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Cauliflower-like growth in monotub
#26426474 - 01/10/20 12:54 PM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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Hi everyone,
I have been following Bod's tek and spawned my oats to coir 6 days ago. The tubs looks almost fully colonised. There is a lot of aerial growth and some concerning masses that look almost like cauliflower. From what I have read,this could be symptomatic of bacterial infection. I have also read that this could just be tomentose growth. Can anybody shed light on this? I have seen many examples of similar situations, but rarely any final results posted in the same thread.
Any help is much appreciated. Below are some pictures of the tubs, with some focussing on the large cauliflower-like structures.
Thanks in advance.
TUB1

TUB2

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AERIAL GROWTH

CAULIFLOWER

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Re: Cauliflower-like growth in monotub [Re: MChem]
#26426485 - 01/10/20 12:58 PM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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That looks bacterial to me. Let the tub fruit and do its thing. My guess is that you'll get some mushrooms but just not as good of a yield as you normally would.
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Re: Cauliflower-like growth in monotub [Re: BLINKfan420]
#26426493 - 01/10/20 01:02 PM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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My very first grow was like that, and it turned into the top pic in my sig of Mazatapec. It’s crazy all yours have the same thing.
With mine I eased off on misting and the surface kind of turned blue green and dried up, then all of a sudden fresh healthy myc popped up all over and then tons of pins.
Hopefully yours do the same.
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Re: Cauliflower-like growth in monotub [Re: BLINKfan420]
#26426495 - 01/10/20 01:03 PM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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Looks like overlay tbh.
What are you doing for FAE and how often do you mist?
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Re: Cauliflower-like growth in monotub [Re: feldman114]
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its fine.
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Err that looks fine to you?
Looks like you’re giving your shrooms a bath.
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Re: Cauliflower-like growth in monotub [Re: feldman114]
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Yeah they all turned out fine. A few rare people have this happen, I suspect genetics from a popular spore supplier
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Huh, well fuck me.
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Re: Cauliflower-like growth in monotub [Re: feldman114]
#26426602 - 01/10/20 01:49 PM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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Hey,
Thanks for the response. I have the lids on upside down, I fan with the lid twice a day and have a fan circulating air in the room. I mist when the water droplets on the surface are depleted. I am using coco without a casing. Anything to suggest that might help my chances of getting a decent flush from this?
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Hi,
Thanks for the prompt reply. Well, that's pretty encouraging!! I will let you know how it develops. With a bit of luck I'll produce something similar to your picture.
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Re: Cauliflower-like growth in monotub [Re: MChem]
#26426614 - 01/10/20 01:54 PM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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Hey op and natural what variety are yours?
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MChem said: Hey,
Thanks for the response. I have the lids on upside down, I fan with the lid twice a day and have a fan circulating air in the room. I mist when the water droplets on the surface are depleted. I am using coco without a casing. Anything to suggest that might help my chances of getting a decent flush from this?
Thanks
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Yeah they all turned out fine. A few rare people have this happen, I suspect genetics from a popular spore supplier
I’d say you’ll be ok as is
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Re: Cauliflower-like growth in monotub [Re: A.k.a]
#26426635 - 01/10/20 02:10 PM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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These are golden teachers from MS. I only made 2 transfers on agar.
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Re: Cauliflower-like growth in monotub [Re: MChem]
#26426654 - 01/10/20 02:19 PM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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So I purchased a four pack of varieties when I first started, ended up getting them all mixed up. I have renamed the spores from this variety as "overlay spores" in my collection, and i've replicated this over about 3-4 times.
Edit - to varying degrees I should say. The picture I posted was one of the most prominent; others are a bit more spotty with the fluffy stuff. However none of the other varieties do this
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Well, thanks for the peace of mind! Did you ever happen to notice any yellow discolouration of the mycelium? The surface of some of the larger masses in my tubs seem to have a faint yellow taint.
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Re: Cauliflower-like growth in monotub [Re: MChem]
#26428713 - 01/11/20 07:42 PM (4 years, 18 days ago) |
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Sorry to jump in on y’all convo, the yellow is sign of healthy metabolism. All you need to you is recase that. Like 1/4 inch worth. Scratch the surface with a fork. Then leave it alone.
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It needs more O2
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Re: Cauliflower-like growth in monotub [Re: MChem]
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Sorry to jump in on y’all convo, the yellow is sign of healthy metabolism. All you need to you is recase that. Like 1/4 inch worth. Scratch the surface with a fork. Then leave it alone.
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Yellow is not a healthy sign. Yellow could be myc fighting off bacteria, myc stress. Please do not offer a BS response. Shit, let's all go for yellow tubs. Don't respond, if you don't have any clue. Recase? Just keep adding layers? Lol.
At this point, let her role,that's all you can do. Don't toss this early in the game. However, most likely a bacterial spot,see how she does, 2-5 days will tell the story.
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Re: Cauliflower-like growth in monotub [Re: Tstone]
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Yes, fighting off bacteria, A SIGN OF A HEALTHY IMMUNE SYSTEM JUST LIKE WHEN YOU TAKE A PISS AND ITS YELLOW. are you sick when your piss is yellow?
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Exudate is a sign of HEALTHY IMMUNOLOGICAL RESPONSE. Study your mycology sir.
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Dude, you shouldn't have yellow in a tub, case closed. We strive for white. But your right, it's fighting something off, something that should not be in there to begin with. A perfectly healthy tub is not yellow! Or even spots...
Personally, keep on eye on that tub, definitely don't like the blobs, not trich, but some form of bacterial infection.
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Re: Cauliflower-like growth in monotub [Re: Tstone]
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Shouldn’t have yellow in a tub; your piss shouldn’t be yellow either, but how often is it? This man has 100% healthy and functioning immunological responses. It needs to be disturbed, then cased with 1/4 inch soil at full gravity field capacity. Water the sides to allow it to drip down underneath and evaporate and cycle like that for about a week. Leave it closed and in the dark until pins form, then crack the lid.
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My thing is; this man should be commended on how far he’s gotten with beautiful myc. He just hadn’t honed the last process.
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Dude, you have no idea. You don't water the fuckin sides, should be at field capicity from the start. Monos don't even to be opened until harvesting the first flush. Not even gonna argue with a newbie.
Why water, he's not dry. Trust me OP, this guy has no clue.
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Re: Cauliflower-like growth in monotub [Re: Tstone]
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Re: Cauliflower-like growth in monotub [Re: RhYzo]
#26428893 - 01/11/20 10:28 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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Yeah, the scratching bit is wrong as well. If you do have a bacterial issue, scratching will just spread it. “Deep scratching” is proven bs anyways.
Also, urine being yellow is caused by completely different factors than the yellowing of mycelium. “Mycelium piss” is not a real thing.
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Well, Ive got some shoeboxes doing that to me right now. Even some of the cauliflower is turning grey.
Im gonna scratch it and put some cvg on it and we'll just see if healthy piss really is yellow.
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Re: Cauliflower-like growth in monotub [Re: JohnRainy]
#26429077 - 01/12/20 02:49 AM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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Hey,
Thanks for the response. There is a huge thread dedicated to this issue: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25285598
The work documented by Bod in the above thread sheds a lot of light on this situation. He begins by stating that these blobs are typically identified as mycogone perniciosa (wet bubble). He then performs microscopic analysis on the cauliflower-like material and also the yellow metabolite liquid. He finds no evidence of infection, only dense mycelium. It seems that some are skeptical and believe it is infected, however they have no hard evidence. You might be pleased to know that Bod and many others have obtained good yields from similar situations.
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Re: Cauliflower-like growth in monotub [Re: Tstone]
#26429080 - 01/12/20 02:56 AM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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Hey,
Thanks for your input Check out the thread I linked to in my previous post, which is a detailed investigation of this type of situation (Bod believes this is not a case of infection, according to his microscopic analysis). Regarding a strategy going forward, am siding with you and bod on this one: I am going to avoid scratching/casing and will closely monitor the tub's condition. I will continue to update this post over the coming days/weeks.
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Hey,
Appreciate the input, thanks. If you're interested in the issue I appear to have, check this out: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25285598
Some members advise to scratch and recase in this thread, but I've already decided to leave the tub to its own devices and monitor it carefully, as per bod's advice. Just wondering, have you ever had this issue yourself? If so, did the scratching/recasing strategy prove effective?
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Re: Cauliflower-like growth in monotub [Re: MChem]
#26429192 - 01/12/20 06:35 AM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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Hi everyone,
I have an update on the tubs. Over the past 24-48 hours I have noticed a blue/green colouration developing on the mycelium. I am not sure whether this is trich or bruising. I also have 3 pins in one tub, 0 in the others. See pics below for examples. Any opinions on whether this is trich or not?
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And the first 3 pins...
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Re: Cauliflower-like growth in monotub [Re: A.k.a]
#26429209 - 01/12/20 06:45 AM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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My surface just turned blue/green, check the previous post for pics. Was this similar to yours?
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Re: Cauliflower-like growth in monotub [Re: MChem]
#26429366 - 01/12/20 09:33 AM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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Do not fork up your tub. Or read decade old threads.
Your fine, this is what happened to mine like I said earlier. The surface bruised up and dried out and then healthy myc grew out of it and pinned immediately.
Hopefully you’re on the same track.
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Re: Cauliflower-like growth in monotub [Re: A.k.a]
#26430051 - 01/12/20 05:18 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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I've had these myc bubbles before as well, sometimes oozing yellow metabolites. Back then everyone assured me they were mycogone bacteria so I went to great lengths to clean up the cultures but it never stopped happening until I started from different spores, which led me to think it may be genetic. Nonetheless, it didn't seem to make much difference in my yields either way. Best of luck
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Re: Cauliflower-like growth in monotub [Re: Digit]
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Yes. I am a newbie. People so eager in life to flex nuts. The guy asked for info and everyone wants to shoot each other down. I guess I learned nothing. I guess I know nothing. I guess your methods are better. I guess you are better. Please keep telling each other how wrong we all are instead of focusing. Exudate is not real. Water is not real. Bacteria is not real. People are funny.
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And I have read no threads telling me what I need to do on this site. I don’t do as I’m told. Keep being moulded people.
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Cultivation369 said: Yes. I am a newbie. People so eager in life to flex nuts. The guy asked for info and everyone wants to shoot each other down. I guess I learned nothing. I guess I know nothing. I guess your methods are better. I guess you are better. Please keep telling each other how wrong we all are instead of focusing. Exudate is not real. Water is not real. Bacteria is not real. People are funny.
Err did you even read your own thread?
You received a perfect answer to a suuuper specific question. A.k.a. even posted about his own “cauliflower” tub.
The ungrateful noob syndrome is real...
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Cultivation369 said: And I have read no threads telling me what I need to do on this site. I don’t do as I’m told. Keep being moulded people.
Sooo you don’t do as you’re told? Or do you not listen to what you’re told in the first place.
Either way, good luck ever learning anything with that attitude
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Re: Cauliflower-like growth in monotub [Re: feldman114]
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depends how yellow
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Re: Cauliflower-like growth in monotub [Re: trubblesome]
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Learning by doing what others tell me to do, as opposed to doing from personal experience. Everyone’s experience is difference. Just because one person has a way of doing, doesn’t mean that everyone should bow down, listen perhaps; though not follow. I gave the man my experience. And I was shot down. So be it. I’m glad that it helps others feel better to say that if you don’t do it their way, they’re.... whatever.
Intellectual greed, envy and oppression. And I guess not, I guess I will learn nothing because I like to learn from experience instead of being an intellectual slave to the idea of others. I actually haven’t read any posts from here telling me what I HAVE TO DO. I made a lot of fucking mistakes and I learned from them. I tried to share it, if that’s a problem, then I guess it’s your problem.
I don’t see how so many people here have made it so far, but learned so little of the internal lessons that these sentient beings are teaching us.
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Cultivation369 said: Learning by doing what others tell me to do, as opposed to doing from personal experience. Everyone’s experience is difference. Just because one person has a way of doing, doesn’t mean that everyone should bow down, listen perhaps; though not follow. I gave the man my experience. And I was shot down. So be it. I’m glad that it helps others feel better to say that if you don’t do it their way, they’re.... whatever.
Intellectual greed, envy and oppression. And I guess not, I guess I will learn nothing because I like to learn from experience instead of being an intellectual slave to the idea of others. I actually haven’t read any posts from here telling me what I HAVE TO DO. I made a lot of fucking mistakes and I learned from them. I tried to share it, if that’s a problem, then I guess it’s your problem.
I don’t see how so many people here have made it so far, but learned so little of the internal lessons that these sentient beings are teaching us.
Mkay, so sounds like you’ve been reaping your harvest pretty heavily...
Think about the number of people who tried their own thing on this site. It’s in the thousands. How do you think Teks come to exist? It’s all trial and error. Always been that way.
You think you’re smart for paving your own road. But you’re not. You’re just following in the footsteps of THOUSANDS of cocky noobs that came before you.
People here have no alterior motive. We just wanna help you succeed in this hobby.
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Re: Cauliflower-like growth in monotub [Re: feldman114]
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Lol did I say for one not to learn from others? You people are so obsessed with your selves. Reaping my harvest. Yeah. That’s it. You reap what you sow. So keep sowing guys 🥜🏴☠️
Again, I told the guy a method that may help. And again, what do I know?
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Re: Cauliflower-like growth in monotub [Re: feldman114]
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and you know, people can read your previous post and comment right? Lol joke dude. Joke.
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Back to back multiposting, attitude, argument, sinicism, passive aggressiveness... Take that shit back to Facebook groups, that's all it's good for. None of us know everything, but I guarantee most ppl here just want to see others succeed. Sucks being shot down but being wrong is an opportunity to become better. Believe me there's a lot of old practices that are outdated info. Don't take it personal. The tree that does not bend breaks. Stay teachable.
Best of luck op. Oh and I thought mycogone was just slang for substrate that's doomed. That's interesting that it's actually a thing. Gotta go look that up. Never had it, hope I don't.
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Pastywhyte said: It is bacteria. The "mycelium" is not seperate strands, its shiny rigid linear bacteria. That is not something that is new info. Aerial mycelium is still in strands, not fused.
Poor FAE looks like this

Here is what the OP has. Excuse the RR quote.
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thetawave said: Still lots of growth in aerial mycelium, no pins...

That's contaminated with bacteria. If it were aerial mycelium, the strands would be individual, not all bundled up and shiny like that.
In the future, don't keep things so wet. Don't mist as soon as the sides of the terrarium dry out. The holes cause the sides and roof to dry out long before the cakes do. You got things too wet, and then kept them that way. I'd bury those in a shady spot outside in some well manured soil and hope for the best. RR
See the difference?
Granted the OP's tub is not that bad. But there is still bacteria in there. I imagine he will see a few flushes and get some fruits. But why not teach people how to do things better. Bacteria in spawn is a mold vector. Lets improve ourselves.
Just going to leave this here.. and look at the bolded part.. bacteria doesn't just stop fruit production, it's the first step to mold hitting, and is in pretty much every grow that's successful before mold hits. Still though, it's always nice to know what it looks like. There's a difference between aerial myc and bacteria fingers.
Also fwiw, a SGFC has hundreds of holes providing passive Fae, it's been proven to work for well over a decade, and replaced PMP as the main chamber well over a decade ago.
well this took me all of 5 min to find using the search engine looks identical to ops bacterial issue wich was stated from the very start. i dont get why ppl get butt hurt when they dont like the answer they are givin and then basicly say well your wrong and im right. so then why ask in the first place. id suggest using the search engine more than 2 min next time cuz chances are somebody has already answerd your question. cuz your not special and this aint the first time shits happend ✌️
i just wanted to add op was not who i was saying was butt hurt and that all i meant was arguing over stupid shit is pointless and that if you dont like someones reply/post to maybe research a bit b4 bein a dick and jumpin all over someones thread was all. i hope this clears up any confusion and i am sorry to op if he thought i was directing that to him. it was brought to my attn in a pm that it was a lil confusing what i meant so i hope this clears that up for ya👍😃
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Re: Cauliflower-like growth in monotub [Re: spiritlands]
#26451872 - 01/25/20 01:18 PM (4 years, 4 days ago) |
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Have you read anything I said? Why are so many people on this site, that obviously have a bit of skill so arrogant ? I was complimenting the man. And I’m burned at the stake for saying anything outside what you all believe. Everything I have learned has been from the greats, but that doesn’t mean everything is doctrine in this art/ hobby. Please further elaborate everyone on what I have done wrong as to offend or off put anyone. Because I thought I was helping. I guess I’m beneath all your stature. How dare I. Also, please tell my what blobs come from. I thought I had an idea, please elaborate; you all have so much I want to learn; please share. And sorry for exercising a right that makes this place-the internet- so great, free speech. Please, list what I need to do differently to please you.
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u rip us than ask for our help?? lol u got nerve il give u that---- but thats it so u can take that kind of attitude to redit where it belongs. cuz after that lil outburst i doubt anyone here will help u at all now good luck to ya
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Re: Cauliflower-like growth in monotub [Re: jcm4620]
#26451959 - 01/25/20 01:59 PM (4 years, 4 days ago) |
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It’s everybody else that’s the problem, definitely not you.
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Re: Cauliflower-like growth in monotub [Re: feldman114]
#26452531 - 01/25/20 08:04 PM (4 years, 4 days ago) |
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lmao
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