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Re: As above so below What does it mean to YOU [Re: r00tcmplx] * 1
    #26417446 - 01/05/20 11:52 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Ok see the less aware less focused i get!! ill be the 1st to admit i was a dickbag with self destructive behavior and hurt others around me without caring much...Doesnt mean i DIDNT have a soul or wasnt a soul. i just didnt even care to think about it. That i get!.

Some here know i was a heroin addict for 10 years! I now have been on methadone for 10 years with no heroin (trying to taper off methadone now) at first i was dead sober and my addictive ways didnt change i just found something semi productive to use my addiction with. i had played with lsd a lil and mdma in my youth. but never used it as medicine. I was still content on being on methadone the rest of my life. When i did get involved with psychs again things changed at first it was just exploring and i started to notice changes as far as treating other life right...1 example sounds stupid but i was proud of it. Instead of just smushing a bug i found in the house i felt for it and decided to put it out the window. I actually thought about not killing something that alot of people would say didnt matter. like i said sounds stupid but i was proud of that!

Problem was i started to let my addiction get the best of me again and used psychs way to much and for the wrong reasons. It actually took me breaking myself and going into the most evil psychosis ever ( i wont even put into words what the voice in my head was telling me i was going to do) it was bad! real bad. I was completely broken and felt the "psychedelic spirits" taught me so much that i wasnt listening to as i got distracted because of addiction. I felt they had given up on me and i almost gave up on myself. I am doing much better now but the psychosis is still fresh in the mind.

Anyway it took complete brokenness for me to realize i had to go back to my original intent with these things to learn. The first changes that occured where i cared about other things (like that bug) BUT not myself. Being that broken let me tell you it makes you care about YOU! I am amazed i made it through it. And now i know that the spirit didnt give up on me! I will say that "psychedelic honeymoon" is over it probilly lasted way to long! So now learning to love myself just as much as everything else. And that includes taking a break from things! So now trying to put all the lessons into action.

Anyway so far i have been going at this alone. everyone around my area is still a heroin addict so no people to share with or talk to about this. So that is why i wanted to start this discussion. To talk though ideas see what others think. But again what i have learned through psychedelic experience is so special. Getting to what was for me the core truth was absolutely AMAZING and i am so happy no one gave away the secret! Experiencing that secret for yourself is quite possibly the best experience of my life!


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Re: As above so below What does it mean to YOU [Re: dbreeze] * 1
    #26417472 - 01/05/20 12:20 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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dbreeze said:
Ok see the less aware less focused i get!! ill be the 1st to admit i was a dickbag with self destructive behavior and hurt others around me without caring much...Doesnt mean i DIDNT have a soul or wasnt a soul. i just didnt even care to think about it. That i get!.

Some here know i was a heroin addict for 10 years! I now have been on methadone for 10 years with no heroin (trying to taper off methadone now) at first i was dead sober and my addictive ways didnt change i just found something semi productive to use my addiction with. i had played with lsd a lil and mdma in my youth. but never used it as medicine. I was still content on being on methadone the rest of my life. When i did get involved with psychs again things changed at first it was just exploring and i started to notice changes as far as treating other life right...1 example sounds stupid but i was proud of it. Instead of just smushing a bug i found in the house i felt for it and decided to put it out the window. I actually thought about not killing something that alot of people would say didnt matter. like i said sounds stupid but i was proud of that!

Problem was i started to let my addiction get the best of me again and used psychs way to much and for the wrong reasons. It actually took me breaking myself and going into the most evil psychosis ever ( i wont even put into words what the voice in my head was telling me i was going to do) it was bad! real bad. I was completely broken and felt the "psychedelic spirits" taught me so much that i wasnt listening to as i got distracted because of addiction. I felt they had given up on me and i almost gave up on myself. I am doing much better now but the psychosis is still fresh in the mind.

Anyway it took complete brokenness for me to realize i had to go back to my original intent with these things to learn. The first changes that occured where i cared about other things (like that bug) BUT not myself. Being that broken let me tell you it makes you care about YOU! I am amazed i made it through it. And now i know that the spirit didnt give up on me! I will say that "psychedelic honeymoon" is over it probilly lasted way to long! So now learning to love myself just as much as everything else. And that includes taking a break from things! So now trying to put all the lessons into action.

Anyway so far i have been going at this alone. everyone around my area is still a heroin addict so no people to share with or talk to about this. So that is why i wanted to start this discussion. To talk though ideas see what others think. But again what i have learned through psychedelic experience is so special. Getting to what was for me the core truth was absolutely AMAZING and i am so happy no one gave away the secret! Experiencing that secret for yourself is quite possibly the best experience of my life!




Happy to hear you're on a better road.
'Awareness' is the choice word I focused on. I don't like using wildly misunderstood abstractions or to go deeper than what needs to be. Drugs all work the same fundamental way in different degrees and towards different targets. Ultimately they alter one's running state. People have lots of stuff tucked away in their brain, when you take certain substances it brings it out. You also have many autonomous biological systems that will respond to these changes and thus render different realities. Is what it is and perfectly grounded in explainable science. There you are at the seat of it most times. One person's experience isn't another's. One person's chemical balance isn't another's. One person's response and experience isn't another's... And ultimately, it is short lived Which is why one should seek things and still has to in their natural sober life to achieve anything of longer lasting value. A dickbag getting his ass beat is equivalent many times to taking such a powerful drug. Life doles out many lessons along certain paths.

Good thread thus far. It's a long journey towards understanding, you have some good bearings so far. Keep putting in the hard work and dedicating time to things that matter. Awareness is a good thing. It allows you to take in more with less effort. It's a skill that requires cultivation and practice and opens one to a whole new world.


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Re: As above so below What does it mean to YOU [Re: dbreeze]
    #26418580 - 01/05/20 11:26 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I mean, it was probably originally a recognition of seasons and astrological calendars.


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Re: As above so below What does it mean to YOU [Re: blewmeanie]
    #26418735 - 01/06/20 04:38 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yeh for me its time to "mesh" what i learned into my time outside the space. I guess thats called integration i forgot that part for a little while :rofl: for me its just about being productive and having variety in my life. Wether good or bad i seem to get sucked very deep into something then move on and go into something else. When i do that what ever i am involved in i drop everything else. So learning to handle multiple parts of life at the same time is rough for me

curious what you guys think....are there different soul groups? even if there are they would still be incorperated into the all. But do you think there are different types of souls or souls from different places that all agree to incarnate human? Or is it all just one?

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I mean, it was probably originally a recognition of seasons and astrological calendars.




Personally i think this is part of it. Yes it obvious that things above us are in a certain place when certain seasons happen here. But i think it goes a little farther that that. In my opinion the universe seems to dance as one everything has multiple meanings


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Re: As above so below What does it mean to YOU [Re: dbreeze]
    #26420527 - 01/07/20 08:02 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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The Hermetic principles, which are based on African knowledge (Egyptian Tehuti became Hermes/ Thoth), and found their way to Europe through the library of Alexandria, state that what is above, is the same as what is below, and that there is self-similarity through all levels of nature, meaning, if something can be observed on micro level (e.g. a light wave), it can also be observed on bigger scales. In the Kybalion, this is called the principle of correspondence, in Egypt this was one of the laws of Tehuti.




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Re: As above so below What does it mean to YOU [Re: ChRnZN]
    #26424394 - 01/09/20 11:01 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

As above so below:

"Our father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done,
On earth, as it is in Heaven.
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- Matthew 6:10

Essentially, everything happening on earth is going on in the heavenly kingdom.  Just as there are people down here rebelling against their Creator, there are legions of angels in heaven rebelling as well... and for the same reason... we want to be like God ourselves instead of being under His authority.

'As Above So Below' generally speaks to the fractal nature of reality.  The same pattern is repeating at micro and macro scales, like the branching of a tree.

This fractal nature is demonstrated wonderfully throughout the entire Holy Bible.  The same story pattern is repeating over and over again at all different scales.


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Re: As above so below What does it mean to YOU [Re: kneesocks] * 1
    #26425884 - 01/10/20 03:13 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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No eternal hell/heaven paradise. Rather, a long journey of 'enlightenment' through activity and progress on earth. Indeed, there is likely a state in which you transcend life/death but no one has the right capture of what this is like.


Hell and heaven certainly aren't eternal states. Heaven seems more like a joyful waiting area for rebirth, and hell as a painful purging in preparation for rebirth.

As for the ones who have transcended the cycle of death and rebirth, only the ascended know. It seems there are only a few handfuls of souls who have achieved this.

From what Buddha said, human birth is quite rare. It seems that the body we're born into is the reaping of what we've sown from past lives, with karma potentially acting as a sort of currency for this body selection process.

Human birth is considered very special because of the intelligence and free will of humans, which strongly enhances karma for better or worse. Karma depends on one's actions, and one's actions are influenced by one's motivations.




The using up of karmas in the hell realm are not the same as the second death in the last judgment as in the christian religion. The Buddha also speaks of a very similar thing in his sermon of the seven suns, the lower realms and those in them are burnt away by a fire (same terminology as abrahamic religions) that consumes the lower worlds and only those who have "seen the path" are saved.

Both Buddhism and the Abrahamic religions talk of an annihilation for the beasties and sinners. Islam in particular talks very explicitly about it being a permanent sleep. Hinduism is apparently at odds with this in claiming that all will make it in the end.

Personally I don't really know what to make of it, but that's how the claims appear to stand to me.


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Re: As above so below What does it mean to YOU [Re: saved7]
    #26425895 - 01/10/20 03:22 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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As above so below:

"Our father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done,
On earth, as it is in Heaven.
"

- Matthew 6:10

Essentially, everything happening on earth is going on in the heavenly kingdom.  Just as there are people down here rebelling against their Creator, there are legions of angels in heaven rebelling as well... and for the same reason... we want to be like God ourselves instead of being under His authority.

'As Above So Below' generally speaks to the fractal nature of reality.  The same pattern is repeating at micro and macro scales, like the branching of a tree.

This fractal nature is demonstrated wonderfully throughout the entire Holy Bible.  The same story pattern is repeating over and over again at all different scales.




You might be correct in terms of what that phrase means but the phrase Heaven has a dual meaning in christianity. It can mean higher realms but it also refers to the highest realm, taking on the same meaning as Nirvana or Moksha. I believe that this is what the term refers to here and there can supposedly be no falling from that realm as at that point the will of god is all that remains, one is entirely centered in self.

It's questionably how useful all this old religious philosophy is in the modern age though. And following it doesn't seem to have brought about any golden age so far but mostly just more confusion and delusion.


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Re: As above so below What does it mean to YOU [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26426155 - 01/10/20 08:19 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Grapefruit said:It's questionably how useful all this old religious philosophy is in the modern age though.




There is nothing new under the sun.  We're on the same spiritual battleground as ancient man.

If anything, the modern age is one of the darkest in all of history. 

Where is the truth today?  We run screaming from it whenever it appears.  We scurry into our dark holes to consume our lusts, hissing at the one who reflected light at us.

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Grapefruit said:And following it doesn't seem to have brought about any golden age so far but mostly just more confusion and delusion.




This world is destined for total destruction.  The earth will melt away as a body on a burnt altar.

In the Holy Bible, you can see pictures of the end of the world in various judgments upon ancient cities and nations, including Israel herself.

As Above So Below. 

In the Old Testament Book of Joshua, you can see a fractal image of the end of the world, where the world is represented by the city Jericho.  The Israelites circling the city walls 7 days before Jericho's utter destruction, echoing the 7 seals, vials, and trumpet blasts in the Book of Revelation. 

Of course, since this is a fractal pattern, the image of Salvation is included.  Before Jericho is destroyed, the house of Rahab is marked by a "Scarlet cord" (which is a symbol of the blood of the Lamb, blood of Jesus).. and everyone found in that house is spared from destruction.

Just as, in the end, the greater Jericho (the whole world itself), will be laid to waste...

... and it is only those people who surrendered to God and hid themselves in the body and under the scarlet blood of Jesus Christ who will be saved from the fire.


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Re: As above so below What does it mean to YOU [Re: saved7]
    #26426298 - 01/10/20 10:34 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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If anything, the modern age is one of the darkest in all of history.

Where is the truth today?  We run screaming from it whenever it appears.  We scurry into our dark holes to consume our lusts, hissing at the one who reflected light at us.





That's really my point. If this is where following all that leads then how much value can it really have? People were obsessed by living by it for centuries. Of course the holy men will say it's because we didn't follow it properly or something but I remain unconvinced.


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Re: As above so below What does it mean to YOU [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26428095 - 01/11/20 01:17 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

What about god making us? did he make us from something seperate from him to rule over? Like some ideas of a god sitting on a throne ruling over his kingdom? OR Did he make us from him. Are we part of him. Like the universe itself being alive and god being the ultimate conscious being knowing all. And everything else is part of him and is conscious on thier own level. just as we have different parts of our body are we included in god or seperate but connected to everything but the creator?


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