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Morality is "subjective"
    #26427228 - 01/10/20 08:19 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

Hilarious prospect

My morals are singularly objectively true.
I have always felt this way. I am objectively moral.

Dont ask me how I came to this conclusion, I just want someone to come at me with that philosophy mumbo jumbo proving that morality is somehow subjective.


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Re: Morality is "subjective" [Re: ichugwindex] * 10
    #26427235 - 01/10/20 08:23 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

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My morals are singularly objectively true.
I have always felt this way. I am objectively moral.







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Re: Morality is "subjective" [Re: PatrickKn] * 2
    #26427236 - 01/10/20 08:24 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

Perfect response


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Re: Morality is "subjective" [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #26427253 - 01/10/20 08:37 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

In the context of philosophy can someone break down why morals are "subjective"

Do morals = ego?


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Re: Morality is "subjective" [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #26427275 - 01/10/20 08:57 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

The idea behind morality being subjective is that it's not just about the way you perceive it. One can fault another while maintaining their principles and values. It's about what you hold dear, and what you don't. It could be more tangible ideas like theft of food to support a family, or as extreme as causality itself; how does this effect that. Something that turns even mundane interactions into a moral conflict. Morals and ethics are inherently a group dynamic, that means you respect that peace and prosperity of you don't. If you understand. Prosperity can differ between one fellow and the next. The only fixed variable is the group dynamic and it's needs. There's an entire show based on this and it was called Game of Thrones


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Re: Morality is "subjective" [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #26427293 - 01/10/20 09:18 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

Usually the people that dont align with my morals are trying to justify cheating or murder or stealing. Thus reinforcing the idea that my morals are objective because outside of life or death there is no justifying that behavior


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Only hope can give rise to the emotion we call despair. But it is nearly impossible for a man to try to live without hope, so I guess that leaves Man no choice but to walk around with despair as his companion.


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Re: Morality is "subjective" [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26427299 - 01/10/20 09:29 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

Basic morality is common sense, people who see that as subjective lack it :shrug:


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Re: Morality is "subjective" [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26427321 - 01/10/20 09:54 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

Is a thing pious because it is loved by the gods, or do the gods love it because it is pious?

All just semantic fucking bullshit. Make up your own definition of objective, who gives a fuck, we're all gonna die anyway.


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Re: Morality is "subjective" [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26427327 - 01/10/20 09:58 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

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Basic morality is common sense, people who see that as subjective lack it :shrug:




Common sense is confirmation bias. There’s no reason to believe humans have any genetic understanding of anything remotely abstract.


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Re: Morality is "subjective" [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26427329 - 01/10/20 09:59 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

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Basic morality is common sense, people who see that as subjective lack it :shrug:



Do animals abide by the same concept of morality, or is it just humans? Is it a constant throughout history? Is modern society's perception of common morality the only one that is correct? Were the humans who came before us who abided by a different moral code wrong, and those in the future who may also have a different view on 'basic' morality also wrong? Does just the concept of humans perceiving morality on different scales automatically, by default, make it a subjective concept, whose definition will typically vary individual to individual due to the sheer vagueness of its nature? Yes, so shut up!!


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Re: Morality is "subjective" [Re: ichugwindex] * 1
    #26427330 - 01/10/20 10:01 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

There is no such thing as objective morality.


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Re: Morality is "subjective" [Re: UpSyndrome]
    #26427360 - 01/10/20 10:25 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

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There is no such thing as objective morality.



Except mine.


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Re: Morality is "subjective" [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26427367 - 01/10/20 10:29 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

Right.


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Re: Morality is "subjective" [Re: UpSyndrome]
    #26427371 - 01/10/20 10:32 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

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Right.





Correct


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Re: Morality is "subjective" [Re: PatrickKn]
    #26428304 - 01/11/20 02:57 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

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My morals are singularly objectively true.
I have always felt this way. I am objectively moral.










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Re: Morality is "subjective" [Re: christopera] * 1
    #26428311 - 01/11/20 03:01 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

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Basic morality is common sense, people who see that as subjective lack it :shrug:




Common sense is confirmation bias. There’s no reason to believe humans have any genetic understanding of anything remotely abstract.



As a real response, this is factual. Common sense is an invented concept to make people feel smart or make others feel stupid. Humans are born with less information inbred in them than almost any mammal on earth. Nothing is inherent to us but horniness, hunger, thirst, and avoidance of pain. All others are social constructs


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Re: Morality is "subjective" [Re: bloodsheen]
    #26428322 - 01/11/20 03:07 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

How do you feel about someone killing someone else for no reason?


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Re: Morality is "subjective" [Re: spirit_shadow] * 1
    #26428378 - 01/11/20 03:34 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

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How do you feel about someone killing someone else for no reason?



Define "No reason." As in for sport? Sounds like war to me, if you've ever talked to a real grunt they absolutely find what they do fun. They dont give a single fuck why politicians decided somebody had to die. Those people are heros in society's eyes


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Re: Morality is "subjective" [Re: bloodsheen]
    #26428396 - 01/11/20 03:44 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

No I mean like if you or me walked up to any random person and killed them for no other reason than you wanted to? Is that wrong?


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Re: Morality is "subjective" [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26428481 - 01/11/20 04:34 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

Regardless of if that is moral or not, society can't function in that kind of chaos. It's not amoral to park in a loading zone but if you do it enough times they can take your drivers license and garnish your wages. If people parked wherever they pleased at all times society would screech to a halt.

Same with murder. But every society has had a different set of standards in regards to killing. Not long ago it was legal to duel in the streets, putting innocents bystanders in danger and causing general chaos.

Besides, nobody does something for no reason


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