have an adverse effect on heart health?
No. But you want to be really fit if you go there as it improves the overall effect no end.
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Also, on an unrelated note, have you ever thought about what would happen if you took 150g or 250g without tolerance?
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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: footpath]
#26425800 - 01/10/20 01:57 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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footpath said: What changes that biology is so very extensive and intricate, you can't just say your system 'simply' does anything. Considering much of that efficiency has to do with neurological function as well as digestive/absorptive functions, you also can't possibly say the 'vast majority' of it does anything.
Weren't you just recently talking shit on everyone here for not honoring individuality?
Some things are universal. Tolerance is one of them.
I’m not saying that some people don’t experience tolerance differently, but it’s a biological fact that you will eventually develop physical tolerance to LSD and shrooms with repeated use.
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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: Korean Jesus]
#26426610 - 01/10/20 01:53 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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We need John_1098 to represent in this thread...
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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: feldman114]
#26426686 - 01/10/20 02:43 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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footpath said: It's common to hear, and I can attest, that the higher doses are actually an easier ride. Having a grip on reality can give you whiplash. When you have no choice but to fully check out, it seems like there's nothing there to trouble you. Landing back down can be a little turbulent from time to time... but nothing like being halfway between worlds.
I heard of this but...well...I guess I’m a bit of a bitch lol. Like I’ve made a 10g tea multiple times, then pussied out of chugging the whole thing.
Maybe after hearing about all yous people’s 30g trips, I’ll go for it next time🤞🤞🤞
What was said certainly applies to the difference between not quite tripping and fully in the soup, much easier to dive all the way in. But I don't think it applies between ego dissolving doses and ego shattering doses. After all, when the show is over you have to pick up the pieces of your mind.
There's plenty of people who have had to deal with harsh psychological issues from very heavy trips. I've helped a lot of folks here as a sounding board and advisor dealing with the integration. It's not all sunshine and roses taking heroic doses. Trust yourself and what you want out of the experience. Don't try to emulate other people. Psychedelics are a mind tool and the most skilled users don't need to take massive doses to achieve the desired outcome.
If you reach a point where you want more, do it. But don't rashly eat 4 times what you normally would, unless you are prepared to suffer. Because there is a price to pay psychologically and it's easier for some but not others.
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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: Northerner] 1
#26426765 - 01/10/20 03:33 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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There's plenty of people who have had to deal with harsh psychological issues from very heavy trips. I've helped a lot of folks here as a sounding board and advisor dealing with the integration. It's not all sunshine and roses taking heroic doses. Trust yourself and what you want out of the experience. Don't try to emulate other people. Psychedelics are a mind tool and the most skilled users don't need to take massive doses to achieve the desired outcome.
32 years ago, that was me, northerner. But my excuse was ignorance. If the internet and the shroomery had been around in 1987, I wouldn’t have suffered decades of existential trauma.
I’m so glad I came back to psilocybin though, in July 2016. And at a fraction of the doses we used to take, mushrooms are so very scary!!! I have learnt so much respect. I’m no sissy, but I get so worried before every single trip. But that feeling you get when the come up is over and you’re “there”, well, wow, what can I say that wouldn’t belittle it?
I go so far on 3.8g dried Psilocybe Cubensis B+
For what it’s worth, fella, just been chatting to the wife. My next move is to start getting out there! I’m going to start attending conventions and that kind of stuff, nd mingling with like-minded souls. And possibly when I get known, find an underground therapist who will offer “psilocybin assisted psychotherapy” 👍🏻
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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26426777 - 01/10/20 03:40 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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So we have established tolerance is one thing. Integration is another. Sometimes trips don't give me anything of use, insight wise but they can still be fun (yes i dare to suggest that psychedelics can be fun). Now in that case it is up to the individual to determine if it is worth taking another dose shortly (days or weeks) after to try and get some magic. I'm in my thirties and quite happy to have three or four trips a year. When I was younger and had loads of good lsd, I was taking it a few times a month and it was great, but that changes over time. In my opinion, once you get the message, hang up the phone. But hey, listen to your own prevailing voice of reason.
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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: Kimble]
#26426796 - 01/10/20 03:49 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ultimately, both tolerance and reaction are entirely individual. Hence everyone giving their own accounts. Some people aren't even effected by certain substances.
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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: footpath]
#26426810 - 01/10/20 03:56 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I didn’t read all the posts but it’s all subjective. I’ve eaten hundreds of hits of cid with minimal chronic effects. Mostly acute or less than a few years. My brother on the other hand has had less than 10 hits and after his last trip became schizophrenic.
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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: D3_Myc]
#26426850 - 01/10/20 04:21 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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D3monic said: I didn’t read all the posts but it’s all subjective. I’ve eaten hundreds of hits of cid with minimal chronic effects. Mostly acute or less than a few years. My brother on the other hand has had less than 10 hits and after his last trip became schizophrenic.
that's the only thing that really scares me, ya never know if you have a breaking point or not. I have taken a break from acid after my last trip I went bat shit insane and drank unhuman ammounts of liquor
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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: 330ci]
#26426938 - 01/10/20 05:14 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I was 15 when I first started cid (95ish) I took a few hundred hits over the course of a few months and then continued until about 98. I had a very hard time reading words on a page and the typical too much acid effects. Brother was 18, mentally broke when he was tripping and found out his 16yo wife (I know right?) was cheeting on him. Lost his fucking marbles that night and never came back. Way the fuck off his rocker. Still is as far as I know. Haven’t talked to him in 7-8 years. He’s 41 now. He may of been predispositioned to mental illness as our mother wasn’t really that stable. The lsd and trauma probably just acted as the catalyst to trigger his illness.
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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: D3_Myc]
#26426952 - 01/10/20 05:24 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I did DMT a few times when I was 18/19 and no other psychs until acid almost 2 years ago. been pretty wild with acid although I think it's time to taper down as longterm effects are a worry and some of my friends have said I need to slow it down a bit. I eat alot of shrooms though now. might need to take a break from all psychs but I enjoy being in a different world. my moms brother was schizo though and my mom is bi polar, I was diagnosed with some bi polar and manic depression last year, I have a pretty strong mind from not losing my shit just yet, but the chronic useage and high doses definitely were starting to push me there.
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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: 330ci]
#26426968 - 01/10/20 05:38 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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You do know if you're close to breaking point, you may just choose to ignore it. Decisions, decisions...
A few years ago I went through a (another) heavy psychedelic romance. I was smoking DMT two or three times a week and tripping on acid with pretty heavy doses pretty much every weekend. I finally pushed it too far and ended up having a difficult experience. Took at least a year to come right from. I could notice my sense of "reality" improving dramatically season to season.
Best not to go there if you see the writing on the wall. Much easier to slow down, than fall off the bike completely and then try and get back on it. Hurts less too.
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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: Northerner]
#26426983 - 01/10/20 05:49 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I feel ya, I haven't been pushing any boundaries but I don't need to add any unnecessary mental stressors. I definitely don't want to fall off the bike. the last trip I had on acid scared the fuck out of me though and it was only a tab, but I drank like 3 fifths and was spouting out gibberish in messages to people, I don't know how I was still functioning and I wasn't mispelling words at all while drunk tripping. someone put it very eloquently somewhere on here " when you get the message, hang up the phone.". I don't want to have to join reality, but I think it's necessary to maintain my sanity and drive to move forward to my present goals and passions. sometimes I get a bit too carried a way in the delusions and get steered off path.
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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26427289 - 01/10/20 09:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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DJ Ed said: But that feeling you get when the come up is over and you’re “there”, well, wow, what can I say that wouldn’t belittle it?
Yeah, that is exactly it in a nutshell.
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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26427487 - 01/11/20 02:14 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hmm some interesting responses regarding mushrooms / lsd and schizophrenia.
My understanding has always been that psychedelics cannot CAUSE schizophrenia, rather they can TRIGGER schizophrenia.
My best mate and I were one of a few who overdid it in 1987 / 1988. I checked myself into the local psychiatric ward, then was visited at home by a “drug counsellor” for a few months (when I realised he had never actually taken psychedelics himself, and was reading from a checklist, I asked him to leave and not come back. How the hell could he comment on the psychedelic headspace?)
But my friend became paranoid schizophrenic. Turned up at my house telling me he was a resurrected ancient king of Ireland, his girlfriend was the queen, my mum and dad knew about the prophecies, and the people who really run the country were telling him all this.....in his head. It was tragic, I lost my best mate there and then. It was like the lights are on but nobody’s at home.
It was poor coincidence however that his mum had also just died, at 40-something. So I am no longer sure it was the mushrooms and acid, but the death of his mother that triggered the schizophrenia.
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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26429103 - 01/12/20 03:55 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah you're right about the cause/trigger thing.
Only caveat I'd like to add is there seems to be this general misunderstanding about when schizophrenia get triggered and in who.
Schizophrenia and other psychoses can be triggered in ANYONE. Schizophrenics that I've met in clinical practice have come in all different shapes and sizes, and from piecing together who they were before, have come from all different types of people. I've met former mechanics, lawyers, bankers, drug dealers and housewives that have had psychotic breaks of various forms.
We don't quite understand how the triggering works but a common thread seems to be an experience of acute emotional distress.
Sure, some people may reach that breaking point easier than others but everyone has a breaking point.
Unfortunately, in the tripping community, a lot of people seem to repeat this half-truth that psychedelics don't cause psychosis, just can bring it out if you're "predisposed to it". Only problem is technically, we're all "predisposed to it". We're all human after all...
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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: mu5h13]
#26429229 - 01/12/20 07:03 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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mu5h13 said: Yeah you're right about the cause/trigger thing.
Only caveat I'd like to add is there seems to be this general misunderstanding about when schizophrenia get triggered and in who.
Schizophrenia and other psychoses can be triggered in ANYONE. Schizophrenics that I've met in clinical practice have come in all different shapes and sizes, and from piecing together who they were before, have come from all different types of people. I've met former mechanics, lawyers, bankers, drug dealers and housewives that have had psychotic breaks of various forms.
We don't quite understand how the triggering works but a common thread seems to be an experience of acute emotional distress.
Sure, some people may reach that breaking point easier than others but everyone has a breaking point.
Unfortunately, in the tripping community, a lot of people seem to repeat this half-truth that psychedelics don't cause psychosis, just can bring it out if you're "predisposed to it". Only problem is technically, we're all "predisposed to it". We're all human after all...
Fascinating, mu5h13.
I’d like to add something that I read about recently in “David Nutt: Drugs Without The Hot Air”. I’ll do my best to be accurate with this.
One of the various governments’ arguments against legalising cannabis. Basically there is purported to be a link between cannabis use and schizophrenia, and these days with super-strong skunk hitting the streets, the fear is the incidences of schizophrenia will increase.
That is the fear / claim.
But the scientific data does not back this up (funny that govt’s ignore actual data and rely on political slants / moral stances etc against drugs). Rather the scientific data does show a link. From memory, roughly 3% of people who smoke cannabis develop schizophrenia. But mapping this data against the increase in the strength of cannabis has shown: STILL THAT APPROX. 3% OF PEOPLE WHO USE STRONG CANNABIS DEVELOP SCHIZOPHRENIA!
So anyone with the slightest ability in maths will therefore conclude: there is no link between cannabis and schizophrenia. Or to be more accurate, I think it would be better to say that incidences of schizophrenia do not increase with increasing strength of cannabis.
Please don’t all slate me on this; rather, I’d ask you to go and read David Nutt’s book. You will not regret it, but you may be doubly angry about “the war on drugs”, when you’re finished reading!
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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26429234 - 01/12/20 07:09 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hmm made a slight mistake above. David Nutt mapped the incidence of schizophrenia against increasing use of cannabis, not just strong cannabis. So imagine a graph; y-axis is number of users, x-axis is time. So the graph basically starts at the bottom left then steadily increases over the last 20 years. On this he plotted number of schizophrenics. The line was horizontal. Which means as number of cannabis users increased, number of schizophrenics stayed the same, over a twenty year period.
So sorry, there is therefore no scientifically proven link between cannabis use and schizophrenia.
Now young people taking strong cannabis and developing psychosis, well I’m not medically trained, but I believe that is not the same as schizophrenia being caused by cannabis.
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Re: How often can I trip without repercussions? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26429398 - 01/12/20 09:57 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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mu5h13 said: Yeah you're right about the cause/trigger thing.
Only caveat I'd like to add is there seems to be this general misunderstanding about when schizophrenia get triggered and in who.
Schizophrenia and other psychoses can be triggered in ANYONE. Schizophrenics that I've met in clinical practice have come in all different shapes and sizes, and from piecing together who they were before, have come from all different types of people. I've met former mechanics, lawyers, bankers, drug dealers and housewives that have had psychotic breaks of various forms.
We don't quite understand how the triggering works but a common thread seems to be an experience of acute emotional distress.
Sure, some people may reach that breaking point easier than others but everyone has a breaking point.
Unfortunately, in the tripping community, a lot of people seem to repeat this half-truth that psychedelics don't cause psychosis, just can bring it out if you're "predisposed to it". Only problem is technically, we're all "predisposed to it". We're all human after all...
Fascinating, mu5h13.
I’d like to add something that I read about recently in “David Nutt: Drugs Without The Hot Air”. I’ll do my best to be accurate with this.
One of the various governments’ arguments against legalising cannabis. Basically there is purported to be a link between cannabis use and schizophrenia, and these days with super-strong skunk hitting the streets, the fear is the incidences of schizophrenia will increase.
That is the fear / claim.
But the scientific data does not back this up (funny that govt’s ignore actual data and rely on political slants / moral stances etc against drugs). Rather the scientific data does show a link. From memory, roughly 3% of people who smoke cannabis develop schizophrenia. But mapping this data against the increase in the strength of cannabis has shown: STILL THAT APPROX. 3% OF PEOPLE WHO USE STRONG CANNABIS DEVELOP SCHIZOPHRENIA!
So anyone with the slightest ability in maths will therefore conclude: there is no link between cannabis and schizophrenia. Or to be more accurate, I think it would be better to say that incidences of schizophrenia do not increase with increasing strength of cannabis.
Please don’t all slate me on this; rather, I’d ask you to go and read David Nutt’s book. You will not regret it, but you may be doubly angry about “the war on drugs”, when you’re finished reading!
Mush love, DJ Ed
Yeah the proportion of people that develop schizophrenia within society stays the same regardless of cannabis use.
For psychedelics I seem to remember reading that it does in fact increase slightly.
Yeah I'd love to read his book, but I've hated the 'war on drugs' passionately for a while now and more fuel on that fire probably isn't the best idea for me!
Schizophrenia is a very specific type of psychosis and is a permanent one. There are other forms (like schizoid and a variety of different flavours of psychotic episodes) which are temporary - a couple of weeks if lucky and a couple of years if not. Schizophrenia is really rare and cannabis doesn't really alter it (or at least because of the rarity, the numbers used for statistical analyses only return low-power results).
Psychoses, in a broader sense and especially the episodic forms, unfortunately are a LOT more frequent in psychedelic drug users. And, while not permanent, require a long time of work and therapy to undo, which is a shame and an unfortunate result of people being silly with powerful medicines.
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